Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-11-17

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 17 Noembrioy 1999

Geia sas.

Opws jerete, o Ypoyrgos Typoy Dhmhtrhs Reppas synodeyei ton Prwqypoyrgo sthn ellhnikh apostolh poy brisketai sthn Kwnstantinoypolh, gia th Synodo toy OASE, kai etsi eimai egw mazi sas shmera.

Prin proxwrhsoyme, qelw na sas pw oti qa sas dianemhqei mia anakoinwsh toy Ypoyrgeioy, h opoia afora ston thleoptiko staqmo JUNIOR`S. Prokeitai gia mia ypoqesh -poy isws gnwrizete oi perissoteroi- parabashs ths nomoqesias, se oti afora ta pneymatika dikaiwmata kai dikastikwn apofasewn, symfwna me tis opoies o staqmos aytos prepei na pacei na leitoyrgei. Yparxei mia anakoinwsh, loipon, toy Ypoyrgeioy gia to qema ayto, h opoia qa sas dianemhqei.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Me poio skeptiko h kybernhsh proxwrhse sthn apofash na apagoreytoyn oi poreies, thn Paraskeyh, kata th diarkeia ths episkechs toy Mpil Klinton sthn Aqhna;

NIKOLAOY: Opws gnwrizete, apo thn arxh eixame tonisei oti synyparxoyn dyo dikaiwmata: to dikaiwma twn politwn na ekfrazoyn eleyqera th gnwmh toys, gia opoio qema ekeinoi pisteyoyn oti prepei na thn ekfrazoyn kai opws ekeinoi epiqymoyn kai, taytoxrona, to dikaiwma ths Politeias na diasfalisei thn omalh diejagwgh mias episkechs enos ychloy proskeklhmenoy, to kyros kai th dynatothta ths xwras na proballei tis apoceis kai tis qeseis ths sta dieqnh qemata, ta qemata ths perioxhs mas, ta qemata poy thn aforoyn.

MIXAHL: H ekfrash ths diamartyrias twn politwn kai to dikaiwma ths Politeias gia diasfalish ths episkechs, den qa mporoysan na synyparjoyn mexri thn amerikanikh presbeia; Dhladh, pistecate kai odhghqhkate se ayth thn apofash oti oi diabebaiwseis kai oi eggyhseis peri eirhnikwn diadhlwsewn poy edwsan ta kommata ths Aristeras kai kyriws to KKE, den sas ikanopoihsan; Htan anedafikes;

NIKOLAOY: H koinh logikh epiballei, otan sth xwra mas yparxei mia episkech enos ychloy proskeklhmenoy na diasfalizontai oles ekeines oi proypoqeseis, etsi wste h episkech ayth na diejaxqei omala. Ayto einai to prwto shmeio poy prepei kapoios na exei panta ypoch toy. To deytero shmeio einai, opws eipame, oti h ekfrash twn diaqesewn twn politwn einai syntagmatika katoxyrwmenh. Taytoxrona, omws, syntagmatika katoxyrwmeno einai kai to dikaiwma ths Politeias na askei thn ejwterikh politikh kai na proaspizei to kyros ths xwras. Kai ta dyo ayta, diasfalizontai.

MIXAHL: Qa hqela na moy kanete pio safes ayto to pragma dioti den mporw na to katalabw. Eite den peisthkate apo tis eggyhseis poy sas edwsan ta kommata ths Aristeras poy diorganwnan tis diamartyries kai dikaiws phrate thn apofash kai eipate oti afoy den mas ikanopoioyn, pairnoyme ayth thn apofash eite eseis den dexqhkate eyqys ej arxhs, to dikaiwma diamartyrias mexri thn amerikanikh presbeia...

NIKOLAOY: Qa elega oti teinoyme, tis teleytaies hmeres, sth xwra mas, na metatrecoyme th syzhthsh gia thn episkech toy Proedroy Klinton -poy einai mia shmantikh episkech kai dinei sth xwra mas thn eykairia na kataqesei tis apoceis, tis skeceis, tis pepoiqhseis kai tis protaseis ths gia ta eqnika mas qemata, alla kai gia ta qemata poy aforoyn eyrytera thn perioxh- se mia syzhthsh diadikastikh. Emeis den epiqymoyme na symbaloyme sthn tash ayth. Qewroyme oti einai mia eykairia gia th xwra mas, ejartatai apo mas ean qa ekmetalleytoyme ayth thn eykairia kai pisteyoyme oti h syzhthsh prepei na ginei sto oysiastiko meros ths episkechs kai oxi se diafora diadikastika qemata. Ypo thn proypoqesh, bebaia, oti diasfalizetai h eleyqerh diakinhsh twn idewn. Kai h eleyqerh diakinhsh idewn diasfalizetai. Ayto einai gnwsto. H Ellada einai mia xwra dhmokratikh, opoy kaneis den empodizetai na ekfrasei tis apoceis toy.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, afoy einai etsi ta pragmata, giati h kybernhsh, h opoia syntagmatika askei thn ejwterikh politikh, den phre mia prwtoboylia na syzhthsei me ta alla kommata eite mesw ths Boylhs eite me sxetikes synanthseis; Giati otan synanthse toys arxhgoys twn kommatwn den eqese to qema o k. Shmiths, "ti qa prepei na poyme ws xwra". Ths kybernhshs einai h eyqynh. Giati den egine ayto kai twra lete oti eprepe h syzhthsh na ginei epi ths oysias; Poios perimenate na sas qesei to qema oysias; Aytoi poy sto katw-katw sas antipoliteyontai;

NIKOLAOY: Me sygxwreite, prokeitai gia dyo teleiws diaforetika pragmata. Opws jerete, o Prwqypoyrgos synanthse toys politikoys arxhgoys kai syzhthsan gia ta qemata poy eixan sxesh me thn episkech. O kaqenas exei th gnwmh toy kai oi apoceis twn ellhnikwn kommatwn einai safws gnwstes. Opws epishs, gnwstes einai kai oi apoceis poy h ellhnikh kybernhsh qa kataqesei stis syzhthseis me ton Proedro Klinton, opws ginetai kai me kaqe jeno hgeth. Einai gnwstes oi qeseis ths xwras. Den allazoyn. Ayto poy syzhtoyme einai oti h episkech exei ena oysiastiko periexomeno. Kai xreos ths kybernhshs einai na prospaqhsei na exei ena oysiastiko periexomeno ayth h episkech. Den qeloyme, loipon, na metaqesoyme thn oysia ths syzhthshs sthn ellhnikh koinh gnwmh apo to oysiastiko meros ths episkechs sto meros twn oswn exoyn programmatistei h kapoioi exoyn ejaggeilei gia tis nomimes kai qemites ekdhlwseis diamartyrias. Den einai ayto to meizon qema gia mas. Kai den einai oyte gia th xwra ayto to meizon qema. Epanalambanw oti h proqesh ths Politeias na diafylajei ta symferonta, to kyros kai thn eikona ths xwras, ypakoyei sthn koinh logikh.

FILHS: Xqes, dianemhqhke mia anakoinwsh apo to ypoyrgeio Typoy, sxetika me ton tropo ths dhmosiografikhs kalychs ths episkechs Klinton. Qa hqela na rwthsw ean alhqeyei h plhroforia oti qa ypoblhqoyn mono treis erwthseis apo Ellhnes dhmosiografoys kai treis erwthseis apo Amerikanoys dhmosiografoys -gia toys Ellhnes mas endiaferei omws- sthn koinh synenteyjh poy qa doqei apo ton k. Shmith kai ton k. Klinton kai an qewrei h kybernhsh oti, sto diasthma twn trianta leptwn poy qa diarkesei h synenteyjh, mporei na yparjei pragmatikh enhmerwsh toy ellhnikoy laoy gia ta apotelesmata aytwn twn synanthsewn.

NIKOLAOY: Moy dinete thn eykairia na pw orismena pragmata panw sto qema ayto. Opws gnwrizete se kaqe dieqnh diorganwsh, opoy yparxei ayjhmeno endiaferon twn ekproswpwn twn MME, yparxoyn kapoies ryqmiseis, oi opoies odhgoyn, kaqorizoyn ton tropo me ton opoio eseis, oi synadelfoi sas, oi ekproswpoi twn MME, dhmosiografoi kai fwtografoi, qa exoyn to dikaiwma prosbashs kai parakoloyqhshs twn ergasiwn h meroys twn ergasiwn. Ayto einai mia dieqnhs praktikh. Sthn prokeimenh periptwsh, opws epishs gnwrizete, yparxei ayjhmeno endiaferon kai apo toys dikoys mas kai apo toys Amerikanoys ekproswpoys twn MME. Etsi, loipon, exoyme enan para poly megalo ariqmo ekproswpwn twn MME, oi opoioi epiqymoyn na einai parontes stis diafores faseis ths episkechs. Diaforetiko einai to endiaferon gia kaqe mia apo aytes tis faseis, alla oytws h allws, exoyme ena poly megalo kai ayjhmeno, se sxesh me alles episkeceis, endiaferon. Eimaste ypoxrewmenoi, loipon, dedomenoy kai toy megaloy ariqmoy twn Amerikanwn dhmosiografwn, poy qa erqoyn sthn Ellada, na proboyme se orismenes ryqmiseis, prokeimenoy na diasfalisoyme tis proypoqeseis na yparjoyn aytes oi gonimes epafes twn ekproswpwn twn MME me ton Ellhna Prwqypoyrgo kai ton Proedro twn HPA. Gi ayto allwste, akoloyqeitai kai mia sygkekrimenh diadikasia, ta legomena POOLS, poy aforoyn kai ta thleoptika Mesa -gnwrizete oti h ERT einai ayth poy qa dwsei eikona- kai toys fwtografoys kai, bebaiws, thn paroysia twn dhmosiografwn. Stoxos mas einai na einai parontes oso to dynaton perissoteroi kai, pantws, se kaqe periptwsh na diasfalistei h plhrhs, aproskopth kai eyreia enhmerwsh toy ellhnikoy laoy, kata to diasthma ayths ths episkechs. Aytos einai o stoxos kai prepei na yphrethqei me orismenes ryqmiseis. Eimaste se synennohseis. Pisteyoyme oti qa ejasfalisoyme to megalytero dynato ariqmo kai pantws -epanalambanw- ekeinon ton ariqmo, o opoios qa epitrecei ston Ellhna polith na exei plhrh kai antikeimenikh enhmerwsh gia oti qa symbei kai oti qa eipwqei. Gia to diadikastiko qema twn erwthsewn, twra, ayto einai ena qema poy qa to doyme tis epomenes hmeres.

FILHS: Prwton, giati bazete mono mish wra synenteyjh typoy, otan einai gnwsto oti me enan, ton Prwqypoyrgo gia paradeigma, jeperna th mia wra h synenteyjh Typoy. Giati mish wra, toso poly strimwgmena...;

NIKOLAOY: Etsi ginetai synhqws, s aytes tis dieqneis synanthseis...

FILHS: Den yparxei "synhqws". To programmatizoyn oi dyo pleyres.

NIKOLAOY: Yparxei dieqnhs praktikh, thn opoia den mporei kaneis na agnohsei. Den ginetai ayto mono sthn Ellada. Kai o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos kai o Proedros ths Dhmokratias, otan pragmatopoioyn epishmes episkeceis se alles xwres, exoyn synhqws enan periorismeno xrono sth diaqesh toys gia na erqoyn se epafh me ta MME, mazi me ton hgeth ths xwras poy toys filojenei. Einai allo pragma h synenteyjh Typoy poy dinei o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos sta ellhnika MME, sto plaisio mias Synodoy Koryfhs h ths taktikhs epafhs toy me ta MME kai allo pragma o xronos poy dinetai se koines synenteyjeis. Panta, se aytes tis periptwseis yparxei periorismenos xronos. Den yparxei dieqnhs praktikh tetoia opoy oi dyo hgetes dexontai erwthseis aperiorista.

FILHS: Den eipa aperiorista. Alla den eipa, omws, kai oligon me synoptikes diadikasies.

NIKOLAOY: Oxi. Den einai kaqoloy etsi. Den einai synoptikes diadikasies. Den symfwnw.

FILHS: Deyteron, ti qa peiraze ean yphrxe, ean htan parontes se ayth th synenteyjh Typoy, to synolo twn ekproswpwn twn MME; Ti problhma dhmioyrgei ayto to pragma; Mas qewroyn tromokrates; Gia logoys asfaleias ginetai, dhladh;

NIKOLAOY: Opws jerete oi epafes, oi syzhthseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Proedro Klinton, qa ginoyn sto Megaro Majimoy. Yparxei, kat arxhn, ena texniko qema. To Megaro Majimoy den mporei na filojenhsei 300 dhmosiografoys.

FILHS: Saranta einai oloi oi ekproswpoi Typoy.

NIKOLAOY:... kai 250 oi Amerikanoi.

FILHS: Ayto einai qema toy k. Klinton, an toys qelei h oxi. O k. Klinton qelei 250 dhmosiografoys na exei mazi toy;

NIKOLAOY: Prepei na exoyme mia amoibaiothta se ayth thn ypoqesh. Den mporoyme na exoyme oloys toys Ellhnes kai... oligoys Amerikanoys! Exoyn kai oi Amerikanoi polites dikaiwma sthn enhmerwsh.

FILHS: Saranta kai saranta, xwris apokleismoys.

NIKOLAOY: Exoyme kanei epaneilhmmenes syzhthseis kai exoyme frontisei, meta apo tis syzhthseis aytes na ftasoyme to majimoym toy ariqmoy, poy einai dynaton na yparjei, etsi wste na ejasfalistei h aproskopth dikh sas paroysia kai di ayths h aproskopth enhmerwsh toy ellhnikoy laoy. Oi prospaqeies mas, synexizontai.

FILHS: Sygnwmh, poia aproskopth enhmerwsh, k. Ekproswpe; Qa diatypwsei tis dikes moy erwthseis enas allos synadelfos h egw enos alloy synadelfoy; Poia aproskopth, loipon, enhmerwsh qa yparxei; Mporei o synadelfos o allos na exei thn idia aisqhsh gia mia diadikasia; Panomoiotyph aisqhsh; Tote qa bgainei mono mia efhmerida sthn Ellada. Pws qa ejasfalistei, loipon, o ployralismos kai h diaforetikh proseggish twn gegonotwn;

NIKOLAOY: Gnwrizete poly kalytera apo emena -eimai bebaios oti to gnwrizete- oti yparxoyn panta se aytes tis diadikasies orismena metra kai orismenes ryqmiseis poy symfwnoyntai kai diasfalizoyn kai ta dyo: kai thn eleyqerh prosbash twn ekproswpwn twn MME kai th dynatothta na diejaxqei mia syzhthsh sto plaisio poy prepei na diejaxqei.

FILHS: Poios ta symfwnhse ayta ta metra; Me poioys milhsate; Me tis efhmerides, ta radiofwna, thn thleorash; Me poioys milhsate kai ta symfwnhsate, dhladh, ayta ta metra; Emas aplws mas anakoinwqhkan sto parapente.

SOYGLERHS: Pws qa ginei h epilogh k. Ekproswpe; Kapoia Mesa qa eynohqoyn, kapoia alla qa adikhqoyn; Oi erwthseis apo poia Mesa qa einai, apo ta hlektronika, apo tis efhmerides;

NIKOLAOY: Ean kai opoy exoyme periorismeno ariqmo yparxoyn dyo epiloges: H mia einai na akoloyqhsoyme ta megeqh kykloforias, akroamatikothtas kai thleqeashs...

FILHS: Dhladh, h Dhmokratia ws ariqmhtiko megeqos. Akoma xeirotera. H Dhmokratia ws posotiko kai ariqmhtiko megeqos. Ayto lete twra.

NIKOLAOY: As mh mpoyme sth syzhthsh peri Dhmokratias, giati exete tis apoceis sas kai egw tis dikes moy.

FILHS: Mono poy eseis askeite ejoysia eis baros ths Dhmokratias.

NIKOLAOY: H apoch h dikh mas peri Dhmokratias sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, einai oti o ellhnikos laos qa mporei plhrws kai anempodista na maqei ta panta gyrw apo thn episkech toy Proedroy Klinton. Kai oi Ellhnes ekproswpoi twn MME qa exoyn, epishs, th dynatothta prosbashs sto plaisio twn xwrwn poy einai sth diaqesh mas.

KAMPOYRAKHS: H deyterh epilogh poia einai; Milhsate gia dyo epiloges.

NIKOLAOY: H deyterh epilogh einai h ejhs: An h ESHEA hqele na symbalei sth diamorfwsh aytwn twn krithriwn kai proteraiothtwn, emeis den exoyme kamia antirrhsh.

FILHS: To epidiwjate;

NIKOLAOY: Exoyme syzhthsei me ton k. Kiao.

FILHS: Kai ti sas eipe o k. Kiaos;

NIKOLAOY: Na rwthsete ton idio. Ayth einai h protash mas.

FILHS: Symfwnhse me ayton ton tropo, me ayth th meqodologia;

NIKOLAOY: Oxi, de nomizw oti symfwnhse. Einai dikh mas skech.

FILHS: Giati den ayjanete, loipon, ton ariqmo twn dhmosiografwn, saranta kai saranta, dhladh, ogdonta atoma;

NIKOLAOY: Exoyme to periqwrio na ayjhsoyme ton ariqmo twn dhmosiografwn, oso mas epitrepetai apo to xwro kai apo th dynatothta na diejaxqei...

FILHS: Qa einai gemath apo toys FBI h aiqoysa;

NIKOLAOY: Afhste ta ayta!

FILHS: Oxi, "afhste ta". To Megaro Majimoy, sto opoio phgainoyme taktika ws dhmosiografoi, exei mia megalh aiqoysa poy xwraei 200 atoma. Se dhmosiografoys ta lete...

NIKOLAOY: Exete diaqesh na syzhthsoyme kai pali diadikastika. Emeis den exoyme diaqesh.

FILHS: Politiko qema einai h enhmerwsh toy ellhnikoy laoy. Diadikastiko einai kai ayto;

NIKOLAOY: H enhmerwsh toy ellhnikoy laoy einai politiko qema, alla thn enhmerwsh toy ellhnikoy laoy thn exoyme diasfalisei plhrws. Thn exei diasfalisei h kybernhsh.

FILHS: Me apokleismoys k. Ekproswpe.

NIKOLAOY: Oi aitiaseis sas alloy, k. Filh. Oxi se emas, oxi se ayth thn kybernhsh.

FILHS: Kapoies ypodeijeis tote akoloyqeite.

NIKOLAOY: Ypodeijeis den akoloyqei ayth h kybernhsh. Alloy, epanalambanw, ayta ta belh. Opoios epiqymei na askhsei kritikh sthn Kybernhsh gia thn politikh ths, bebaiws kai mporei na to kanei eleyqera, einai anafaireto syntagmatiko dikaiwma toy, alla na askhsei kritikh epi ths oysias kai oxi epi diaforwn diadikastikwn qematwn. Ena mhna, twra, sthn Ellada diejagetai syzhthsh epi ths diadikasias. Erxetai o Proedros twn HPA kai eimaste ypoxrewmenoi ws xwra na ajiopoihsoyme ayth thn episkech gia ta eqnika symferonta. Ekei, loipon, qa meinoyme emeis. Eseis mporeite -ston k. Filh anaferomai kai se orismenoys alloys filoys kai gnwstoys- na synexisete na antimetwpizete to qema diadikastika. Einai dikaiwma sas. Emeis exoyme allh epilogh.

FILHS: Ws dhmosiografos milw kai gia emena kaqhkon kai ypoxrewsh moy einai na diasfalizontai oi aproskoptoi oroi kai afhste ta alla poy lete gia "kapoioys filoys sas"

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