Avaskopnsn A0nvaikou Tupou, 19/03/96

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ANASKOPHSH A0HNAIKOY TYPOY THS 19/03/1996

PERIEXOMENA

[1] TITLOI EFHMERIDWN

Afierwmeva stov Odussea Elutn eivai ta prwtoselida twv perissoterwv efnmeridwv. Alla 0emata pou kuriarxouv stnv eidnseografia tou eivai oi ellnvotourkikes sxeseis, n x0esivn suzntnsn stn Bouln pro nmernsias diata3ews se epipedo arxngwv kommatwv, evoyei tns Diakubervntikns Diaskeyns oi suvomilies pou eixe stn Mosxa me to Rwso omologo tou 0eodwros Pagkalos kai oi e3eli3eis sto Skopiavo.

ADESMEYTOS TYPOS: "Esbnse to fws tou Aigaiou. Efuge sav xelidovi o Elutns".

APOGEYMATINH: "Kaive autokivnta tns DEH. 3exeilise n orgn. Epikivduvo faivomevo".

H AYGH: "Rodo amaravto. "A3iov Esti" o Odusseas Elutns".

AYRIANH: "Kartel kai upokosmos kata tou Laliwtn. Tsakizei tn summoria o upourgos PEXWDE kai proxwraei ola ta megala erga".

E0NOS: "Eduse o pointns tou Aigaiou. Asma nrwiko kai pev0imo gia tov Odussea Elutn".

ELEY0ERH WRA: "Samaras kai Tsobolas mas emeivav. Oloi oi alloi "kioteuouv" stis e0vikes mas upo0eseis".

ELEY0EROS: "Kubervouv oi ergolaboi".

ELEY0EROS TYPOS: "Prwtn me 3,4 movades n Nea Dnmokratia. 4,1 o Tsobolas. Bouliazouv "Avoi3n" kai Suvaspismos. To teleutaio megalo gkalop tns ALCO".

ELEY0EROTYPIA: "Wraie mou Arxaggele geia sou. Eixe viwsei to telos o Odusseas Elutns".

H KA0HMERINH: "Mvnmoveuete Odussea Elutn. H Ellada kndeuei snmera to mesnmeri tov Pointn tns".

O LOGOS: "Avtio nliopotn. Ftwxotern n Ellada xwris tov Odussea Elutn".

TA NEA: "Eduse o nlios o prwtos".

NIKH: "A3ios Esti. Pe0ave x0es o Odusseas Elutns".

RIZOSPASTHS: "Dnmoynfisma gia tn Suv0nkn tou Maastrixt".

[2] Ellnvotourkikes sxeseis

H ELEY0EROTYPIA grafei oti "n kubervnsn upostnri3e kai x0es oti dev upnr3e epeisodio stnv perioxn tns Imias kai epemeive oti uperaspizetai stnv perioxn ta kuriarxika dikaiwmata, alla kai ta sumferovta twv idiwtwv. Se o,ti afora to teleutaio peristatiko avefere oti o sugkekrimevos boskos eixe tnv prwtoboulia va proseggisei to vnsi. Isws epeidn fobn0nke pros0ese o k. Reppas o boskos epestreye "xwris va dex0ei apeiles kai xwris oudeis va tov periorisei. O prw0upourgos diabebaiwse x0es apo tou bnmatos tns Boulns oti "dev uparxouv gkrizes perioxes sto Aigaio". O upourgos E3wterikwv 0eodwros Pagkalos proeidopoinse va mnv "paizouv me tn fwtia" osous ev0arruvouv tnv Agkura stis suvomwsies tns kata Elladas kai Tsetsevias. To koivo avakoivw0ev pou ekdo0nke meta tis suvomilies pou eixe me to Rwso omologo tou "kaluptei ta dikaia tns Elladas".

O ELEY0EROS TYPOS epikaleitai "ta aporrnta praktika twv duo prosfatwv kekleismevwv twv 0urwv suvedriasewv tns Epitropns E3wterikwv Ypo0esewv tns Boulns ,opou o upourgos E3wterikwv 0eodwros Pagkalos stis 28 Febrouariou paradex0nke oti o boskos parevoxleito kai "epavnl0e me tn suvodeia peripolikou", apokaluye oti suzntnse to sugkekrimevo 0ema me tov presbn twv HPA Tomas Nails kai proebleye oti "0a givovtai suvexws epeisodia" avalogns morfns".

Sumfwva me to E0NOS, "stnv A0nva uparxei problnmatismos kai gia tnv avtimetwpisn twv 0ematwv pou dnmiourgouv oi tourkikes proklnseis sta Imia. H kubervnsn dev proebn pros to parov se kamia kivnsn pros tnv Agkura, alla evnmerwse tov amerikaviko paragovta. O upourgos E3wterikwv k Pagkalos epavelabe oti n Ellada dev 0a epitreyei tnv efarmogn tou Xrnmatodotikou Prwtokollou gia tnv Tourkia av dev upar3ouv eggunseis oti 0a egkataleif0ei n apeiln kai xrnsn bias".

TA NEA episnmaivouv oti "n kubervnsn eivai upoxrewmevn va kavei idiaitera prosektikes kivnseis prokeimevou va apofugei eva 0ermo epeisodio sto Aigaio, pou 0a klimakwve tnv evtasn kai 0a e3upnretouse tis epidiw3eis tns Agkuras gia dialogo sta kuriarxika mas dikaiwmata. Dialogo pou prow0ouv oi HPA me stoxo tn 0esmo0etnsn Metrwv Oikodomnsns Empistosuvns sto Aigaio. A3izei va snmeiw0ei oti x0es 6-7 sxnmatismoi tourkikwv aeroskafwv parabiasav to e0viko evaerio xwro stnv perioxn twv Dwdekavnswv. Ta tourkika maxntika avaxaitis0nkav. H ellnvikn pleura pou dev 0elei va pesei stnv pagida tns dnmiourgias texvntns evtasns sto Aigaio apavta me prosektikes politikes kai xwris koroves, opws elegav kubervntikoi kukloi. Omada Tourkwv dnmosiografwv epexeirnse tnv perasmevn ebdomada va metabei sta vnsakia Rw kai Strogguln tou Kastelorizou, prokeimevou va uywsei tourkikes snmaies. Omws oi dnmosiografoi empodistnkav apo tous katoikous tns tourkikns polns Avtifullos (Kas) pou brisketai apevavti apo to Kastelorizo. Auto apokaluptei n agglofwvn efnmerida "Turkish Daily" se reportaz tou apestalmevou tns Xasav Oustouv, o opoios perigrafei polles leptomereies gia to peristatiko auto".

H AYGH grafei oti "apetuxe n prospa0eia tns italikns proedrias va peisei tnv Agkura va dex0ei mia seira 0esewv twv 15 oi opoies 0a avoigav to dromo gia tnv omaln sugklnsn kai die3agwgn twv ergasiwv tou Sumbouliou Suvdesns Tourkias-Koivotntas pou exei programmatisei katarxnv gia tis 26 Martiou. Sumfwva me plnrofories mas apo diplwmatikes pnges proskeimeves stnv italikn proedria o GG tou YPE3 tns Italias k. Mpavkeri eisepra3e ousiastika x0es mia eugevikn alla katngornmatikn arvnsn twv Tourkwv suvomilntwv tou oi opoioi dev dexovtai sto sumboulio suvdesns va givei avafora kai apodoxn twv triwv 0esewv tns politikns epitropns twv 15 oi opoies problepouv tnv katadikn xrnsews bias gia tnv epilusn twv ellnvotourkikwv diaforwv to sebasmo twv die0vwv suv0nkwv kai tnv avagkn prosfugns Elladas kai Tourkias sto die0ves dikastnrio tns Xagns gia ta Imia".

"Kai auto, pros0etei o ELEY0EROS, dioti stoxos tns tourkikns politikns paramevei o dimerns dialogos me tnv Ellada se suvduasmo me tnv parapompn orismevwv 0ematwv stn Xagn. Fusika n apokaluyn autn deixvei tnv pragmatikn pro0esn tns Agkuras ka0ws n "strofn" Gilmaz paremeive frastikn xwris praktiko avtikrusma".

H KA0HMERINH snmeiwvei oti "n Tourkia dev exei avoi3ei akoma ta xartia tns gia va plnrofornsei tous etairous sxetika me tis evdexomeves politikes desmeuseis pou 0a mporouse va avalabei apevavti stnv EE wste va do0ei stnv A0nva n duvatotnta va epave3etasei tnv arvntikn 0esn tns sto 0ema twv koivotikwv xrnmatodotnsewv pros tnv Tourkia kai va apodex0ei kata to Sumboulio Suvdesews EE-Tourkias to opoio eivai programmatismevo gia tis 26 Martiou va upar3ei mia koivn 0esn twv "15". Sumfwva me plnrofories o tourkos presbns stis Bru3elles kata tn suvavtnsn tou me tous presbeis tns koivotikns troikas (Italos, Irlavdos, Ispavos) upostnri3e oti n Agkura dev 0ewrei to Die0ves Dikastnrio tns Xagns ws to katallnlo orgavo gia tnv epilusn periplegmevwv 0ematwv opws auto tns braxovnsidas Imia. Eipe akoma oti n kubervnsn tns Agkuras pisteuei oti kalutern lusn gia tnv epilusn twv diaforwv eivai evas ellnvotourkikos dialogos sto plaisio tou die0vous dikaiou".

"Sumfwva me plnrofories, pou epikaleitai o RIZOSPASTHS, tis teleutaies meres brisketai se e3eli3n mia "evtovn" amerikavotourkikn suzntnsn me 0ema to "ellnvotourkiko problnma" kai to amerikaviko upourgeio E3wterikwv exei ndn diereuvnsei tis tourkikes pro0eseis avazntwvtas tn formoula me tnv opoia 0a epiteux0ei n suvevvonsn A0nvas kai Agkuras oxi movo gia to 0ema tns Imias alla gevikotera wste va 3eperastouv ta problnmata pou avtimetwpizei to NATO stn votioavatolikn Mesogeio. Kata tnv episkeyn tou k. Snmitns stis HPA 0a parousias0ouv sugkekrimeves idees gia tnv prow0nsn mias ellnvotourkikns suzntnsns".

"Dnmosiografikes plnrofories, pou epikaleitai n NIKH, ferouv tov amerikavo proedro etoimo va ekfrasei episnma tnv pro0esn tns amerikavikns kubervnsns va mesolabnsei meta3u Elladas kai Tourkias kata tis episkeyeis twv proedrwv Stefavopoulou kai Ebert stis HPA".

[3] Braxovnsides-kubervntiko programma

TA NEA grafouv oti n kubervnsn "prow0ei programma avaptu3ns kai kataskeuns ergwv stoixeiwdous upodomns (molous, katafugia, udatode3ameves klp) kai se alles braxovnsides tou Aigaiou meta3u twv opoiwv perilambavetai kai n Imia. Malista o prw0upourgos K. Snmitns exei ndn dwsei evtoles sta armodia upourgeia gia tnv oloklnrwsn tetoiwv programmatwv".

[4] Odusseas Elutns

TA NEA: "H Ellada apoxaireta snmera tov pointn tou erwta, tou fwtos, tou Arxipelagous kai tns av0rwpivns euais0nsias. Oi av0rwpoi pou gvwrisav tov pointn 0a ferouv pavta to snmadi autns tns epafns, autwv twv stigmwv. Tns epafns me ekeivov pou latreye tn glwssa, afnse gargaro to logo va pla0ei eikoves, agkaliase av0rwpiva to Egw tou plnsiov".

ELEY0EROTYPIA: "Zntnse va tov apoxairetnsoume me siwpn o Odusseas Elutns. Autos pou dev siwpnse ws to telos tou gia tnv Ellada pou tov mageue. Gia meva n Ellada eivai evas 0ambos, egraye. Kai auto to 0ambos ntav pngn asteireutn umvou xaras kai povou ews kai orgns. Exovtas znsei ola ta dramatika gegovota tou aiwva, dev sta0nke stnv poinsn tou adiaforos oute kai gia ta snmeriva".

E0NOS: "O Odusseas Elutns bu0ise tnv Ellada sto pev0os gia to xamo tou. O av0rwpos pou me tn brabeusn tou (1979) timnse to 0esmo twv Nompel kai tn xwra pou tov gevvnse dev uparxei pia. Autos o kosmos o mikros, o megas tou Odussea Elutn ntav evas kosmos gematos fws kai omorfia. Ki o pointns, o megas, evas ippotns twv stixwv, evas katoxos mias pngns xrusoforas pou ave3avtlnta mas drosize me to Logo tns".

ELEY0EROS TYPOS: "O Elutns eviwse stnv yuxn tou tnv eulogia tou 0eou. Apedex0n tnv apostoln tou. Kai tnv e3etelese me afosiwsn, sto akeraio kai mexri telous. Tnv e3etelese me semvotnta. Htav semvos kai suvepns opws oloi oi Megaloi. Efuge x0es a0oruba kai me semvotnta. Tov euxaristoume gia o,ti ekave gia tnv Ellada kai tov Ellnvismo. Tov euxaristoume gia ta polla pou mas edwse".

ADESMEYTOS TYPOS: "X0es to mesnmeri ekleise ta ftera tou to xelidovi mias akribns pointikns avoi3ns. Mias avoi3ns, pou xarise stn xwra mas duo Nompel kai orismevous akoma gevikns apodoxns - se pagkosmia klimaka- dnmiourgous. O Elutns ntav dektns kai pompos tns amuvomevns omorfias autou tou topou mesa stnv Istoria".

AYRIANH: "O pointns tou Aigaiou kai tns aiwvias efnbeias dev mevei pia edw. O Odusseas Elutns efuge x0es gia va paei va suvavtnsei tous allous megalous tns pareas tou (Sefern, Ritso, Gkatso, Tsarouxn, Xatzndaki) pou ka0orisav to politistiko gigves0ai tns veoterns Elladas".

H KA0HMERINH: "O Odusseas Elutns perase sto "aiwvio dev". Kai oi Ellnves viwsame va "emfavizetai metamfiesmevn se Avoi3n mia para3evn agriotnta". Giati o pointns eivai n avasa, n 0alpwrn, n paramu0ia evos oloklnrou laou. Dev viw0oume ftwxoteroi xwris tov Elutn. Niw0oume gumvoi".

ELEY0EROS: "Esbnse gia pavta o nlios twv Texvwv kai twv Grammatwv. O Odusseas Elutns ntav o teleutaios twv "megalwv" tou topou mas. Ymvnse tnv ellnvikn poinsn kai tn gemise me aisiodo3ia favtasia, fws kai Aigaio. Perase stis xruses selides tns Istorias".

RIZOSPASTHS: "Tnv teleutaia tou pvon afnse xtes o megalos mas pointns Odusseas Elutns pou efuge gia va klnrodotnsei stov topo kai stov lao mas pavtotivo tou "nliatora" tnv poinsn tou".

O LOGOS: "O pointns tns "aiwvias efnbeias", o pointns tou Aigaiou, o pointns tou erwta, o pointns tns Megalns Glwssas kai tns Megalns Suveidnsns, o pointns tns Gns mas, tou Ouravou kai tns 0alassas, o pointns tou "oligou kai tou akribous", o pointns tns yuxns kai tou aimatos mas efuge x0es".

H AYGH: "As signsouv ta grammata. As upokli0ouv oi le3eis. As govatisouv ta "avemodarta rnmata". As pvigouv ta "prwta logia twv Seirnvwv". Snmera to xwma tns Attikns skepazei tov pointn. H grammn tou orizovta proskuva to swma tou Elutn diabazovtas to sxnma tns pvons tou. Afnse leei o Odusseas Elutns x0es tnv teleutaia tou pvon. H pvon tou -apatntn, flegomevn, leukn kai loulakia- uparxei pavtou".

APOGEYMATINH: "H ais0nsn tns megalns apwleias sfragize ta proswpa twv av0rwpwv pou mporei va n3erav apo poinsn, mporei kai oxi, mporei va zousav pointika n yuxra realistika, peza n kai xwris suvais0nma, ais0avovtav omws sav skirtnma palio, aiwvio, to sebasmo apevavti stous megalous tns politeias twv idewv".

NIKH: "O pointns pou dev gevvn0nke gia va avnkei pou0eva, opws elege, kai pou telika tou avnke n poinsn, to xrwma tou ellnvikou fwtos kai n ais0avtikotnta twv pragmatwv efuge apo tn zwn kataktwvtas tnv a0avasia".

ELEY0ERH WRA: "Apo x0es n Ellada kai o kosmos eivai ftwxoteros se pveuma, se dnmiourgia, se empveusn. O megalos lurikos pointns pou apotelese pngn zwns gia tn xwra mas sugklovise me to xamo tou to pavellnvio".

[5] Ellada-PGDM

O ADESMEYTOS TYPOS grafei oti "atupn mesolabnsn meta3u Elladas kai Skopiwv ulopoiei apo x0es n Italida upourgos e3wterikwv (kai proedreuousa tou Sumbouliou) k. S. Avieli me episkeyn tns sto kratidio. Av kai tipota dev exei avakoivw0ei episnma ektimatai pws n k. Avieli metaferei "mnvuma" tou Ellnva upourgou e3wterikwv k. 0. Pagkalou gia tnv ovomasia. Allwste o k. Pagkalos exei zntnsei tnv parembasn twv eurwpaiwv etairwv mas, wste va dieukoluv0ouv oi diapragmateuseis tns Neas Yorkns. Parallnla, o k. Milosebits avamevetai va episkef0ei -mallov snmera- ta Skopia xwris va dieukrivizetai o xrovos avagvwrisns tous apo tn Serbia kai n ovomasia pou 0a epilegei".

H APOGEYMATINH episnmaivei oti "o upourgos E3wterikwv twv Skopiwv k. Fertskofski emfavistnke apaisiodo3os gia mia lusn sto 0ema tou ovomatos amesws meta tn suvavtnsn pou eixe me tnv Italida omologo tou Souzava Avieli n opoia upostnri3e oti n EE dev mporei va kavei tipota sto 0ema giati eivai dimeres".

H AYRIANH avaferei oti "dev prokeitai va suzntn0ei to 0ema tou ovomatos kata tn diarkeia tns epikeimevns episkeyns tou Skopiavou upourgou E3wterikwv L. Fertskofski stnv A0nva, n opoia 0a pragmatopoin0ei peri ta teln Martiou n tis arxes Apriliou".

Sumfwva me tnv KA0HMERINH, "n A0nva avamevei pavtws va dieukrivistouv oi pro0eseis twv Skopiwv kai sto zntnma tou ovomatos evw avnsuxia prokalei to evdexomevo amoibaias avagvwrisns Skopiwv - Beligradiou evtos twv amesws prosexwv nmerwv".

H ELEY0EROTYPIA grafei oti "ta Skopia dev blepouv sumfwvia gia to ovoma. Aisiodo3ouv omws gia avaptu3n twv sxesewv avamesa stis duo xwres".

O ELEY0EROS TYPOS xaraktnrizei tis dnlwseis Frtskofski "pragmatikn yuxrolousia gia tnv kubervnsn Snmitn pou exei ndn speusei va proavaggeilei sta Skopia tnv pro0esn tns gia sumbibasmo me suv0etn ovomasia".

[6] Suzntnsn stn Bouln

H KA0HMERINH avaferei oti "para tn sfodrn kritikn pou dex0nke o prw0upourgos apo tous arxngous twv kommatwv tns avtipoliteusns kata tn suzntnsn pou pragmatopoin0nke stn Bouln ev oyei tns Diakubervntikns Diaskeyns tou Torivo n kubervnsn kai n a3iwmatikn avtipoliteusn sumfwvnsav x0es stis basikes grammes twv 0esewv pou 0a prepei va upostnrix0ouv apo tnv ellnvikn pleura stnv krisimotatn autn suvavtnsn. Toso o prw0upourgos oso kai o proedros tns ND avagvwrisav oti mporei va katargn0ei n arxn tns omofwvias efosov n EE eggun0ei gia tnv edafikn akeraiotnta twv melwv tns alla oxi gia zntnmata pou 0igouv e0vika kai zwtika sumferovta tns ka0e xwras. Tautoxrova ta duo megala kommata, alla kai n Politikn Avoi3n avagvwrisav tnv avagkn va epidiw3ei n Ellada tn diamorfwsn koivns e3wterikns politikns stnv EE afou opws eipav ekeivoi pou avtiti0evtai se mia tetoia prooptikn stoxeuouv sto va e3upnretnsouv ta dika tous ngemovika sumferovta".

H AYRIANH grafei oti "realistikes 0esei stnv kateu0uvsn tns eurwpaikns oloklnrwsns parousiase x0es stn Bouln o prw0upourgos Kwstas Snmitns kata tnv pro nmernsias diata3ews suzntnsn ev oyei tns Diakubervntikns sto Torivo. 0eseis pou brnkav sxedov sumfwva ola ta kommata tns avtipoliteusns plnv bebaiws tou KKE. Toso o prw0upourgos oso kai o arxngos tns a3iwmatikns avtipoliteusns alla kai o proedros tns POLAN tax0nkav uper tns diatnrnsns tou beto".

H APOGEYMATINH tovizei oti "n emba0uvsn tns eurwpaikns oloklnrwsns, n diamorfwsn tns Koivns E3wterikns Politikns kai tns Politikns Asfaleias (KEPPA), n avtimetwpisn tou elleimmatos tns koivwvias allnlegguns kai n prospa0eia va meiw0ei n apostasn twv lawv tns Eurwpns apo tis e3eli3eis stnv EE eivai oi 4 a3oves pou 0a kivn0ei n Ellada stnv poreia oloklnrwsns. O k. Snmitns epesnmave oti "n omofwvia stn lnyn twv apofasewv apo pagio amuvtiko mas oplo mporei va strafei evavtiov mas".

O LOGOS upogrammizei tnv avafora tou prw0upourgou oti "to dikaiwma arvnsikurias tns Elladas (beto) 0a eivai evergo oso "ta zwtika mas sumferovta dev diasfalizovtai apo avtistoixes desmeuseis se epipedo EE".

Sto sxolio tou to E0NOS tovizei oti "n eukairia tns Diakubervntikns eivai movadikn kai se kamia periptwsn dev 0a prepei va xa0ei n va mnv a3iopoin0ei kata twv epwfelestero e0vika tropo. Dioti vai mev n EE dev dia0etei akomn tov avagkaio stratiwtiko mnxavismo prostasias twv kratwv-melwv tns, alla oudeis amfiballei oti n ek merous tns avagvwrisn twv e3wterikwv tns suvorwv apotelei tnv asfalestern aspida tns xwras mas apo tn gvwstn e3 Avatolwv apeiln".

[7] Suvomilies Pagkalou stn Mosxa

Oi suvomilies pou eixe o upourgos E3wterikwv 0eodwros Pagkalos me to Rwso omologo tou stn Mosxa Gebgkevi Primakof stn Mosxa proballovtai ektevws apo to snmerivo tupo.

Opws grafei n ELEY0ERH WRA "sto epikevtro ntav "dimern kuriws oikovomika kai die0vn 0emata kai apofasistnke n epitaxuvsn tns oikovomikns suvergasias twv duo xwrwv evw eivai se kalo dromo kai to 0ema tou petrelaiagwgou Mpourgkas - Ale3avdroupolns".

To E0NOS grafei oti "oi duo pleures sumfwvnsav episns va prow0nsouv tnv kataskeun tou agwgou Mpourgkas-Ale3avdroupolns. Gia to skopo auto 0a idru0ei n rwso-boulgaro-ellnvikn etairia "Travsmpalkav Paiplaiv". O k. Pagkalos dnlwse oti uparxouv diaforetikes avtilnyeis stov tropo xrnmatodotnsns tou ergou apo tov kratiko kai apo tov idiwtiko tomea. To zntnma 0a e3etastei se trimern suvavtnsn armodiwv paragovtwv Elladas-Rwsias-Boulgarias. Na dieuruvouv tn suvergasia tous stov tomea tou fusikou aeriou. Albavia kai Skopia exouv ekfrasei tnv epi0umia va parouv fusiko aerio mesw Elladas. Na proxwrnsouv stnv kataskeun tou ergostasiou aloumivas. Apofasistnke va sugkln0ei suvtoma Miktn Diakubervntikn Epitropn gia oikovomikn, biomnxavikn kai epistnmoviko-texvikn suvergasia. Sumfwvn0nke dieuruvsn tns pro3evikns suvergasias. Stous epixeirnmaties 0a divovtai bizes diarkeias evos etous kai 0a dieukoluvovtai oi Rwsoi touristes stnv Ellada. Oi duo upourgoi sumfwvnsav episns oti prepei va upar3ei koivn prwtoboulia gia ta zntnmata asfaleias stn Balkavikn. Tovistnke oti n dieuruvsn tou NATO pros Avatolas kati pou evoxn autn tnv wra tnv Rwsia, prepei va givei prosektika".