Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-11-16

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 16 Noembrioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Ayrio, stis 10 to prwi, opws gnwrizete, o Prwqypoyrgos, epikefalhs ths ellhnikhs antiproswpeias, anaxwrei gia thn Kwnstantinoypolh. Prin thn anaxwrhsh toy, sto aerodromio, qa probei se sxetikes dhlwseis gia to periexomeno ths Synodoy toy OASE, sthn Kwnstantinoypolh. Kata thn paramonh toy sthn Kwnstantinoypolh, qa exei synanthseis me hgetes allwn xwrwn, opws anakoinwsa, xqes.

Sygkekrimena, mporw na anaferw endeiktika tis synanthseis poy exoyn kaqoristei:

Me ton Prwqypoyrgo toy Loyjemboyrgoy k. Gioynker, ths Soyhdias k. Person, toy Belgioy k. Berxofstant, ths Danias k. Rasmoysen kai bebaiws ton k. Etzebit. Epishs qa synanthqei kai me alloys hgetes, opws ths Germanias, ths Ollandias, to Rwso prwqypoyrgo, alla den exoyn kaqoristei akribws ola ta ranteboy, gi ayto den mpainw se perissoteres leptomereies.

Thn Pempth, meta th lhjh ths apogeymatinhs synedriashs, poy problepetai na ginei gyrw stis 5 to apogeyma, o Prwqypoyrgos qa paraxwrhsei synenteyjh stoys dhmosiografoys poy qa parakoloyqhsoyn th Synodo. Thn Paraskeyh, meta th lhjh ths Synodoy, h opoia ypologizetai stis 12.30 to meshmeri, qa paraxwrhqei h kaqierwmenh synenteyjh Typoy.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Yphrje pote h skech na epistrecei o k. Shmiths me ton k. Klinton apo thn Kwnstantinoypolh;

REPPAS: Den teqhke pote tetoio qema.

MIXAHL: H synanthsh me ton k. Etsebit qa einai xwris atzenta;

REPPAS: Einai synanthsh h opoia ginetai sto periqwrio ayths ths Synodoy. Den exoyn prosdioristei qemata. To periexomeno ths syzhthshs qa to prosdiorisoyn oi dyo hgetes, kata th synanthsh toys. Qa syzhthsoyn qemata koinoy endiaferontos, qemata ths epikairothtas, qemata poy exoyn sxesh me to paron kai to mellon twn ellhnotoyrkikwn sxesewn.

MIXAHL: Dhladh, den exei ginei proetoimasia atzentas;

REPPAS: Einai gnwsta ta qemata poy apasxoloyn toys dyo hgetes. Einai ta qemata poy aforoyn thn Ellada kai thn Toyrkia.

MIXAHL: Einai teleiws diaforetiko na syzhthsoyn dyo anqrwpoi panw se mia sygkekrimenh atzenta kai teleiws diaforetiko pragma na syzhthsoyn dyo anqrwpoi, xwris kamia qematologia kai o kaqenas oti krinei...

REPPAS: Den einai epishmh episkech toy Ellhna Prwqypoyrgoy sthn Toyrkia. Einai symmetoxh toy se mia dieqnh diaskech. Sto plaisio ayths ths dieqnoys diaskechs qa ginoyn synanthseis hgetwn, se dimeres epipedo. Mia tetoia synanthsh qa einai ayth metajy toy k. Shmith kai toy k. Etsebit, opoy qa syzhthsoyn qemata koinoy endiaferontos kai qemata poy aforoyn tis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis. Ayto ta leei ola.

MIXAHL: As fygoyme apo th diadikasia kai as elqoyme sthn oysia. Yparxei endexomeno, to skeftetai h kybernhsh, na yparjei kapoia koinh dhlwsh twn dyo Prwqypoyrgwn, meta to telos twn syzhthsewn;

REPPAS: Gnwrizw oti meta tis synanthseis, opws allwste synhqizetai, qa ginoyn sxetikes dhlwseis. To idio qa ginei kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh.

MIXAHL: Dhladh, h periptwsh na yparxei ena anakoinwqen typoy "Madriths" ennow symfwnhmeno keimeno poy na ekfrazei kai tis dyo pleyres, lete oti den prokeitai na yparjei;

REPPAS: Den exei ginei opoiadhpote ergasia pros ayth thn kateyqynsh.

MPEKAS: H trimerhs synanthsh exei apokleistei;

REPPAS: Den exei teqei tetoio qema. Mexri ayth thn wra poy syzhtoyme oydeis eqese tetoio qema.

FILHS: Se allo qema. Qa hqela na rwthsw an yparxei kapoia telikh stash, sxetika me thn poreia sto Polytexneio poy exei ejaggelqei apo tis politikes omades neolaias, symperilambanomenhs kai ths Neolaias PASOK, thn Paraskeyh poy episkeptetai o k. Klinton thn Aqhna. Qa epitrapei na paei h poreia sthn amerikanikh presbeia;

REPPAS: Eipame kat` epanalhch oti qa lhfqoyn ola ta metra prokeimenoy h episkech ayth na diejaxqei me ton pleon omalo tropo. Bebaiws, qa exoyn th dynatothta oi Ellhnes diadhlwtes na ekfrasoyn tis apoceis toys me eirhniko kai nomimo tropo. Kai bebaiws, oi armodies yphresies qa laboyn ola ta endeiknyomena metra, prokeimenoy na mh dhmioyrghqei to paramikro problhma sto plaisio ths episkechs toy k. Klinton.

FILHS: Einai qema yphresiwn h kybernhtikhs boylhshs;

REPPAS: Panta oi yphresies pairnoyn ta metra sto plaisio toy Syntagmatos kai twn nomwn. H kybernhsh exei ekfrasmenh th boylhsh ths, na epitrecei stoys diadhlwtes na ekfrasoyn to fronhma toys, alla na diasfalisei apo thn allh, prostateyontas kai perifroyrwntas etsi to kyros ths xwras, otidhpote exei sxesh me thn episkech toy Amerikanoy Proedroy sthn Ellada.

FILHS: Treis meres prin apo thn episkech to programma einai gnwsto sthn kybernhsh, fantazomai. Qa epitrecei h oxi thn poreia;

REPPAS: Apanthsa se ayto. Oi armodies yphresies, kaqe mia analogws twn kaqhkontwn ths, lambanoyn ta endeiknyomena metra prokeimenoy ola na kylhsoyn omala.

FILHS: H xqesinh dhlwsh toy k. Giannopoyloy poy qymizei ton tropo me ton opoio apagoreyontai oi diadhlwseis kai dialyontai oi poreies einai sto plaisio ths apanthshs poy dwsate nwritera;

REPPAS: O k. Giannopoylos milhse gia to agaqo ths dhmosias asfaleias kai poly swsta, ws nomikos -kai peran ths idiothtas poy exei ws ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs, ws politiko, kybernhtiko stelexos- exei milhsei gia thn ajia aytoy toy agaqoy, to opoio prepei na perifroyrhqei, giati afora kai tis dimereis sxeseis, thn ejwterikh politikh ths xwras.

FILHS: O k. Prwqypoyrgos fetos qa kataqesei stefani sto Polytexneio;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos anaxwrei ayrio to prwi, prokeimenoy na ekproswphsei thn Ellada sthn poly shmantikh Synodo poy qa diejaxqei sthn Kwnstantinoypolh. O Prwqypoyrgos qa brisketai gia sygkekrimeno eqniko logo ektos Elladas, apo ayrio to prwi.

FILHS: Einai trihmeros o eortasmos apo oti jerw.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti pantote se aytes tis periptwseis ta kommata kai h kybernhsh dia ekproswpwn ths apoteioyn to foro timhs pros to Polytexneio. Ayto qa ginei kai fetos.

FILHS: Yparxei kati newtero apo th synanthsh toy k. Pagkaloy me ton Prwqypoyrgo;

REPPAS: H synanthsh qa ginei stis 2 h wra. Gnwrizete poly kala, oti o k. Pagkalos exei analabei na einai o kentrikos eishghths kai diorganwths enos synedrioy qesewn poy exei apofasisei to PASOK. O k. Pagkalos exei epifortistei me ayto to kaqhkon, ws melos toy E. G. Ara, loipon, einai ena qema to opoio apotelei antikeimeno syzhthshs metajy toy Proedroy toy Kinhmatos kai toy stelexoys toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy, toy k. Pagkaloy, doqentos oti plhsiazoyn kai oi hmeromhnies stis opoies prepei na organwqei ayth h syndiaskech.

KARGOYDH: To prwi se mia sygkentrwsh toy Ellhnoamerikanikoy Institoytoy o k. Mperns diapistwse oti h episkech toy k. Klinton kalyfqhke katarxhn apo thn atmosfaira -metafrazw ayth th dhlwsh- me apotelesma na episkiastei h oysia ayths ths episkechs. To sxolio sas poio einai;

REPPAS: Me aformh thn erwthsh sas briskw gia allh mia fora thn eykairia na pw oti exoyme kai emeis diatypwsei thn qesh, oti qa prepei na mas apasxolhsei ayth h idia h episkech, to periexomeno, h oysia twn syzhthsewn kai oxi fainomena ta opoia me aformh thn episkech h sto periqwrio ths episkechs anaptyssontai. Ayto to opoio exei shmasia, exei megalh ajia gia th xwra mas, einai ayth h idia h episkech, oi syzhthseis poy qa ginoyn kai ta apotelesmata poy qa prokycoyn kai gia ta opoia ergazomaste.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Qa hqela na epibebaiwsete h oxi tis plhrofories poy qeloyn ton ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Amynas k. Tsoxatzopoylo na analambanei ena diamesolabhtiko rolo gia na syzhthsei me ta kommata ths Aristeras gia th stash twn diadhlwtwn sthn poreia ths Paraskeyhs kai an yparxei epibebaiwsh, ti prosdoka h kybernhsh apo aytes tis nees epafes.

REPPAS: H kybernhsh den prosdoka tipota. Aplws sto plaisio twn kommatikwn epafwn kai synennohsewn oi ekproswpoi twn kommatwn exoyn th dynatothta, opws kai sto parelqon kai twra na syzhthsoyn sxetika qemata. O k. Skandalidhs exei analabei ena tetoio ergo. Alla kommatika stelexh mporoyn analogws na drasthriopoihqoyn. Ayto to opoio anamenoyme apo oloys einai na anaptyjoyn tis apoceis toys. Oydeis toys periorizei. Alla na to kanoyn ayto me tetoio tropo, wste na symbaloyn sthn koinh prospaqeia poy prepei oloi na katabaloyme gia na stefqei me epityxia, pros ofelos toy eqnikoy symferontos, h episkech toy Proedroy twn HPA. Tipota allo.

FILIPPAKOPOYLOS: Treis meres prin thn episkech toy k. Klinton kai enw h kybernhsh asxoleitai apokleistika me to qema ayto...

REPPAS: Den asxoleitai h kybernhsh apokleistika me to qema ayto. Asxoloyntai oi armodioi kybernhtikoi kai yphresiakoi paragontes. Oydeis allos.

FILIPPAKOPOYLOS: Entajei. H synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton prwhn ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn qa ginei gia to Synedrio Qesewn toy kommatos, poy qa ginei ton Ianoyario;

REPPAS: Kat` arxas, ayto einai to qema twn syzhthsewn. Asfalws o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei th dynatothta, me aformh ayth th synanthsh, na akoysei tis apoceis toy kai gia alla qemata ths politikhs epikairothtas, eswterikhs kai ejwterikhs.

FILIPPAKOPOYLOS: Qa toy pei kai ayta poy grafei, o k. Pagkalos, kata kairoys;

REPPAS: Einai qema toy k. Pagkaloy. Prepei na rwthsete ton idio. Alla, gnwrizete poly kala oti exei th dynatothta o k. Pagkalos, opws kai ta alla melh toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy, na syzhtoyn me ton Prwqypoyrgo kai na antallassoyn apoceis. Einai koinwnos twn apocewn aytwn o Prwqypoyrgos, den tis akoyei twra gia prwth fora.

BITALHS: Exete mia prwth ektimhsh sxetika me tis synomilies poy ekane, xqes, o k. Klinton sthn Agkyra kai gia ta osa eipe sthn toyrkikh Eqnosyneleysh kai gia ta eyrwtoyrkika, alla kai gia thn proodo peri anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn sthn Toyrkia;

REPPAS: Eipe polla o k. Klinton. Emeis den eimaste aytoi poy qa sxoliasoyme thn politikh twn HPA. Qa sxoliasoyme thn politikh twn HPA se sxesh me thn ejelijh twn pragmatwn sth xwra mas, pws ephreazei, dhladh, h politikh ayth tis dimereis sxeseis. Prepei na pw oti h Ellada einai xwra poy akoloyqei mia politikh arxwn. Pisteyoyme oti, an oles oi xwres ths perioxhs akoloyqhsoyn mia analogh politikh, me sebasmo stis arxes kai toys kanones toy Dieqnoys Dikaioy, tote qa dhmioyrghqoyn sthn perioxh synqhkes staqerothtas kai synergasias twn xwrwn. Mporoyme apo koinoy na oikodomhsoyme ena mellon poly kalytero, pragma to opoio qa apobei pros to symferon olwn twn xwrwn ths perioxhs. Kai bebaiws, pros to symferon ths Toyrkias kai ths Elladas.

BITALHS: Kapoy leei o k. Klinton oti h Ellada pairnei ena risko me to na yposthrizei thn toyrkikh ypochfiothta, sto Elsinki.

REPPAS: Oson afora to sygkekrimeno qema, exoyme diatypwsei th qesh mas. Paramenoyme se ayth th qesh poy me leptomereies exoyme, kat epanalhch, anaptyjei. Emeis ekfrazoyme th qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs kai gnwrizete poia einai h qesh ayth. Oson afora ta genikotera qemata, eite th xarakthristikh lejh "risko", sthn opoia kai eseis anaferqhkate, mporw na epanalabw ayto poy eipa prin, oti emeis, akoloyqwntas mia politikh arxwn kai sebasmoy twn kanonwn toy Dieqnoys Dikaioy, dhmioyrgoyme nees proypoqeseis gia thn proseggish twn dyo xwrwn. Se ayth thn politikh qa prepei na antapokriqoyn oles oi xwres ths perioxhs. Kai h Toyrkia. Ayto einai kati to opoio oloi to epidiwkoyme, oloi to epiqymoyme kai pisteyoyme oti mporei na ginei prajh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa syzhthsei, edw, o Prwqypoyrgos me ton Proedro twn HPA, to Kypriako;

REPPAS: Einai h eikosth fora poy tiqetai ayth h erwthsh. Asfalws qa syzhthqei to kypriako qema. To exoyme dhlwsei apo thn prwth stigmh, oti einai ena qema zwtikhs shmasias gia emas. Einai poly ychla, sthn atzenta twn qematwn poy apasxoloyn thn kybernhsh, to eqniko ayto zhthma. Qa apotelesei antikeimeno syzhthshs sto plaisio ths episkechs toy k. Klinton sthn Ellada.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai kati akomh: To programma to exoyme;

REPPAS: To programma, se genikes grammes, exei katartistei. Qa anakoinwqei otan katartistei plhrws.

BITALHS: Kati gia to Kypriako. Kai h kybernhsh, edw, ejefrase mia ikanopoihsh oti qa janarxisoyn oi synomilies kai oti to blepei qetika olo ayto to klima poy dhmioyrgeitai me tis ek toy syneggys synomilies. Yparxei, wstoso, mia anakoinwsh, xqes, toy toyrkikoy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, poy epanerxetai sto qema ths anagnwrishs toy ceydokratoys kai parallhla, epishmainei oti den mporoyn se ayth th fash na yparjoyn oysiastikes synomilies gia to Kypriako. Ara, yparxei problhma.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala poia einai h qesh poy exei diatypwsei o OHE. H kypriakh kybernhsh, einai safes ayto, se armonia me tis qeseis twn hgetwn toy OHE, proserxetai se aytes tis synomilies gia na syzhthsei epi olwn twn oysiastikwn ptyxwn toy kypriakoy qematos, xwris proypoqeseis, xwris proapaitoymena. Pisteyoyme oti to idio prepei na kanei kai h allh pleyra.

FILHS: Apo th Synodo Koryfhs toy OASE sthn Kwnstantinoypolh, qa apoysiasei -exei apokleistei- h kybernhsh ths Gioygkoslabias. Wstoso, xqes, metadoqhke apo tis Bryjelles, meta th Synodo twn 15 ypoyrgwn Ejwterikwn, oti exoyn prosklhqei na pareyreqoyn sth Synodo -oxi me thn idiothta toy ekproswpoy kratoys, bebaiws, akomh toylaxiston- oi ekproswpoi ths antipoliteyshs sto Beligradi. Qa hqela ena sxolio ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs gia ayth thn taktikh toy apokleismoy mias kybernhshs kai ths ekproswphshs, kata kapoion tropo, mias xwras, apo mh ejoysiodothmena proswpa.

REPPAS: Emeis exoyme prosklhqei na laboyme meros se ayth th Diaskech kai qa laboyme meros. Den yparxei tipota to opoio qa dhmioyrgoyse problhma sth symmetoxh ths Elladas se ayth th dieqnh Diaskech. Den yparxei oros h proypoqesh poy qa mporoyse na xrhsimopoihqei apo opoiondhpote, entos h ektos ths xwras, wste na odhghsei se parempodish ths ekproswphshs ths Elladas se ayth th megalh Diaskech. Epiqymoyme oi kybernhseis olwn twn xwrwn, olwn twn kratwn na einai paroyses, na anaptyssoyn dimereis kai polymereis synergasies, wste na dhmioyrghsoyme ena allo dieqnes periballon. Gnwrizoyme oloi oti yparxoyn problhmata. Ayto to opoio emeis qa epidiwjoyme -opws kai se alles periptwseis kai sth sygkekrimenh- me thn paroysia mas se ayth th megalh Diaskech, einai na prowqhsoyme apofaseis, oi opoies qa symbaloyn se peraiterw staqerothta sthn perioxh, sth dhmioyrgia synqhkwn diarkoys eirhnhs kai bebaiws, sthn yperbash twn opoiwn problhmatwn exoyn dhmioyrghqei, prokeimenoy na diasfalisoyme synqhkes synergasias kai filias metajy twn kratwn kai twn lawn se olh thn Eyrwph. Ayth einai qesh mas.

Sas eyxaristw.

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