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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 23 Septembrioy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 290606131

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 23 Septembrioy 2010

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Tis teleytaies hmeres brisketai se ejelijh mia entonh paroysia ths xwras sto dieqnes sterewma. Exoyme afhsei sto parelqon thn aprajia, thn atonia kai thn akinhsia toy parelqontos.

Kinoymaste, apo tis prwtes hmeres ths diakybernhshs mas, dieqnws pantoy, me meqodo, sxedio kai orama anaktwntas thn ajiopistia ths xwras mas, hmera me thn hmera. Apoktoyme th fwnh poy mas elleice ta teleytaia xronia kai th dieqnh qesh poy mas armozei. Oxhma mas h eilikrinhs diaqesh gia rizikes allages, se oloys toys tomeis, h apofasistikothta twn politwn mas gia proodo kai h oristikh diagrafh twn praktikwn toy parelqontos poy mas odhghsan ws edw kai h ajiopistia mas me thn opoia proxwrame.

Probaloyme me ajiopista stoixeia, pleon, thn pragmatikh eikona ths xwras mas, tis realistikes mas dynatothtes, to dynamiko mas kai tis eykairies poy dhmioyrgoyntai kai ginomaste pisteytoi giati eimaste ajiopistoi. Anaktoyme bhma-bhma th staqerothta. Proxwrame se ejygiansh, ejorqologismo kai diafaneia toy dhmosioy tomea, poy apotelei th bash gia mia ygih, diarkh kai biwsimh anaptyjh.

Ola ta parapanw einai o monos dromos gia thn proselkysh ajiopistwn kai makroproqesmwn megalwn ependysewn, wfelimwn gia thn ellhnikh oikonomia, alla kai gia thn anaptyjh egxwriwn ependysewn kai thn anakamch ths mikromesaias epixeirhshs.

Apodeiknyetai gia akomh mia fora pws otan yparxei pragmatikh boylhsh, politikh boylhsh, orejh kai meqodikh doyleia, plano kai synepeia logwn kai ergwn, tote ontws h krish metatrepetai se eykairia. Tote ekmetalleyomaste oles tis dynatothtes mas, alla kai ola ta sygkritika mas pleonekthmata.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie ypoyrge, o k. Samaras apo to bhma ths Koinoboyleytikhs toy Omadas kathgorhse ton Prwqypoyrgo oti exei egkatastaqei gia ebdomades sto ejwteriko, enw, epiprosqeta, anaptyssetai kai mia fhmologia sxetika me to poy diamenei o Prwqypoyrgos kai h antiproswpeia toy, oti to jenodoxeio einai panakribo k.lp., thn wra poy o ellhnikos laos peinaei.

PETALWTHS: Oson afora to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, ontws apo xqes yparxei mia tetoia filologia logotexnikoy periexomenoy, giati pragmatika prokeitai gia logotexniko senario. O Prwqypoyrgos ep oydeni diamenei sto jenodoxeio poy anaferqhke sth Nea Yorkh kai fysika oyte me to poso poy dhmosiopoihqhke. Menei se ena lito jenodoxeio to opoio einai prosito kai fysika threi kai toys oroys asfaleias. Den exei kamia sxesh me to jenodoxeio poy anaferetai apo xqes. Oxi aplws den diamenei ekei o Prwqypoyrgos, alla den yphrxe pote oyte kamia epafh, oyte kamia skech gia na diamenei sto sygkekrimeno to jenodoxeio. Ta stoixeia qa doqoyn sth dhmosiothta.

Oson afora sto prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas, stis aitiaseis toy k. Samara o opoios gia allh mia fora exei jexasei poy apeyqynetai, giati apeyqynomenos sthn Koinoboyleytikh toy Omada kai prospaqwntas na peisei kai toys idioys toys boyleytes toy, toys eyrwboyleytes toy kai ta stelexh toy gi ayta ta opoia leei, qa eprepe na sebetai perissotero ton ellhniko lao. Qa eprepe na antilambanetai poy milaei kai enwpion poiwn, poy apeyqynetai kai na stamathsei olh ayth thn ejapathsh toy ellhnikoy laoy, legontas gia allh mia fora, oysiastika, oti qa mporoyse na ejaleicei to elleimma mesa sto 2011 kai malista xwris qysies. Ayto bebaia apefyge na to ejhghsei kai sthn Koinoboyleytikh toy Omada kai se mas. Ligh sobarothta parapanw den blaptei. Oson afora de stis aitiaseis toy k. Samara kai sthn proswpikh toy anafora ston Ellhna Prwqypoyrgo gia ta tajidia toy sto ejwteriko, profanws einai diaforetiko to prwqypoyrgiko protypo toy k. Samara apo toy k. Papandreoy. O k. Samaras exei ws prwqypoyrgiko protypo thn eikona toy k. Karamanlh. Enos atolmoy, anapofasistoy Prwqypoyrgoy, o opoios den tajideyei sto ejwteriko, den exei dieqneis epafes, einai akinhtos kai koyrasmenos. Profanws ayto to prwqypoyrgiko protypo ensternizetai o k. Samaras kai m ayto qelei na kybernhsei th xwra.

POLYMEROS: Qa epanelqw sto qema Samara. Sthn idia omilia, o k. Samaras kathgorhse ton Prwqypoyrgo kai eipe oti h diaxeirish poy epikaleitai o k. Papandreoy, ths dhmosias perioysias, mono ws enexyro qa mporoyse na thn dikaiologhsei h Nea Dhmokratia. Eseis ti apantate ston k. Samara;

PETALWTHS: Ena apo ta basika epixeirhmata poy eixe xrhsimopoihsei o k. Samaras gia to pws qa bgoyme apo thn krish, xwris na leei tipota omws epi ths oysias, ena epixeirhma to opoio htan ewlo, metewro kai apospasmatiko, htan h ajiopoihsh ths dhmosias perioysias. Emeis ep oydeni eipame oti me thn ajiopoihsh ths dhmosias perioysias mporoyme braxyproqesma na bgoyme apo thn krish. O Prwqypoyrgos eipe kai to leme kai prepei na to poyme oti einai aparaithto na ajiopoihqei h dhmosia perioysia. Exw janapei oti to egxeirhma ths ajiopoihshs ths dhmosias perioysias enexei polles dysxereies, dedomenoy oti exoyme mia sygkekrimenh kratikh domh, oti exoyme mia dhmosia perioysia h opoia einai en pollois akatagrapth, synepws, gia o,ti milame, milame gia makroproqesma. Alla kai o,ti mporoyme na ekmetalleyqoyme braxyproqesma - milame oxi gia ekpoihsh, alla gia ajiopoihsh ths ellhnikhs dhmosias yphresias- me ton kalytero tropo pros ofelos toy Ellhna polith kai me mono krithrio to dhmosio symferon, kati poy den ekane bebaia h Nea Dhmokratia. Giati h Nea Dhmokratia exei apodeijei kai sthn prajh -den xreiazetai qewrhtikh anazhthsh- kati poy o k. Samaras fainetai oti ensternizetai apo th stigmh poy den to kataggellei, to pws dhladh antilambanetai thn ajiopoihsh ths dhmosias perioysias. H ypoqesh Batopedioy einai to kalytero paradeigma gia to pws thn ajiopoioysan kai pws den metaniwnoyn akomh gi' ayta poy ekanan.

PAPPA: Me aformh thn ajiopoihsh ths dhmosias perioysias, loipon, qa hqela na mas peite an exete kati parapanw gi aythn thn ependysh apo Katar, poy diabazoyme shmera stis efhmerides kai antilambanomaste ws phgh plhroforias apo th Nea Yorkh, gia thn ajiopoihsh toy parkoy toy Ellhnikoy kai ths paraliakhs.

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei kamia leptomereia kai den problepetai kamia ajiopoihsh toy Ellhnikoy mesa s ayth th symbash, s ayth th symfwnia h opoiadhpote allh ajiopoihsh. Qa yparxei ena genikotero plaisio synergasias metajy twn dyo xwrwn kai oi leptomereies qa ejeidikeytoyn, otan prepei. Shmera to brady, se apogeymatinh wra Amerikhs, qa ypografei ena plaisio symfwnias anaptyjiakhs synergasias metajy ths Elladas kai toy Katar.

PAPPA: Lete, dhladh, oti den yparxei sto paketo ayto, sto plaisio synergasias to Ellhniko;

PETALWTHS: Qa ypografei ena plaisio synergasias, to opoio einai geniko.

MOSXOBAS: Dieykrinistika s ayto: Den perilambanetai lete to Ellhniko s ayto to plaisio synergasias. Ayto lete.

PETALWTHS: Einai ena genikotero plaisio synergasias metajy ths Elladas kai toy Katar.

MOSXOBAS: Mesa s ayto omws, mporei na symperilhfqoyn kai ependyseis. Edw diabazoyme kai gia to ycos twn ependysewn. Qa einai 5 dis eyrw... .. Yparxei tetoia skech apo to Katar;

PETALWTHS: Einai poly prowro na milhsoyme sygkekrimena gia ependyseis. Qa yparjei ena plaisio kai s ayto to plaisio h ellhnikh pleyra, alla kai h pleyra toy Katar, aytonohta, qa prospaqhsoyn na synergastoyn se polla epipeda kai fysika se anaptyjiako epipedo.

MOSXOBAS: Se kaqe periptwsh, opoiadhpote anaptyjh qa thn perimenoyme meta thn chfish toy fast track; Ypoqetw oti qelete kai ta antistoixa ergaleia gia na prowqhqei mia anaptyjiakh, ependytikh prwtoboylia.

PETALWTHS: Bebaiws. H chfish toy fast track einai to pio shmantiko ergaleio. Einai akribws ayto to ergaleio to opoio mas kanei na jepername tis pollaples dysxereies poy yparxoyn mexri twra kai poy htan enas apotreptikos logos gia toys jenoys kai toys Ellhnes ependytes na ependysoyn se sygkekrimenoys tomeis kai pros ofelos fysika ths ellhnikhs oikonomias.

MOSXOBAS: Pote qa ginei h chfish toy fast track, an qelete na mas peite;

PETALWTHS: Hdh exei perasei apo to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Qa perasei apo Epitroph kai qa chfistei fysika kai apo th Boylh twn Ellhnwn.

PAPPA: Mexri ton Oktwbrio dhladh;

PETALWTHS: Ayth th stigmh den mporw na sas pw xronika, alla h seira einai ayth kai pisteyw oti qa oloklhrwqei syntoma.

MOSXOBAS: Dedomenoy oti ayto to poso to ejomoiwsate kai o Prwqypoyrgos kai eseis gia logoys safws epikoinwniakoys, me to poso poy qa prokycei ws ofelos gia th xwra mas, an ajiopoihsoyme th dhmosia perioysia, sto ycos toy ellhnikoy xreoys, to syndesate aytonohtws gia na yparjei kai h aytomath diasyndesh sto myalo toy kaqe Ellhna polith. Mhpws arghsate na to proxwrhsete ayto ws prwtoboylia, ws skech; Jerw, katalabainw oti einai dyskolo ayto poy lete, alla giati qa eprepe na ftasoyme sthn ystath wra na anazhtoyme, sxedon na epaitoyme gia ependyseis sto ejwteriko, otan ayto htan gnwsto edw kai polla xronia.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap ola, na ypenqymisw oti eimaste enteka mhnes kybernhsh. Den einai h ystath wra. Prospaqoysame kai prospaqoyme na kanoyme shmantikotates allages. Prospaqoysame kai prospaqoyme na swsoyme th xwra. Tis politikes mas tis jediplwnoyme me toso taxeis ryqmoys poy kamia kybernhsh sto parelqon den qa mporoyse na dianohqei. H ajiopoihsh ths dhmosias perioysias einai ena poly megalo egxeirhma kai apaitei poly megalh prosoxh kai sobarothta. Den qa mporoysame na basistoyme oti braxyproqesma qa swsoyme th xwra me thn ajiopoihsh ayth. Prwta ap ola, einai ypoxrewsh toy kratoys na diafylajei thn perioysia toy, na thn prostateysei kai apo ekei kai pera na thn ajiopoihsei me ton kalytero tropo, etsi wste ta wfelhmata poy qa proelqoyn ap ayth thn ajiopoihsh na einai pros ofelos toy Ellhna polith. Den einai h ystath wra. Einai mia megalh prospaqeia poy jekiname. Oyte fysika basizomastan sthn ajiopoihsh ths dhmosias perioysias gia na swsoyme otidhpote. Alla einai stoixeiwdhs kai aytonohth ypoxrewsh kai panw s ayto ginontai kai ta texnika bhmata.

MIXAHL: Mporeite na mas peite se poia fash brisketai h ependysh toy Emiratoy toy Katar ston Astako; Proxwraei, exoyn perasei ta texnika zhthmata, pote qa jekinhsei;

PETALWTHS: Otan yparxei kati anakoinwsimo qa sas to anaferw.

STRATAKHS: Dyo erwthseis, h mia epi toy qematos. Me allh xwra ypografoyme analogo plaisio anaptyjiakhs synergasias eite sthn Amerikh eite ayto to diasthma;

PETALWTHS: Stis episkeceis poy pragmatopoihse o Prwqypoyrgos olo ayto to diasthma kai opoy yphrxan wrimes synqhkes, exoyn ypografei plaisia synergasias kai symfwnies, opws gia paradeigma me th Libyh.

STRATAKHS: Na epanelqw se ena qema poy eteqh nwritera apo synadelfoys. Pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh th shmerinh topoqethsh toy Antwnh Samara sthn Koinoboyleytikh toy Omada oti qa zhthsei th systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs gia thn oikonomia thn periodo twn kybernhsewn toy PASOK kai pws sxoliazei epishs h kybernhsh thn apofash toy prwhn Prwqypoyrgoy Kwsta Karamanlh na apanthsei sthn Proanakritikh me epistolh;

PETALWTHS: Oson afora to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, den exoyme na sxoliasoyme kati. Yphrxe mia omofwnh apofash malista ths Prokatarktikhs Epitrophs ths Boylhs me toys symmetexontes politikoys sxhmatismoys kai s ayth thn apofash, o k. Karamanlhs, o prwhn Prwqypoyrgos, exei antapokriqei me ayton ton tropo, dhladh qa apanthsei me epistolh. Den exoyme kanena sxolio. Elpizoyme oti qa symbalei sthn ejakribwsh ths alhqeias kai oti ayto qa bohqhsei sto ergo ths Prokatarktikhs Epitrophs.

H topoqethsh toy k. Samara shmera sthn K.O. ws pros th systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs gia to mnhmonio kai gia to pws fqasame mexri edw einai profanws meros mias taktikhs poy epeleje, prokeimenoy na peisei toys boyleytes kai ta stelexh toy oti mporei na arqrwsei politiko logo. Einai safestata mia ypekfygh kai kyriws einai mia ejapathsh toy ellhnikoy laoy o opoios gnwrizei para poly kala pws fqasame mexri edw, pws fqasame sto xeilos ths xreokopias, pws paredwse th xwra h kybernhsh sthn opoia htan ypoyrgos o k. Samaras. Kai thn paredwse giati den mporoyse na diekperaiwsei ta stoixeiwdh meta thn katastrofh poy epefere sth xwra h kybernhsh Karamanlh. Synepws, tetoioy eidoys ypekfyges, opws to na kanoyme ejetastikh gia to ti ginetai shmera einai safes oti o ellhnikos laos oxi aplws den mporei na tis dexqei alla einai safes oti ejapatoyn ton ellhniko lao. Ean nomizei o k. Samaras oti me aytoy toy eidoys thn taktikh, me aytoy toy eidoys tis politikes mporei na proxwrhsei mprosta to komma ths N.D. einai dikaiwma toy. Alla ektos apo ton ellhniko lao ypoqetw, ypopteyomai, oti ypotima kai thn nohmosynh twn boyleytwn toy kai ayto nomizw oti einai kai to pio akraio poy ekane shmera o k. Samaras.

QEWDOROPOYLOS: O k. Papandreoy xqes milwntas sthn Nea Yorkh eipe oti qa ejasfalisei eidiko forologiko dekaetes kaqestws gia tis ependyseis fast track. Ayto shmainei oti qa meiwqei h forologia gia toys jenoys ependytes katw apo 20%;

PETALWTHS: Den mporw na sas pw leptomereies. Einai mia skech. Einai omws dedomeno oti qa prepei na dwsoyme kinhtra se ependytes oi opoioi qa erqoyn na ependysoyn sth xwra mas kai fysika xwris na kanoyme kamia ekptwsh oyte stis arxes toy kratoys mas alla oyte kai sth basikh arxh oti opoiadhpote ependysh poy qa prepei na ginetai qa einai pros ofelos ths ellhnikhs oikonomias kai en telei pros ofelos toy ellhna polith.

QEWDOROPOYLOS: Qa syndyastei kai me allages stis ergasiakes sxeseis to nomosxedio gia to fast track. Na qewrhsoyme oti oi epixeirhsiakes symbaseis opws prowqei to ypoyrgeio ergasias qa einai panw apo th genikh syllogikh symbash ergasias;

PETALWTHS: Oi ergasiakes sxeseis einai ena qema me to opoio exoyme asxolhqei para poly. Einai ena qema poy apasxolei thn ellhnikh kybernhsh kai prospaqoyme mesa se aytes tis dyskoles synqhkes kai tis egxwries kai tis dieqneis na diatypwsoyme tetoies politikes apofaseis poy qa prostateyoyn prwta ap ola thn ergasia, to dhmosio symferon kai thn ellhnikh oikonomia.

SPANOY: Yparxei ellhniko aithma gia epimhkynsh toy xronoy apoplhrwmhs twn ellhnikwn daneiwn;

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei kanena tetoio aithma kai malista otan tetoio aithma syndeetai dhmosiografika kai me paratash toy mnhmonioy. Emeis ayto poy dhlwnoyme kathgorhmatika einai oti throyme aparegklita toys stoxoys poy exoyme qesei sto programma staqerothtas, toys politikoys stoxoys kai toys oikonomikoys poy exoyme qesei kai me bash ayto to programma blepoyme oti eyriskomenoi mesa stoys stoxoys mas, yparxei prooptikh na bgoyme apo thn krish kai malista mesa sto 2013.

KOYTRAS: Ean den yparjei paratash toy mnhmonioy qa zhthsete paratash toy xronoy apoplhrwmhs twn daneiwn;

PETALWTHS: Den prokeitai na yparjei paratash toy mnhmonioy. Eimaste kathgorhmatikoi kai fysika den tiqetai zhthma epimhkynshs toy xronoy apoplhrwmhs.

MOSXOBAS: Giati dyo metra kai dyo staqma, kyrie Ekproswpe, gia toys dyo prwhn prwqypoyrgoys, enan prwhn kai enan tews; Xqes, eseis eipate oti ean den kaloysame enan oysiwdh martyra, qa htan san sygkalyptame thn ypoqesh gia to Batopedi. Antistoixws, oysiwdhs martyras den einai kai o k. Shmiths; Den qa mporoyse na htan kai o k. Shmiths epi prwqypoyrgias toy opoioy, anqrwpoi dikoi toy paradexqhkan oti phran mizes apo th Siemens; Giati kanate ayto to diaxwrismo, epikaloymenoi - o proedros ths Epitrophs, dhladh, o k. Balyrakhs- mia apofash typikh poy eixe parei h Epitroph, plhn toy LA.O.S., na mhn kaloyntai prwhn prwqypoyrgoi, ean den yparxoyn adiaseista stoixeia. Me bash thn arxh poy eseis o idios diatypwsate xqes, qa mporoyse na exei klhqei kai o k. Shmiths.

PETALWTHS: Tonizw gia mia akoma fora oti kai gia toys prwhn prwqypoyrgoys kai gia toys prwhn ypoyrgoys kai gia oloys prepei na isxyoyn oi ryqmiseis poy isxyoyn gia oloys toys Ellhnes polites. Den mporei na yparxoyn polites prwths kai deyterhs kathgorias mesa sth xwra mas. Kai ayth einai h arxh me thn opoia poreyomaste kai se ayta ta zhthmata twn ejetastikwn epitropwn. Apo kei kai pera, omws, ayto den shmainei oti epeidh kriqhke oti qa prepei na klhqei o k. Karamanlhs na kataqesei ws martyras, qa prepei na kaloyntai syllhbdhn oloi oi prwhn prwqypoyrgoi. Otan yparxoyn stoixeia, ta opoia pragmatika teinoyn sthn anagkaiothta ths klhshs, aytes oi klhteyseis safws kai mesa sto plaisio ths nomimothtas, prepei na ginontai. Ayto, omws, den shmainei oti qa prepei na isopedwnoyme ta panta. Ta stoixeia apoteloyn aparaithth proypoqesh prokeimenoy na yparxoyn aytes oi klhteyseis.

MOSXOBAS: Antilambaneste omws oti qa mporoysate na eiste peistikoi, ws kybernhsh ennow, an synebaine to antiqeto. An eixe klhteyqei o k. Shmiths kai oxi o k. Karamanlhs. Twra, fainetai oti...

PETALWTHS: Gia na fanoyme peistikoi den qa mporoyme na allajoyme oyte thn tajh, oyte th dynatothta diereynhshs ths alhqeias. Edw to zhtoymeno einai na diereynhqei h alhqeia. H diereynhsh ths alhqeias den mporei na xwresei se kanena epikoinwniako texnasma kai se kamia aisqhsh poy qa prepei na dwsoyme oti kaloyme h den kaloyme prwhn prwqypoyrgoys. Efoson yparxoyn stoixeia, qa kaloyntai oi pantes. Ayto einai dedomeno. Ws pros ton k. Shmith, h ejetastikh epitroph stis 14 Septembrioy apofasise, diegnwse oti den yparxoyn stoixeia gia na klhqei o k. Shmiths. Einai para poly jekaqaro.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Eseis hsastan melos ths prwths ejetastikhs gia to qema toy Batopedioy. Ftasame twra na eimaste ena xrono meta kai akoma h ejetastikh h proanakritikh epitroph den exei kanei apotimhsh toy an yphrje zhmia toy dhmosioy. Ayto den einai ena poly megalo laqos;

PETALWTHS: Hdh, to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn, oxi twra, enocei ths proanakritikhs epitrophs, alla se xrono anypopto, prin apo mhnes, exei dwsei entolh se pragmatognwmones na ektimhsoyn thn ajia twn akinhtwn poy anthllaghsan, alla kai th zhmia poy exei epiferei ayth h skandalwdhs antallagh kai to jepoylhma ths dhmosias perioysias sto ellhniko dhmosio. Me bash ayth thn antikeimenikh pragmatognwmosynh kineitai, hdh, dikastika. Hdh yparxei agwgh. Kai bebaiws qa yparjei kai leptomerhs perigrafh ths zhmias thn opoia ypesth to ellhniko dhmosio. Pantws, h entolh hdh exei doqei kai oi pragmatognwmones doyleyoyn.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Alla, twra doyleyoyn oi pragmatognwmones.

PETALWTHS: Oxi twra. H entolh doqhke prin apo kapoio xroniko diasthma, mporw na sas pw kai sygkekrimena stoixeia kai ektote ergazontai.

POLYMEROS: Perimename na chfistei to nomosxedio gia thn apeleyqerwsh toy epaggelmatos twn forthgwn kai legame oti qa lhjei h apergia, qa apeleyqerwqoyn oi dromoi kai qa pacoyme na eimaste omhroi stoys forthgatzhdes. Shmera, blepoyme akribws to antiqeto. Enisxyontai ta mploka toys meta thn chfish toy nomosxedioy. Skopeyei h kybernhsh na mpei dynamika kai apotelesmatika se ayth th lhjh ths apergias;

PETALWTHS: H dikh mas ektimhsh einai h ejhs: O nomos gia to anoigma aytoy toy epaggelmatos, einai nomos toy kratoys. Exei teleiwsei. Kinhqhkame me apofasistikothta kai cyxraimia, gi` ayto fqasame mexri edw. Oi dromoi einai eleyqeroi, h kykloforia twn proswpwn h twn proiontwn ginetai anempodista. Opoy yparxoyn kataggelies h opoy qewreitai oti teleitai poiniko adikhma h opoiodhpote allo adikhma panw se ayto to qema, to kratos diaqetei toys mhxanismoys kai fysika qa epilambanetai h Dikaiosynh, prokeimenoy na mhn epitrecei na ginetai h koinwnia omhros kanenos. Alla, h ektimhsh mas einai diaforetikh ap` ayth poy lete. H ektimhsh mas einai oti kleinei to olon zhthma me tis kalyteres proypoqeseis kai synqhkes.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Hqela na rwthsw, ean yparxei ontws mia tropologia sto nomosxedio gia thn aktoploia poy dinei paratash sto xrono zwhs twn ploiwn, etsi wste na mhn exoyme tis aposyrseis ploiwn typoy ``DHMHTROYLA'', poy jepernoyn ta 35 xronia, pia, alla na mporoyn kai ayta na mpainoyn stoys diagwnismoys gia tis aktoploikes grammes.

PETALWTHS: Se poio nomosxedio anafereste;

ZAFEIRIADOY: Sto nomosxedio poy perase xqes gia thn apeleyqerwsh twn metaforwn.

PETALWTHS: Den to gnwrizw, mporw na to dw, omws, kai na sas apanthsw.

MOSXOBAS: Th symfwnia me to Katar, ayth thn anaptyjiakh, poios qa thn ypogracei apo ellhnikhs pleyras;

PETALWTHS: Den exoyn oloklhrwqei oi leptomereies. Qa ypografei peripoy stis 23.00 wra Elladas.

KOYTRAS: Qelw na sas rwthsw ean isxyei ayto poy eipe o Prwqypoyrgos sto ROITERS, oti den qa yparxei ayjhsh sto FPA. Kai epeidh apo ayta poy eipe o k. Papandreoy, sto ROITERS epishs, katalabainoyme oti einai etoimo to sxedio gia tis sygxwneyseis twn trapezwn, pote qa anakoinwqei;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, ws pros to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, emeis eixame milhsei, h ellhnikh kybernhsh exei parotrynei gia tis sygxwneyseis trapezwn, etsi wste na yparxei ena isxyro trapeziko systhma, poy qa enisxysei thn ellhnikh oikonomia. Exoyme milhsei akomh kai gia isxyro dhmosio pylwna toy trapezikoy systhmatos. Ws pros th mh ayjhsh toy FPA, to leme edw kai para poly kairo oti kyrio melhma mas einai - gi` ayto akribws eixan emfanistei kai tria enallaktika senaria - na mhn ayjhqei o FPA, toylaxiston se proionta prwths anagkhs, etsi opws htan dromologhmeno, giati frontizoyme kai einai aytonohth ypoxrewsh mas, na prostateyoyme to eisodhma toy Ellhna polith, briskontas alloys isodynamoys enallaktikoys tropoys.

KOYTRAS: Sygnwmh, poios qa einai o isodynamos tropos; Exete katalhjei;

PETALWTHS: Otan katalhjoyme qa to anakoinwsoyme.

STRATAKHS: Mias kai phgame sto FPA, exoyn mpei mprosta oi diadikasies apo pleyras kybernhshs, gia to sthsimo toy mhxanismoy ekeinoy poy qa katagracei toys anajiopaqoyntes polites ths xwras, oytws wste na efarmostei sto petrelaio h ejiswsh ths timhs toy qermansews, me toy kinhsews; Exei mpei mprosta h diadikasia na ftiaxnetai o mhxanismos, dhladh;

PETALWTHS: Qa prepei prwta na yparjei apofash, prokeimenoy na ejiswqei to petrelaio qermanshs. Kai fysika yparxoyn tropoi apo to dhmosio na diakribwqoyn ola ta stoixeia.

STRATAKHS: Ma, eseis lete oti ws proypoqesh...

PETALWTHS: Eixa pei oti qa prepei na wrimasoyn oi synqhkes gia na eimaste sigoyroi poioi mporoyn na prostateyqoyn, poioi prepei na prostateyqoyn. To dhmosio exei toys tropoys, exei tis meqodoys kai qa tis efarmosei, otan xreiastei.

STRATAKHS: Exoyme mpei dhladh se diadikasia wrimanshs;

PETALWTHS: Otan wrimasei qa to doyme.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Apokleietai ayjhsh toy FPA apo to 11%, gia proionta, sto 13% h se kapoio allo pososto;

PETALWTHS: Sas anefera oti yparxoyn senaria. Ta senaria teinoyn sto na mhn ayjhqei o FPA, etsi opws htan dromologhmeno kai ayto qa to kanoyme.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Malista. Dromologhmeno htan na ayjhqei, na paei apo to 11% sto 23%.

PETALWTHS: Sas anefera, oti gia na mh ginei kati tetoio, yphrxan kai yparxoyn enallaktikes lyseis.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Ara, den apokleietai merikh ayjhsh.

PETALWTHS: Opoio senario qa prokriqei, qa anakoinwqei kiolas. Qa apofasistei kai qa anakoinwqei.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Hqela na sas rwthsw pote qa katateqei sth Boylh to nomosxedio gia ton OSE;

PETALWTHS: Syntoma. Hdh exei perasei apo to ypoyrgiko symboylio kai entos twn hmerwn qa katateqei sthn epitroph gia thn analogh epejergasia, syzhthsh kai epeita kanonika sthn Olomeleia ths Boylhs.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, anaferqhkate nwritera sthn anagkh, na dwsoyme kinhtra se ependytes poy qa erqoyn sth xwra mas. Ayta ta kinhtra qa isxyoyn gia ependytes entos ths xwras mas;

PETALWTHS: Kai sthn eishghsh moy anaferqhka stis jenes kai egxwries ependyseis. Mporei na yparxei diakrish, den to gnwrizw, akomh, ayth th stigmh. Pantws, ayto poy mas endiaferei einai na yparjoyn ependyseis. Na yparjoyn tetoies ependyseis, etsi wste na enisxyqei h ellhnikh oikonomia, na enisxyqei to dhmosio symferon kai o Ellhnas poliths.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Me aformh th dhlwsh toy k. Pagkaloy, proxqes sth Boylh, oti ``ta fagame oloi mazi'', qewrei h kybernhsh oti oi Ellhnes polites exoyn faei tosa xrhmata, wste na dhmioyrghsan aytoi ta elleimmata kai to dhmosio xreos;

PETALWTHS: Prwton, o k. Pagkalos, den eipe ayto. Eipe kati allo, apantwntas se erwthsh gia toys dhmosioys ypallhloys. Deyteron, apanthsa xqes.

MOSXOBAS: Xqes, o k. Loberdos, o neos ypoyrgos Ygeias, synanthqhke me dioikhtes nosokomeiwn, oi opoioi toy periegracan mia aqlia katastash. Na ypoqesw oti oi prohgoymenoi 11 mhnes diakybernhshs PASOK, phgan xamenoi; Dioti einai katastaseis poy xronizoyn men, alla den eidame kai kati, de. Akoysame ta idia poy akoyme kaqe fora, otan tiqetai qema ygeias.

PETALWTHS: Oi elleiceis kai oi paqogeneis katastaseis twn ellhnikwn nosokomeiwn einai gnwstes. Einai toso megales, poy den lynontai en mia nykti. Xreiazontai megala bhmata, tolmhra kai apofasistika. Enteka mhnes h kybernhsh prospaqhse na symmazecei ta oikonomika twn nosokomeiwn, giati einai mia terastia ``mayrh trypa''. Prospaqhse kai to katafere na stamathsei ekeinoys toys mhxanismoys, mexri se ena baqmo, fysika, den einai eykolo, oi opoioi rokanizan to dhmosio xrhma kai to rokanizoyn akomh. Alla, epeidh kati tetoio den einai eykolo, toylaxiston enas prwtos periorismos egine. Kai fysika me tis syntages kai th syntagografhsh sta dhmosia nosokomeia egine ena poly megalo bhma. Yparxoyn mia seira apo tolmhres apofaseis, poy qa feroyn to dhmosio systhma ygeias se ena epiqymhto apotelesma. Alla, safws kai den phge xamenos o xronos twn 11 mhnwn, giati eginan poly shmantika bhmata.

MOSXOBAS: Kai epeidh briskomaste se synqhkes krishs, isws kai kapoies apofaseis qa eprepe na exoyn lhfqei poly grhgorotera. Enteka mhnes einai para polloi, gia na diapistwqoyn ta idia pragmata...

PETALWTHS: Kai eginan para polla. Emeis den miloysame gia diapistwseis, miloysame gia parembaseis poy eginan. Kai aytes oi parembaseis exoyn anakoinwqei kata diasthmata.

MOSXOBAS: Nai, aytes oi parembaseis profanws den exoyn allajei ta dedomena, ta opoia isxyan epi dekaeties. Otan leei o dioikhths enos nosokomeioy oti peftoyn sobades apo ta tabania, sta kefalia twn asqenwn, den xreiazotan oyte h krish oyte h allagh ypoyrgoy gia na ginei kati.

PETALWTHS: Eseis ti lete; Oti etsi aytomata ginontai aytes oi megales allages h etsi aytomata stamatoyn ta nosokomeia na exoyn problhmata; Kai en pash periptwsei exoyme na kanoyme poly megala bhmata sto dhmosio systhma ygeias. Kai qa prepei na mhn periorizoyme ton orizonta twn megalwn allagwn. Ean fqasoyme stis leptomereies, qa qymhqoyme kai thn katsarida poy edeixnan prin to 2004 ston k. Karamanlh, opoy htan h emblhmatikh toy anafora sto dhmosio systhma ygeias, blepontas fysika ti ekane meta. Qelw na pw oti tetoioy eidoys synqhkes mporei na epikratoyn sta dhmosia nosokomeia. Oloi mas gnwrizoyme oti to systhma ygeias exei ftasei se ena baqmo o opoios kaqe allo para o epiqymhtos einai. Xreiazontai megales allages, poy shmainei oti xreiazetai kai perissoteros xronos. Kaneis den amfisbhtei, dhladh, ayth thn katastash.

STRATAKHS: Ep` aytoy: Qewroyn oloi oi emplekomenoi sto xwro twn nosokomeiwn oti ena apo ta arnhtika, oson afora th spatalh kai th diaspaqish toy dhmosioy xrhmatos, einai h elleich mhxanorganwshs. Yp` aytes tis ektaktes, loipon, synqhkes h kybernhsh bazei ayto to ergo se proteraiothta kai ypo tis synqhkes poy ebale ta olympiaka erga, gia na proxwrhsei ayth h mhxanorganwsh;

PETALWTHS: Ontws, h mhxanorganwsh einai ekeinos o mhxanismos kai ekeinos o tropos poy qa frenarei thn kataspatalhsh twn dhmosiwn dapanwn sta nosokomeia kai einai proteraiothta ths kybernhshs. Ayto einai safes.

Kalo apogeyma.

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