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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 4 Ioynioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 206005714

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O KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 4 Ioynioy 2009

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Geia sas.

Opws me plhroforhse o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn k. Giannhs Papaqanasioy, oloklhrwqhkan oi diapragmateyseis poy jekinhsan ton Aprilio kai doqhke apo thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph to ``prasino fws'' gia na proxwrhsei h xwra mas se ena akomh programma sthrijhs ths pragmatikhs oikonomias kai ths apasxolhshs.

Prokeitai gia ena programma poy stoxo exei th dieykolynsh ths daneiodothshs twn epixeirhsewn poy antimetwpizoyn problhmata ejaitias ths krishs.

Gnwrizete oti se oles tis xwres ths Eyrwphs yparxoyn tetoies epixeirhseis se ayjanomeno ariqmo, oi opoies, analoga me ta programmata poy ekponoyntai kai tis dynatothtes poy exei kaqe xwra, enisxyontai wste kai thn paragwgh toys na mporoyn na synexisoyn kai kyriws na ejasfalizoyn tis qeseis twn anqrwpwn poy ergazontai ekei.

To programma ayto exei dyo skelh:

To prwto skelos, afora thn paroxh eggyhsewn toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy gia daneia poy synaptoyn oi epixeirhseis. Etsi, dieykolynetai h daneiodothsh twn epixeirhsewn. To synoliko poso toy daneioy gia kaqe epixeirhsh den mporei na jeperna to ethsio mikto misqologiko kostos ths, enw to ycos ths eggyhshs toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy mporei na fqasei ews 90% toy parexomenoy daneioy.

To deytero skelos, afora thn epidothsh toy epitokioy, wste na meiwqei to kostos twn epixeirhsewn kai na beltiwqei, bebaiws, h antagwnistikothta toys.

To synoliko poso gia tis eggyhseis toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy kai tis epidothseis epitokioy, mesa sta plaisia poy sas periegraca, anerxetai sta 2 dis eyrw, enw h diarkeia ylopoihshs toy programmatos fqanei mexri to telos toy etoys 2010. O xronikos orizontas paroxhs ths eggyhshs toy Dhmosioy se ayth thn kathgoria twn daneiwn, orizetai sta tessera xronia, me dynatothta paratashs gia ena akomh xrono, enw o xronikos orizontas ths epidothshs toy epitokioy orizetai ews tis 31 Dekembrioy 2012, dhladh gia treishmisi xronia akomh.

Basikes proypoqeseis gia na entaxqei kapoia epixeirhsh einai oi ejhs:

Prwton, na mhn einai problhmatikh mexri thn 1/7/2008 kai deyteron - -kai ayto einai poly shmantiko- - na mhn probei mexri tis 31/12/2010 se meiwsh toy ariqmoy twn qesewn ergasias poy exei.

Me ton tropo ayto diasfalizetai se mia krisimh periodo, opws ayth poy antimetwpizei olos o kosmos, h Eyrwph kai fysika kai h xwra mas, h epibiwsh kai h synexish ths leitoyrgias pollwn, xiliadwn epixeirhsewn kai kat` epektash h apasxolhsh kai to eisodhma pollaplasioy ariqmoy ergazomenwn.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KAKALHS: Exete shmera na mas proanaggeilete, poioys qa profylakisei to brady o anakriths;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, peftete kai eseis qyma mias lejhs thn opoia xrhsimopoihsa kai mporei na mhn htan apolytws akribhs, alla den allazei to periexomeno aytoy toy opoioy eipa.

ANTWNAROS: Opws sas eipa, anafereste profanws se mia laqemenh lejh thn opoia xrhsimopoihsa. En pash periptwsei, to atomo sto opoio anaferomoyn, htan ontws kratoymenos me apofash twn diwktikwn Arxwn kai h oysia toy qematos einai allh. Anaferqhka sta atoma ta opoia einai gnwsta apo ekeinh thn periodo gia to rolo poy epaijan se sygkekrimenes qeseis poy briskontan. Ayto den allazei kati.

Kai epanalambanw, gia mia akomh fora, gia na ginei apolytws antilhpto kai na mhn yparxei kamia amfibolia: H ypoqesh Siemens einai skandalo toy PASOK. Afora th diakybernhsh ths xwras apo to PASOK. Tote elhfqhsan oles oi epilhcimes, amfisbhthsimes apofaseis gia programmatikes symfwnies, gia anaqeseis diaforwn allwn ergwn k.t.l. Ayta einai gnwsta pragmata. Kai an mpei kapoios ston kopo na diabasei ta dhmosieymata twn efhmeridwn poy anaferontai syxna-pykna se ayto to qema, qa diapistwsei oti oi anakritikes Arxes, akribws ayth thn periodo diereynoyn. Thn periodo ths diakybernhshs apo to PASOK. Ayta einai pentakaqara pragmata.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sto idio qema, omws me ayth th biasynh, den jerw pws mporei na to pei kaneis, h antipoliteysh brhke thn eykairia na sas kathgorhsei oti kaqodhgeite th Dikaiosynh. Ekei einai isws to zhthma kai ekei prepei na dwsete mia apanthsh.

ANTWNAROS: H erwthsh sas, poia einai;

FANIDHS: H erwthsh einai: Gia poio logo oysiastika biasthkate na to kanete ayto; Kyrie Ekproswpe, den htan profylakismenos, otan to eipate ayto.

ANTWNAROS: Htan kratoymenos.

FANIDHS: Htan kratoymenos.

ANTWNAROS: Gnwrizw poly kala, ti eipa. Kai sas eipa oti htan kratoymenos kai prepei na anarwthqeite giati htan kratoymenos. Loipon, oi profaseis ths antipoliteyshs poy prospaqei, opws eipa kai proxqes, na ``rijei th mpala sthn ejedra'', den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Eipa - -to epanalambanw gia na to katalabei kai h antipoliteysh- - oti h ypoqesh Siemens einai ena skandalo toy PASOK. Se ayto den apanta to PASOK. Den apanta gia ta sygkekrimena atoma. Teleia kai payla. Den exw na pw kati allo gi'ayto to qema.

SWTHRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, shmera o Prwqypoyrgos sth synenteyjh poy edwse to prwi ston ANTENNA, metajy allwn afhse anoixto to endexomeno kapoia stigmh, opws eipe, an strimwjoyn ta pragmata kai an h katastash ginei pio dyskolh akoma kai na katarghsei to asylo. Ontws h kybernhsh ejetazei ena tetoio endexomeno;

ANTWNAROS: Menw sthn plhrh dhlwsh me ton tropo poy thn ekane o Prwqypoyrgos. Einai safes ayto poy eipe o Prwqypoyrgos: Eimaste emeis, h shmerinh kybernhsh, ekeinh h opoia allaje, an qelete pros ena pio praktiko tropo, pros ena pio apotelesmatiko tropo, th nomoqesia peri asyloy. Kai eipe o Prwqypoyrgos oti an xreiastei kai apodeixqei oti ayth h allagh einai anapotelesmatikh, qa lhfqoyn kai alles apofaseis. Ayta, loipon, isxyoyn.

Den mporw na katalabw giati kapoioi enoxloyntai apo to gegonos oti proexei na ejasfalistoyn ta dikaiwmata ths megalhs, ths syntriptikhs pleiochfias twn Ellhnwn politwn, epeidh kapoioi ligoi qewroyn oti mporoyn na kanoyn kakh xrhsh kapoiwn dhqen dikaiwmatwn toys.

SWTHRIADOY: An moy epitrepete, den eipe mono oti qa lhfqoyn akoma pio aysthres apofaseis. Otan rwthqhke an skeftetai na toys katarghsei, eipe ``qa to skeftw''.

ANTWNAROS: ``An xreiastei'', ayto eipe o Prwqypoyrgos kai ayto isxyei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh h proeklogikh antiparaqesh brisketai sth dinh enos politiko-dikastikoy skandaloy - - kai anaferomai sthn ypoqesh ths Siemens alla kai ths diafyghs dyo basikwn kathgoroymenwn gia thn ypoqesh ayth - - qa staqw se ayth thn istoria. Epitrecte moy. Me aformh loipon thn istoria toy shmatos o k. Dendias se grapth toy anakoinwsh dieykrinise proxqes oti elabe gnwsh toy shmatos gia tis kinhseis toy Karabela sthn Oyroygoyah thn Tetarth to meshmeri. Symfwna me thn kataqesh ths syzygoy toy k. Karabela h idia eipe oti thn Pempth 28 Maioy, htan h teleytaia fora poy eide to syzygo ths kai oti o idios, symfwna me tis plhrofories ths, thn kataqesh ths idias, efyge profanws sto ejwteriko thn Paraskeyh. Apo thn Tetarth to meshmeri mexri estw kai thn Paraskeyh, ta mesanyxta ths Pempths kai enteyqen mesolabei ena krisimo diasthma parapanw apo 24 wres. Gi'ayto to krisimo diasthma poy fainetai na oligwrhse toso o k. Dendias oso kai h Dikaiosynh, epitrecte moy, to lew me thn ennoia endexomenws, kanw mia ypoqesh ergasias na oligwrhse, den yparxoyn eyqynes gi'ayth thn elleich - - qa legame - - kinhsewn ek meroys toso toy Ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs oso kai ths Dikaiosynhs;

ANTWNAROS: Ola ayta ta qemata exoyn apanthqei me plhrh eparkeia. Den exw na prosqesw kati allo.

PALAIOLOGOS: Pote apanthqhkan me plhrh eparkeia k. Ekproswpe;

ANTWNAROS: To oysiastiko qema einai h dialeykansh ths emplokhs sygkekrimenwn anqrwpwn sth sygkekrimenh ypoqesh,sto sygkekrimeno skandalo, an qelete. Ola ta alla einai leptomereies oi opoies qa dialeykanqoyn apo thn EDE, h opoia ginetai. Den exw na prosqesw kati allo.

PALAIOLOGOS: Akoysa kai ton Prwqypoyrgo to prwi.

ANTWNAROS: Nai.

PALAIOLOGOS:... O opoios milhse gia endexomenh oligwria kai ateleies ths Dhmosias Dioikhshs.

ANTWNAROS: Ti sas eipa egw molis twra;

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai. Egw omws eipa oti den einai epi skopw. Egw anarwtiemai omws, estw kai an den egine epi skopw, paradexomai den dexomai ws ypoqesh ergasias ayto poy eipe o Prwqypoyrgos ... (den akoygetai), ws kybernhsh. Den dexeste eseis oti yphrxe kaqysterhsh kai apo thn pleyra toso toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn oso kai apo thn pleyra toy Ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs kai ths Dikaiosynhs;

ANTWNAROS: Ean yparxoyn, qa sas to pw gia allh mia fora, ean yparxoyn ayta ola ta pragmata qa diapistwqoyn sto yphresiako epipedo poy profanws eginan, an eginan.

KAKALHS: Mias kai eimaste s'ayto to qema, hqela na rwthsw: O Prwqypoyrgos eixe dhlwsei arxika oti den eixe enhmerwqei kan gi'ayth thn istoria, den eixe kamia enhmerwsh gia thn tyxh aytoy toy qematos. Wstoso, blepoyme oti eixe to thlegrafhma apodekth to Grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Enhmerwsh toy Diplwmatikoy Grafeioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy den shmainei kai enhmerwsh ...

ANTWNAROS: Osa exei pei o Prwqypoyrgos isxyoyn sto akeraio.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, alla leei cemata o Prwqypoyrgos, oti den eixe enhmerwsh;

ANTWNAROS: Sas parakalw para poly. Nomizw oti kai h oihsh orismenwn erwthsewn exei kai ta oria ths.

KAKALHS: Den yparxei kamia oihsh, isa-isa poy blepw oti olh thn wra mas empaizoyn. Ayto einai to qema.

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai dikh sas apoch. Den sas empaizei kaneis. Ean aisqaneste oti eiste empaizomenos einai dikaiwma sas na to eklambanete etsi.

KAKALHS: Enhmerwsh apo to Grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy ti shmainei; Oti poios exei thn eyqynh; To Grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy h o idios o Prwqypoyrgos;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, den exete idea ti shmainei endexomenws koinopoihsh eggrafoy, an exei ginei ayth h koinopoihsh. Kai poso xrono qelei na ftasei ena eggrafo sto grafeio pros to opoio koinopoieitai.

KAKALHS: Pote eftase;

ANTWNAROS: En pash periptwsei, isxyei ayto to opoio eipe o Prwqypoyrgos: Den yparxei kamia anakoloyqia.

ZORMPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, aytes tis meres koryfwnontai metajy allwn kai ta diafhmistika spot, h proeklogikh kampania twn kommatwn. Qa hqela to sxolio ths kybernhshs, pws ypodexqhke h kybernhsh ta xqesina spotakia toy PASOK poy balloyn sto (den akoygetai) toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw kati parapanw, apo osa eipe xqes o Grammateas ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Leyterhs Zagoriths. To PASOK einai gia mia akomh fora to komma poy kanei oxi aplws gkriza, alla mayrh diafhmish. Sas ypenqymizw: Jekinhse brizontas oloys toys politikoys toy antipaloys syllhbdhn ws barbaroys. Sth synexeia, kindynologhse oti boyliazoyme, profanws epeidh boyliazei to idio mesa sthn anyparjia toy politikoy toy logoy, kai twra sykofantei kai laspologei. Endeijeis panikoy, amhxanias, elleichs idewn aytwn poy dhqen qeloyn na symballoyn sthn antimetwpish twn zhthmatwn ths xwras. Emeis se ayto ton dromo den prokeitai fysika na to akoloyqhsoyme. To PASOK menei panta mono toy. Exei synhqisei allwste.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh einai poly konta oi Eyrwekloges, ti qa qewroyse ws nikh h kybernhsh; Poio apotelesma qa to qewroyse ws nikh stis Eyrwekloges;

ANTWNAROS: Qa anamenete to apotelesma twn eklogwn. Egw den eimai grafeio prognwstikwn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Elpides yparxoyn pantws.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei ayto poy eipe o Prwqypoyrgos - - epeidh sas aresei na xrhsimopoieite ta osa leei o Prwqypoyrgos - - se oles tis prosfates synenteyjeis toy. Exete, loipon, to ayqentiko apospasma gia th qesh ths kybernhshs.

KAKALHS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti to skandalo ths SIEMENS einai skandalo toy PASOK. Alla egw jerw oti stis kataqeseis toy o k. Sikatsek kai ta alla stelexh ths SIEMENS exoyn milhsei gia roh mayroy xrhmatos sta tameia kai twn dyo kommatwn, 100 ekatommyria toylaxiston. Epishs, jerw oti pente xronia twra h Nea Dhmokratia den exei kataggeilei kai den exei apokalycei tipota apo olo ayto to skandalo. Giati na mh xrewsoyme se esas symchfismo kai sygkalych se ayto to skandalo;

ANTWNAROS: H Nea Dhmokratia den xreiazetai na kanei kai polla pragmata. Ta ekane o k. Tsoykatos monos toy.

KAKALHS: Ta ypoloipa 99 ekatommyria;

ANTWNAROS: To ena pantws einai apodedeigmeno poy phge kai ayto einai ekeino poy metraei. Giati ta alla einai mono isxyrismoi. Kai sas ypenqymizw, efoson qelete na to janakoysete : Yparxei jekaqarh dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy oti oyte ena marko, oyte ena eyrw den exei paei sta tameia ths Neas Dhmokratias. Perimenw mia antistoixh dhlwsh apo ton arxhgo toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Den thn exw akoysei akoma.

GKATSIOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh o Prwqypoyrgos epanaferei synexws to qema ths eqnikhs synennohshs kai ths synaineshs sta krisima zhthmata gia th xwra, ti sas kanei na pisteyete oti to PASOK apo thn elleich idewn, opws eipate prin apo ligo, qa perasei sthn antipera oxqh kai qa kataqesei tetoies protaseis;

ANTWNAROS: Tipote den me kanei na to pisteyw. Den exw thn paramikrh endeijh. Qa prepei na metallaxqei to PASOK gia na allajei rizika th symperifora toy, wste na prosferei protaseis. Kai mexri stigmhs den to exei kanei. Genikothtes kai ``oxi'' se oles tis prwtoboylies gia synergasia, gia synennohsh, gia synainesh, opoia lejh qelete, xrhsimopoihste. H stash toy htan panta: Oxi. Merikes fores phgaine na plhsiasei na pei ena nai - - sas ypenqymizw thn syntagmatikh metarryqmish - - to janaskefthke omws o k. Papandreoy, kai amesws opisqoxwrhse. Eite monos toy, eite lambanontas ypoch toy kapoies alles dynameis mesa ston politiko sxhmatismo toy opoioy hgeitai.

PALAIOLOGOS: Xwris na qelw na paijw ton rolo toy synhgoroy toy diaboloy, den endiaferomai kan gia ayto, me aformh thn antiparaqesh poy egine me ton k. Papakwnstantinoy, gia ton rolo poy diadramatise ws melos toy Dioikhtikoy Symboylioy toy OTE, o idios sas kathgorei oti laspologeite eis baros toy. Apo thn allh diapistwsa shmera oti milhsate gia epilhcimes apofaseis ths periodoy diakybernhshs toy PASOK, se oti afora to qema toy OTE.

ANTWNAROS: An mh ti allo amfisbhthsimes.

PALAIOLOGOS: Amfisbhthsimes, nai, epeidh eipate kai ton oro epilhcimes. Epimenete stis kataggelies proswpika gia ton rolo toy k. Papakwnstantinoy thn periodo ekeinh;

ANTWNAROS: Egw den exw antiparaqesh me kanenan. Den jerw pws

antilambanetai o kaqenas thn antiparaqesh mazi moy. Ayto einai diko toy qema. Kai den ekana tipote allo apo to na episthsw thn prosoxh thn dikh sas, twn dhmosiografwn, se orismena pragmatika peristatika. Den antilambanomai giati kapoios amfisbhtei pragmatika peristatika. Giati kapoios den paradexetai pragmatika peristatika. Giati kapoios sbhnei apo to biografiko toy, se orismenoys istotopoys, pragmatika peristatika. Ayto prepei na to ejhghsei o idios o kyrios ston opoio anaferqhkate. Den einai dikh moy apostolh.

KAKALHS: Epipleon xqes eseis anadeijate th sxesh toy proedroy toy PASOK me ton k. Trepeklh kai apo th meria toy o k. Papakwnstantinoy ebgale se prwto plano me emmeso tropo tis fwtografies toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Xristoforako kai ton Efraim. Giati toso poly ``kaigeste'' gia na anadeijete sthn prwth grammh ths epikairothtas ta pragmatika problhmata toy topoy kai toy laoy;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh, oxi mono ta anadeiknyei ta pragmatika problhmata kai ta zhthmata toy topoy, alla dinei kai lyseis. Eisagwgika shmera sas anefera sygkekrimenes prwtoboylies, oi opoies elhfqhsan. Sygkekrimenes prwtoboylies poy exoyme parei oloys aytoys toys teleytaioys mhnes prokeimenoy na ejasfalisqoyn qeseis ergasias, polles qeseis ergasias ston topo, wste na sthrixqoyn aytoi poy exoyn pragmatikh anagkh. Na doqei ekeinh h lysh poy xreiazetai se tomeis ths oikonomias mas, poy apasxoloyn polles ekatontades xiliades sympolites mas kai oi opoioi tomeis mporei na antimetwpizoyn kapoia problhmata. Anaferomai ston toyrismo. Anaferomai ston kataskeyastiko tomea. Anaferomai ston gewrgiko tomea, opoy opws gnwrizete, doqhke mia eidikh apozhmiwsh gia zhmies ths tajhs twn 500 ekatommyriwn eyrw. Ola ayta einai sygkekrimenes draseis. Ayta einai poy metrane ston topo. Ayta einai poy katagrafoyn oi Ellhnes polites. Aytes einai oi apanthseis sta pragmatika zhthmata toy topoy.

KAKALHS: Den ta anadeijate ayta omws. Anadeijate alla pragmata. Ayto einai to nohma ths erwthshs.

ANTWNAROS: Kanete laqos. Aplws ekeinoi oi opoioi synexws laspologoyn, ekeinoi oi opoioi synexws skandalologoyn, ekeinoi oi opoioi den exoyn na proteinoyn tipote to qetiko kai to oysiastiko den qa menoyn apo emas anapanthtoi epeidh exoyn epilejei ayto ton kathforiko dromo. Qa briskoyn merika empodia mprosta toys: Ton logo mas. Ta epixeirhmata mas. Tis qeseis mas.

KAKALHS: Lete oti den parembainete sto ergo ths Dikaiosynhs. Wstoso pws ejhgeite oti exoyn ginei feig bolan kai ta thlegrafhmata twn diplwmatwn apo thn Oyroygoyah kai yliko ths proanakrishs;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto den afora emas. Ayto, opws gnwrizete, to qema ths leitoyrgias ths Dikaiosynhs, afora th Dikaiosynh. Den einai etsi opws to lete. Egw gnwrizw oti oi dikastikoi syntaktes, oi synadelfoi sas, paradosiaka exoyn kales phges kai exoyn ta stoixeia ta opoia xreiazontai prokeimenoy na qemeliwsoyn to reportaz to opoio kanoyn.

KAKALHS: Oi dikastikoi syntaktes, dhladh, ta kanan feig bolan ayta poy eginan apo to Montebideo;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws sas enoxlei na exoyn kapoioi stoixeia.

Sas eyxaristw.

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