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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 6 Septembrioy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 287558974

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 6 Septembrioy 2010

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri kai kalh ebdomada.

Xqes, opws gnwrizete, anakoinwqhkan oi ypochfiothtes twn proswpwn poy qa klhqoyn na yphrethsoyn tis topikes dieyrymenes koinwnies, ypo to neo qesmo toy ``KALLIKRATH'' kai sth megalh toys pleiochfia proerxontai apo thn Topikh Aytodioikhsh, exoyn prosferei ergo kai exoyn afhsei to stigma toys stis koinwnies opoy yphrethsan. Oi anabaqmismenes, pleon, perifereies kai mporoyn kai prepei na apotelesoyn kinhthrioys moxloys ths anaptyjhs ths xwras mas.

Kaloyme, loipon, kai toys ypochfioys twn allwn kommatwn na antilhfqoyn kai na ensternistoyn tis megales allages toy ``KALLIKRATH'' kai na taxqoyn ston koino skopo, tis anagkes kai th dica twn politwn gia kati, epiteloys, diaforetiko poy gennietai sthn Topikh Aytodioikhsh kai eyrytera.

Giati ayto einai o ``KALLIKRATHS'': Ena megalo bhma gia thn anamorfwsh twn perifereiwn, thn energo symmetoxh toys sthn antimetwpish twn problhmatwn toy Dhmosioy, sthn anatajh toy kai thn epanafora toy polith sto epikentro ths politikhs. Dystyxws, ayto kapoioi arnoyntai na to antilhfqoyn leitoyrgwntas me oroys parelqontos, pelateiakoys kai palaiokommatikoys, prospaqwntas na metaferoyn tis erides ths kentrikhs politikhs skhnhs stis shmantikes, gia to mellon ths perifereias, ekloges epidiwkontas panikoblhtoi mia dhqen apodokimasia ths kybernhtikhs politikhs.

Etsi antilambanontai to mellon: me politikh bgalmenh apo to parelqon. To mono poy katafernoyn me ayto ton tropo, einai na achfoyn th boylhsh twn politwn gia allagh sto epiteliko kratos, thn aytodioikhsh kai th dioikhsh genikotera, gia allagh stoys qesmoys kai tis domes ths koinwnias kai en telei gia allagh nootropias olwn mas.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Mporeite na mas peite pote qa ginei anasxhmatismos kai ti eyros qa exei;

PETALWTHS: Ean yparxoyn anakoinwseis gia anasxhmatismo h gia opoiesdhpote alles allages, qa enhmerwqeite.

POLYMERHS: Entos ths hmeras;

PETALWTHS: Sas apanthsa. Ean yparxoyn qa enhmerwqeite.

MOSXOBAS: Eipate prin oti kapoioi me oroys palaiokommatikoys antimetwpizoyn ton ``KALLIKRATH''. Fantazomai oti anafereste kai se aytoys apo to PASOK poy eipan oxi, ypoyrgoys kai boyleytes. H oxi ;

PETALWTHS: Anaferomai sta kommata ths antipoliteyshs, ston tropo poy antilambanontai aytes tis ekloges, prokeimenoy na bgoyn apo thn anasfaleia kai thn anyparjia toys.

MOSXOBAS: Gia toys ypochfioys poy protaqhkan apo thn epitroph anadeijhs kai ton k. Papandreoy kai eipan oxi, dhladh stoys boyleytes kai toys ypoyrgoys poy eipan oxi sthn ypochfiothta toys, ti sxolio exei shmera h kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: Yphrxe mia diadikasia epiloghs h opoio etiqeto mesa se genikotera plaisia, me sygkekrimena krithria. Kai ta krithria ayta, me tis epiloges poy eginan, yphrethqhkan me ton kalytero tropo.

MOSXOBAS: Allo sas rwthsa egw. Kalese o Prwqypoyrgos kapoioys kai toys eipe na pane se kapoies perifereies h dhmoys kai toy apanthsan oxi. Ypoyrgoi, boyleytes, stelexh. Einai ikanopoihmeno to Megaro Majimoy;

PETALWTHS: Ayto to lete eseis. H proseggish poy egine kai apo thn epitroph poy htan armodia kai apo ton Prwqypoyrgo, htan proseggish me sygkekrimena krithria. To exw pei kai qa to epanalabw: Ean ta proswpa einai ikana, ean qeloyn na yphrethsoyn mesa apo ton sygkekrimeno qesmo thn politikh, eidikotera thn perifereiakh kai thn topikh aytodioikhsh kai fysika na yparxoyn oles ekeines oi proypoqeseis etsi wste sto proswpo toys na sygklinoyn eyryteres koinwnikes dynameis. Alla, safws kai proypoqesh einai na qelei kapoios na yphrethsei ton sygkekrimeno qesmo. Emeis eimaste aytoi poy par oles tis dyskoles stigmes poy pernaei h xwra mas, kaname thn pragmatikh epanastash, fernontas ena neo aytodioikhtiko xarth sth xwra.

MOSXOBAS: Na epimeinw ligo se ayto, epeidh eipate ``an qeloyn''. Den to hjere o Prwqypoyrgos, h epitroph oti den hqelan; Afoy eixan ekdhlwsei tis antidraseis, tis antirrhseis toys se progenestero xrono.

PETALWTHS: To PASOK einai ena kinhma, me proswpa poy exoyn dikh toys boylhsh. Ginetai syzhthsh, den exoyme strateymena chfodeltia opws exoyn alla kommata kai fysika den yphrxe periptwsh na topoqethqoyn anqrwpoi, oi opoioi pisteyoyn oti se allo posto h apo allh qesh qa mporoysan na prosferoyn kalytera.

MOSXOBAS: Oson afora toys ypoyrgoys poy eipan oxi, na perimenoyme na einai sto kybernhtiko sxhma h oxi;

PETALWTHS: Den tiqetai tetoio zhthma. Sas eipa oti an yparxoyn allages sto kybernhtiko sxhma, qa enhmerwqeite.

MOSXOBAS: Qa einai mesa;

PETALWTHS: Sas apanthsa.

MOSXOBAS: Oxi, ean qa einai mesa, den moy apanthsate. Ean qa ginei anasxhmatismos...

PETALWTHS: Sas eipa oti ean yparjoyn allages, qa enhmerwqeite.

PAPPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, oi arnhseis toswn kybernhtikwn stelexwn den ypobaqmizoyn ton qesmo, katarxas, poy o idios o Prwqypoyrgos shkwse poly chla ton phxh, milwntas gia perifereiarxes poy einai isotimoi ypoyrgwn; Kai deyteron, den dhmioyrgoyn parallhla kai ena klima httopaqeias, otan mia seira apo kybernhtika stelexh lene oti emeis den strateyomaste se ayth thn maxh;

PETALWTHS: To na dhlwsei kapoios oti den pisteyei oti mporei na prosferei apo mia sygkekrimenh aytodioikhtikh qesh, den dhlwnei oyte httopaqeia, oyte shmainei arnhsh na analabei kapoioys roloys efoson yparxei tetoia apofash apo ton Prwqypoyrgo h apo to Kinhma. Alla sta plaisia mias eyryterhs proseggishs, kaqenas mporei na ekfrasei thn apoch toy, na ekfrasei th boylhsh toy. Kai fysika emeis den blepoyme ayton to neo qesmo ths aytodioikhshs se sxesh mono me ta proswpa, ton blepoyme poly eyrytera. Kai alimono ean, pisteyontas se mia tetoia epanastash sthn aytodioikhsh, opws einai o ``KALLIKRATHS'', thn taytizame apokleistika me proswpa. Emeis eixame xreos na dhmioyrghsoyme toys qesmoys. Ta proswpa erxontai kai parerxontai. Yparxoyn polla proswpa kai to PASOK eytyxws, diaqetei para polla proswpa kai idiaitera se aytodioikhtiko epipedo, poy mporoyn na yphrethsoyn me ton kalytero tropo kai me tis kalyteres prooptikes ayton to neo qesmo.

PAPPA: H diadikasia poy epilexqhke den qewreite oti traymatizei thn kybernhsh; Dhladh epafes qa mporoysan na ginoyn kai sto paraskhnio xwris na bgainei mia seira apo stelexh sas na aporriptoyn thn protash toy Prwqypoyrgoy, h diadikasia ayth den bgazei ton Prwqypoyrgo apodynamwmeno;

PETALWTHS: Sas eipa oti eimaste Kinhma to opoio syzhtaei, eimaste Kinhma poy den pisteyei se strateymenoys politikoys, oi opoioi aplws phgainoyn opoy toys topoqetei o arxhgos toys. Sto plaisio ayto eginan aytes oi diadikasies. To symperasma gia emas einai oti eginan me ton kalytero tropo.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qelw na sas kanw mia erwthsh kai thn apanthsh sas qa thn krathsw gia to brady twn topikwn eklogwn. Ean ``prasinisei'' o xarths to brady twn eklogwn gia ton ``KALLIKRATH'', qa bgeite na peite oti einai chfos empistosynhs toy ellhnikoy laoy sthn politikh poy akoloyqei h kybernhsh h oxi;

PETALWTHS: Emeis qetoyme sygkekrimena zhthmata. Kai epeidh to diakybeyma aytwn twn eklogwn einai oi megales allages poy ginontai, eidika sthn aytodioikhsh me ameses proektaseis kai sto epiteliko kratos, gia ayto akribws kathgoroyme kai katakrinoyme th Nea Dhmokratia poy mesa apo thn epilogh kai mesa apo aytes tis aytodioikhtikes - kai fysika akrws politikes - ekloges prospaqei na jeperasei thn anyparjia ths kai tis eswterikes ths erides, qetontas zhthma ``Mnhmonio h anti-Mnhmonio''. Emeis qetoyme sygkekrimena zhthmata kai leme oti to diakybeyma einai: Allagh sthn aytodioikhsh, allagh sto epiteliko kratos, allagh sth dioikhsh genikotera. Ayto krinetai apo aytes tis ekloges, apo ta proswpa poy qa epilegoyn. To eixa pei polles fores kai to epanalambanoyme: einai shmantiko gia emas to poia proswpa qa epilegoyn stis ekloges toy Noembrioy gia na trabhjoyn mprosta ayton ton qesmo. Kai fysika h ikanothta toys qa apodeixqei kai sto mellon.

SEGKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mhpws h kybernhsh prospaqei na sygkrothsei stis topikes ekloges mia symmaxia twn kommatwn poy sthrizoyn to Mnhmonio, opws epibebaiwnei h koinh sas sthrijh ston Petro Tatoylh mazi me ton LAOS, poy epishs chfise to Mnhmonio;

PETALWTHS: H logikh toy sthrizoyme h den sthrizoyme to Mnhmonio, einai plasmatikh. Einai mia logikh poy einai plasth, den exei kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Gia ayto akribws eimaste makria apo opoiadhpote tetoia logikh. Ayto eipa prohgoymenws. Gia emas kai h logikh aytwn twn eklogwn einai diaforetikh kai to diakybeyma einai teleiws diaforetiko. Ayto to dillhma, to opoio einai dillhma ejapathshs toy ellhnikoy laoy apo dynameis poy den diaqetoyn politikh tetoia wste na mporoyn na proseggisoyn tis pragmatikes anagkes toy laoy kai oi opoies den pisteyoyn sthn aytodioikhsh, gia mas einai jeno. Opoios bazei ayto to dillhma, deixnei oti den pisteyei sthn Topikh Aytodioikhsh. Emeis pisteyoyme.

KALLARITHS: Gia enan qesmo ston opoio dinete tosh shmasia, pisteyete oti sthn Peloponnhso px apo ola ta stelexh toy PASOK poy eixate sth diaqesh sas, aytos o opoios mporei na ekproswphsei kalytera kai na dwsei ton agwna gia ton qesmo, einai ena proswpo alloy kommatos, o k. Tatoylhs;

PETALWTHS: Sas anefera, oti epilejame me sygkekrimena xarakthristika: Ta proswpa poy sthrizoyme prepei na pisteyoyn se ayton ton neo qesmo kai fysika na mporoyn sto proswpo toys na sygklinoyn eyryteres koinwnikes dynameis. Me ayta ta krithria apofasisame na sthrijoyme ton syndyasmo ``Nea Peloponnhsos''.

MIXAHL :Kyrie Ekproswpe, exoyme orismena dedomena: tria melh ths kybernhshs oristhkan ypochfioi gia tis perifereiakes ekloges. To erwthma moy einai: Qa antikatastaqoyn ayta ta melh, toylaxiston gia to epomeno diasthma; Kai deyteron: Isxyei h qesh sas oti qa ginei men antikatastash kai oxi anasxediasmos olhs ths morfhs toy kybernhtikoy sxhmatos;

PETALWTHS: Sas eipa prohgoymenws oti ean ginoyn allages, qa enhmerwqeite.

MIXAHL: Lete ``ean ginoyn allages''. Oi treis dhladh mporoyn na mhn anaplhrwqoyn;

PETALWTHS: Ean kai otan ginoyn allages, qa enhmerwqeite. Prosqetw kai to ``otan'' poy einai xronikoypoqetiko gia na sas kalyptei.

SPANOY: To paraskhnio poy prokalese kai thn polywrh kaqysterhsh ths anakoinwshs twn onomatwn, pisteyete oti tima to Kinhma sas ;

PETALWTHS: H polywrh kaqysterhsh poia htan akribws;

SPANOY: Eprokeito na anakoinwqoyn stis 10:30 - 11:00 to prwi kai anakoinwqhkan to meshmeri.

PETALWTHS: Den yphrje polywrh kaqysterhsh, opws anaferete. Oi diadikasies eixan jekinhsei edw kai kairo. Yparxei qesmoqethmeno organo sto PASOK - to gnwrizoyme oloi - to opoio qa eprepe stis epiloges toy na exei kai th sfragida toy Proedroy toy Kinhmatos kai Prwqypoyrgoy, G. Papandreoy. Opws eipa kai prohgoymenws, to PASOK einai ena anoixto komma, anoixto sth syzhthsh, anoixto stis idees, tis apoceis kai den yphrxe periptwsh na epibaloyme, na strateysoyme me th stenh ennoia toy oroy, anqrwpoys poy pisteyan oti den mporoyn na prosferoyn apo th qesh ayth ston qesmo ths Topikhs Aytodioikhshs.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Apo tis diergasies poy eginan antilhfqhkame to ejhs: Kanate kapoia gkalop kai meta kaloyse h armodia epitroph kai o k. Papandreoy kapoia stelexh sthn Ippokratoys kai toys elege oti symfwna me ta gkalop kerdizoyn tis perifereies aytes, ara gi` ayto to logo prepei na einai ypochfioi. Giati sthn Aqhna den elhfqh ayto to dedomeno, ayto to stoixeio en pash periptwsei ypoch kai epilexqhke enas ypochfios o opoios ypoleipetai safws, toylaxiston symfwna me tis ektimhseis kai tis metrhseis kapoiwn allwn ypochfiwn, opws ths Fwfhs Gennhmata. Giati epilexqhke o k. Kaminhs me entelws diaforetiko krithrio;

PETALWTHS: To ean ypoleipetai qa to gnwrizoyme thn hmera twn eklogwn. O k. Kaminhs yphrethse ws Synhgoros toy Polith kai gnwrizoyme para poly kala poso shmantikos einai aytos o qesmos. Yphrethse ayto to qesmo, eidika stis epoxes poy zoyme kai opoy milame gia kakodioikhsh, milame gia diafqora, milame gia ena kratos poy den sebetai ton polith. Kai ola ayta emeis kaloymaste shmera kai h kybernhsh kai oi politikes dynameis, alla kai oi polites na ta allajoyme. Synepws, oytws h allws einai poly shmantikh h prosfora toy. Apo ekei kai pera, poios sas exei pei oti symfwna me ta gkalop orizoyme kai toys ypochfioys; Ta opoia gkalop yphrxan, metrhsan kapoia sygkekrimena proswpa.

Gnwrizoyme para poly kala ti shmainei anagnwrisimothta. Gnwrizoyme para poly kala ti shmainei se sygkekrimenh xronikh stigmh na fainetai kapoios oti yperterei h oxi. Kai fysika tetoio krithrio den yphrje. Sas anaferw xarakthristika oti kai egw hmoyn mesa se mia dhmoskophsh kai kaneis den me kalese sthn Ippokratoys na me proteinei ws ypochfio perifereiarxh.

MAKRYGIANNHS: H Ippokratoys kalese alloys, opws thn k. Mpatzelh, ton k. Koykoylopoylo, ton k. Magkriwth. Me ayto egine h prosklhsh pros aytoys toys anqrwpoys kai alloys kai gi` ayto akribws toys protaqhke na einai ypochfioi.

PETALWTHS: Alimono, ean monadiko krithrio htan ta gkalop, tote qa kybernoysame opws kybernoyse h Nea Dhmokratia poy, analoga me to ti elegan ta gkalop, prosarmoze ta metra kai tis apofaseis ths sthn kybernhtikh ths politikh. Emeis den leitoyrgoyme etsi. Xrhsimopoioyme ta gkalop aplws ws ergaleia. Apo ekei kai pera, yphrxe mia seira parametrwn oi opoies elhfqhsan kai ypoch.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Fobaste mhpws me ton k. Kaminh doyme fainomena opws me thn k. Damanakh to 1998, na paqei tetoio strapatso dhladh to PASOK sto Dhmo ths Aqhnas;

PETALWTHS: Den sxoliazw eklogikes anametrhseis toy parelqontos. Einai timh na einai o k. Kaminhs ypochfios dhmarxos.

BLAXOS: Syndyasate ton k. Kaminh me thn kakodioikhsh kai th diafqora. Etsi den einai; Dhladh, lete oti einai timhtiko na einai o k. Kaminhs ypochfios gia thn Aqhna dioti...

PETALWTHS: Anefera thn idiothta toy ws Synhgoroy toy Polith.

BLAXOS: Poy polemhse gia thn kakodioikhsh kai th diafqora.

PETALWTHS: Anefera thn idiothta toy ws Synhgoroy toy Polith kai oxi oti polemhse thn kakodioikhsh kai th diafqora. Gnwrizoyme poly kala ti shmainei Synhgoros toy Polith. Sas anefera oti se ayth th sygkyria poy pername ws xwra, o qesmos poy yphrethse o k. Kaminhs einai poly shmantikos.

BLAXOS: Gia ton ypochfio k. Mixa, gia pragmata kai kataggelies poy asxoloyntai eisaggeleis sth Nomarxia Peiraia, pws syndyazetai na einai kai aytos ypochfios mazi me ton k. Kaminh;

PETALWTHS: O k. Mixas exei apodeijei oti yphretei thn aytodioikhsh me ton kalytero tropo. Oson afora gia tis kataggelies, tis opoies den gnwrizw, alla epeidh gnwrizw poly kala kai apo thn epaggelmatikh moy idiothta, alla kai thn prohgoymenh enasxolhsh moy me th nomarxiakh aytodioikhsh, otan kapoios asxoleitai me ta koina, idiaitera se aytodioikhtiko epipedo, mporei na exei kai tetoioy eidoys emplokes oi opoies polles fores, omws, einai typikes kai sto telos apodeiknyetai an eyqynetai kaneis h oxi. O k. Mixas exei apodeijei ti ajizei kai qa to apodeijei gia allh mia fora.

MOSXOBAS: Pate na mas peisete sxedon ola eginan kalws kai oti eiste peripoy kai ikanopoihmenoi apo to apotelesma.

PETALWTHS: Den sas epeisa;

MOSXOBAS: Oxi, bebaia... oti eiste ikanopoihmenoi apo ta apotelesmata...

PETALWTHS: Sas anefera oti eimaste ikanopoihmenoi.

MOSXOBAS: Apo to apotelesma.

PETALWTHS: Nai, apo to apotelesma.

MOSXOBAS: Kai apo th diadikasia epixeirhsate na mas peite.

PETALWTHS: Kai apo th diadikasia.

MOSXOBAS: Malista. Erwthma. Eixe toylaxiston pente, an ta metraw swsta ypoyrgika ``oxi'', dhmosiws o Prwqypoyrgos. Ayto den mporoyse na to apofygei;

PETALWTHS: Dhmosiws, pws dhladh;

MOSXOBAS: Ebgainan oi ypoyrgoi kai elegan oti den endiaferomaste, den einai stoys sxediasmoys mia qesh sthn aytodioikhsh.

PETALWTHS: Malista.

MOSXOBAS: Qelete na sas pw kai onomata;

PETALWTHS: Ayto poy anaferate pantws den einai dhmosiws ``oxi'' ston Prwqypoyrgo.

MOSXOBAS: Ayto ti einai se mia ypochfiothta; Yphrxan kai idiwtika ``oxi'' ta opoia bghkan sth dhmosiothta. Giati den prostateythke o Prwqypoyrgos apo ta ``oxi'' twn ypochfiwn, poy eseis ws PASOK ennow, qewroysate oti qa qelate na einai ypochfioi. Giati, dhladh, eprepe na fqasoyme sto shmeio na paei o k. Magkriwths, h k. Mpatzelh kai opoioi alloi grafthkan na poyn oxi ston idio ton Prwqypoyrgo kai den efqase ena epipedo nwritera;

PETALWTHS: Sas eipa oti egine mia sygkekrimenh proseggish. Me bash ayth thn proseggish eixame kai ta apotelesmata twn ypochfiwn. Ayto ejhghsa prohgoymenws: Akoloyqoyme diadikasies oi opoies isws einai toso anoixtes poy jenizoyn apo prohgoymenes diadikasies.

POLYMEROS: Eipate prohgoymenws kai qa hqela na to dieykrinisete, oti ta proswpa erxontai kai parerxontai, milwntas gia thn Topikh Aytodioikhsh.

PETALWTHS: Kai gia oloys mas, osoi katexoyn dhmosies qeseis, ayto ennow.

POLYMEROS: Ara, isxyei kai gia thn politikh skhnh me th stenoterh ennoia toy oroy, opws eipate prin.

PETALWTHS: Kai me th stenoterh kai me thn eyryterh. Osoi katexoyn dhmosia ajiwmata erxontai kai parerxontai. To qema einai oti den to antilambanomaste oloi mas. Ekei einai to megalo problhma.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, shmera eixame mia synanthsh toy k. Sgoyroy me ton k. Mixa, olo xamogela, ap` o,ti plhroforoymai kai epakoloyqhse kai mia trimerhs synanthsh meta kai me ton k. Fasoyla. Pws ejhgeite ayth thn ejelijh, thn wra poy yphrxan plhrofories oti anamesa toys yphrxe exqra kai beto;

PETALWTHS: Nomizw oti ayto einai emprakth apodeijh pws osoi pisteyoyn sto qesmo ths Topikhs Aytodioikhshs exoyn enan koino topo na to apodeiknyoyn. Kai apodeiknyetai para poly eykola.

MPOTWNHS: Opoy exete dwse xrisma h politikh sthrijh opws to lete, kai emfanistoyn stelexh toy PASOK na kateboyn me ``antartiko chfodeltio'' giati yparxoyn hdh, apo xqes gnwrizw, ekei qa labete metra, qa pate se diagrafh, qa parete kapoio allo metro; Ti qa kanete se aytes tis periptwseis;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, einai qema PASOK kai den einai diko moy qema na to ejhghsw ayth th stigmh. H kaqe periptwsh exei th barythta ths, exei thn ajia ths. Emeis pisteyoyme sthn Topikh Aytodioikhsh kai kentrikh epilogh mas einai ola ta stelexh toy PASOK na exoyn th symbolh toys sth megalh ayth maxh, oso mporei kaqenas kai oso to pisteyei, fysika.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Symmerizontai kai alloi mesa sto kybernwn komma h sto periballon toy Prwqypoyrgoy thn kritikh poy askhse o Nikos Papandreoy ston Giwrgo Papakwnstantinoy gia thn politikh twn forwn; Kai an meta apo ayth thn kritikh o k. Papakwnstantinoy prepei na niwqei hsyxos gia ton eperxomeno anasxhmatismo;

PETALWTHS: O k. Nikos Papandreoy eixe mia proswpikh apoch kai thn ejefrase. O k. Papakwnstantinoy kanei th doyleia toy kai malista yparxei mia sygkekrimenh apostolh: Na proselkysei shmantikotates ependyseis gia th xwra mas, poy toso tis xreiazetai.

BLAXOS: Me sygxwreite, o k. Papakwnstantinoy apofasizei thn politikh; Thn telikh apofash den thn pairnei o Prwqypoyrgos;

PETALWTHS: Gia poio pragma;

BLAXOS: Gi` ayto poy epikrinei o k. Nikos Papandreoy ton k. Papakwnstantinoy. O adelfos toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Nikos Papandreoy epikrinei me arqro toy ton k. Papakwnstantinoy. Kai egw rwtw. Thn telikh apofash gia to ti qa efarmostei, gia to poio ycos forwn qa teqei, thn apofash thn pairnei o k. Papakwnstantinoy h o Prwqypoyrgos k. Papandreoy;

PETALWTHS: Einai gnwsto to Syntagma, oi nomoi kai h diadikasia me thn opoia apofasizei h kybernhsh kai akoloyqoyn kai oi ypoyrgoi. Sas eipa oti prokeitai gia proswpikh apoch.

BLAXOS: Ara, oysiastika o k. Papandreoy epikrinei ton adelfo toy.

PETALWTHS: Aytes einai proswpikes sas apoceis kai fysika den tis sxoliazw.

BLAXOS: Me to petrelaio qermanshs ti qa kanete, qa to ayjhsete;

PETALWTHS: Exoyme ejantlhsei to qema.

KALARRYTHS: Me sygxwreite, ep` aytoy. Se poion anaferqhkate oti exei apostolh na proselkysei ependyseis;

PETALWTHS: Ston k. Papakwnstantinoy.

SIDERHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw gia ton anasxhmatismo. Me thn idia apotelesmatikh deinothta qa ginei kai o anasxhmatismos, analoga me ayth poy eginan oi anakhryjeis twn ypochfiwn perifereiarxwn;

PETALWTHS: Einai rhtorikh h erwthsh sas. Qa enhmerwqeite.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Antilambanomai oti kata th diarkeia toy Eqnikoy Symboylioy toy PASOK, ola ta fwta epesan gyrw apo tis ypochfiothtes. Wstoso, perimename thn anakoinwsh kai enos koinwnikoy paketoy apo ton Prwqypoyrgo. Exei allajei o sxediasmos, qa anakoinwqei kapoia allh stigmh, h den prepei na to perimenoyme kaqoloy;

PETALWTHS: H politikh mas kai sxediazetai alla kai anakoinwnetai se sygkekrimenes faseis. Prwta ap` ola, o Prwqypoyrgos topoqethqhke kai mesa apo thn omilia toy jediplwqhke h politikh thn opoia sxediazei kai ylopoiei h kybernhsh. Fysika, ena poly megalo meros qa anakoinwqei kai sth Dieqnh Ekqesh Qessalonikhs, poy paradosiaka anaferetai o Prwqypoyrgos kai sta qemata anaptyjhs, ta opoia exoyn amesh sxesh, omws, kai me thn antilhch ths kybernhshs gia to koinwniko kratos.

KALARRYTHS: Gnwrizontas thn eyaisqhsia toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia thn ekproswphsh gynaikwn sta diafora organa kai sta chfodeltia, pws ejhgeite to gegonos oti stoys 12 apo toys 13 perifereiarxes poy exete anakoinwsei den yparxei oyte mia gynaika.

PETALWTHS: Sas eipa oti mphkan sygkekrimena krithria kai den yphrxe krithrio fyloy.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Den apotelei mia ypanaxwrhsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy se sxesh me toses ejaggelies poy exei kanei kai prospaqeies ola ayta ta xronia;

PETALWTHS: Kaqenas prosferei opoy mporei.

PAPPA: Stoys antiperifereiarxes;

PETALWTHS: Qa fanei kai apo toys antiperifereiarxes kai ta krithria.

MOSXOBAS: Oi ejelijeis, se sxesh me tis ypochfiothtes, stis perifereiakes kai dhmotikes ekloges ephreasan kata ti tis skeceis kai toys sxediasmoys gia ton anasxhmatismo;

PETALWTHS: Ws pros ti dhladh;

MOSXOBAS: Eseis qa moy peite an ephreasan. Ws pros ta proswpa, ws pros th domh. An qa yparjoyn dhladh rizikes allages, rizikoteres apo aples antikatastaseis h oxi.

PETALWTHS: Sas eipa, otan qa ginoyn anakoinwseis qa bgalete ta symperasmata sas.

MPOTWNHS: Gnwrizete to programma ths Tetarths gia ton Prwqypoyrgo;

PETALWTHS: Qa anakoinwqei.

POLYMEROS: Qa sxoliasete thn anakoinwsh toy grafeioy Typoy ths Neas Dhmokratias, poy metajy allwn leei oti epeidh proeblepan htta ta stelexh toy PASOK, gi` ayto kai den dexqhkan tis qeseis poy toys edinan apo to komma;

PETALWTHS: Moy kanei entypwsh giati nomizw oti h idia anakoinwsh yphrje kai xqes kai isws kai proxqes kai isws qa yparxei kai ayrio. Einai alhqeia oti h Nea Dhmokratia den mporei na arqrwsei politiko logo. Einai alhqeia oti h Nea Dhmokratia den mporei na pei tis apoceis ths. Einai alhqeia oti h Nea Dhmokratia exei egklwbistei sth logikh mnhmonioy- antimnhmonioy. Akomh kai toys oikonomikoys symboyloys toy o k. Samaras arxise na toys arneitai. Otan o k. Bardas, poy mexri twra paroysiazotan ws oikonomikos symboylos toy k. Samara, exei topoqethqei dhmosia yper toy mnhmonioy h en pash periptwsei oti qa chfize h Nea Dhmokratia kai qa ``ebaze plath'' ean xreiazotan 180 boyleytes gia na chfistei to mnhmonio, giati alliws h xwra qa ptwxeye. Se mia efhmerida o k. Bardas feretai na dhlwnei oti den htan oikonomikos symboylos toy k. Samara. H ektos an mas pei oti kai oi boyleytes toy poy ta lene, den htan boyleytes.

SANTAMOYRHS: Sth synenteyjh poy edwse sthn efhmerida twn Italwn biomhxanwn o neos symboylos toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Siopa, dhlwse oti kaqe allo, para apokleiei na anakyklwqei h krish ths perasmenhs anoijhs to amesws prosexes diasthma sthn Eyrwph kai na dhmioyrghsei kai problhmata oikonomias kai problhmata koinwnikwn entasewn. Exei anaferqei sxetika ston Prwqypoyrgo, milwntas gia ta zhthmata ths armodiothtas toy;

PETALWTHS: O k. Siopa einai enas oikonomologos o opoios apodeiknyei kai me ayth th synenteyjh toy oti exei sygkekrimenes apoceis, oti kanei sobares analyseis poy einai aparaithtes kai sthn ellhnikh kybernhsh. Gnwrizoyme poly kala oti to oikonomiko topio kai se eyrwpaiko alla kai se pagkosmio epipedo einai reysto. Gi` ayto akribws emeis prospaqoyme na staqeropoihsoyme kai na beltiwsoyme fysika, oso mporoyme thn katastash sthn ellhnikh oikonomia.

BLAXOS: Yparxei ena arqro poy leei enas kaqhghths, den qymamai se poia efhmerida, oti h Ellada qa prepei na ftiajei ena swma katapolemhshs ths diafqoras, sto opoio na einai jenoi gia na mporoyn na exoyn mia kalyterh kai pio antikeimenikh leitoyrgia, oytws wste na antimetwpisoyn th megalh diafqora poy yparxei sthn Ellada. Skeftetai o Prwqypoyrgos na ftiajei ena tetoio swma me anqrwpoys poy qa proerxontai apo to ejwteriko h qa exoyn oristei apo tis Bryjelles, sta protypa toy Xongk-Kongk poy eixe ginei palaiotera;

PETALWTHS: Den gnwrizw se poio arqro kaqhghth anafereste. Einai alhqeia oti olo ayto to diashma akoyme polles apoceis apo kaqhghtes, apo jenoys ypoyrgoys kai apo polloys, oi opoies omws polles fores fysika den exoyn sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Den yparxei kamia tetoia skech sthn kybernhsh. Emas mas endiaferei na exoyme mia epistamenh, sfairikh kai amesh apoch gia to ti symbainei sth dieqnh, eyrwpaikh kai safestata kai sthn ellhnikh oikonomia, thn opoia orizoyme oytws h allws politika. Apo ekei kai pera, xrhsimopoioyme aytes tis analyseis gia na kanoyme to kalytero dynato. Tetoia skech oyte yphrxe oyte qa yparxei. Mhxanismoi yparxoyn. To qema einai aytoys toys mhxanismoys na toys xrhsimopoihsoyme me ton kalytero tropo wste na mhn estiazetai h diafqora mesa stoys idioys toys kolpoys aytwn twn mhxanismwn. Kai gi` ayto, fysika, qa perasei kai ena kainoyrgio nomosxedio to ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn, etsi wste oi foroeispraktikoi, oi foroelegktikoi mhxanismoi na exoyn thn kalyterh apodosh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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