Greek Government Press Briefing, 09-02-03

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 3 Febroyarioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 184131339

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O KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 3 Febroyarioy 2009

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Oloklhrwqhke, prin apo ligo, h synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Karamanlh. Kata th diarkeia ths synedriashs, opws gnwrizete, syzhthqhkan qemata armodiothtas toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Paideias kai Qrhskeymatwn. O armodios Ypoyrgos k. Arhs Sphliwtopoylos ekane analytikes dhlwseis meta thn oloklhrwsh ths synedriashs.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KALARITHS: O boyleyths ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Giannelhs dhlwse oti den prokeitai na chfisei se nomosxedio toy Ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs, ean den ikanopoihqei ena aithma poy exei o idios kai katoikoi ths Mytilhnhs, gia dhmioyrgia Efeteioy, ean den kanw laqos. Ena sxolio.

ANTWNAROS: Prokeitai, opws antilambaneste, gia ena aithma topikoy xarakthra, to opoio o boyleyths paroysiazei kai ekqetei. Qa hqela na sas plhroforhsw oti h sxetikh apofash brisketai, hdh, sto stadio ths ylopoihshs.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Ep` aytoy. Epeidh, omws, ap` oti katalabainw apo ton k. Giannelh, eseis mporeite na milate gia ylopoihsh, alla, en pash periptwsei, yparxei mia epifylajh, ean o k. Giannelhs den chfisei kapoio nomosxedio toy Ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs, opws eipe o idios, qa isxysei ayto poy exei pei o Prwqypoyrgos, oti opoios den chfisei rixnei thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Den apantw se ypoqetika erwthmata.

KALARITHS: Peran ths apofashs poy brisketai sto stadio ths ylopoihshs, h praktikh ayth toy boyleyth na apeilei thn kybernhsh oti den qa chfisei ean den ikanopoihqei to aithma toy, den synthrei prohgoymeno gia analogh symperifora kai allwn boyleytwn;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto apotelei qema leitoyrgias ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas. Gia to qema ayto topoqethqhke, me dhmosies dhlwseis toy, pro oligoy, o Grammateas ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas ths Neas Dhmokratias, k. Giannhs Tragakhs, stis opoies kai parapempw.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Prin apo ligo, o k. Papakwnstantinoy, o ekproswpos toy PASOK, zhthse thn paraithsh olwn twn armodiwn, oi opoioi emplekontai sta xqesina kai sta shmerina epeisodia ston Peiraia. Ti apantate;

ANTWNAROS: Oti den prokeitai, se kamia periptwsh, na parakoloyqhsoyme ws kybernhsh to PASOK, sth syneidhth, eskemmenh, prospaqeia polwshs kai texnhths ojynshs, thn opoia kanei.

XRHSTAKOS: Ap` ayto poy lete, na symperanw oti h shmerinh episkech toy Proedroy toy PASOK toy k. Papandreoy ston Peiraia, opoy synanthse toys agrotes kai eixame kai tis gnwstes ekei eikones, shmainei oti to PASOK ypokinei tetoioy eidoys kinhtopoihseis h - -an qelete kalytera- - den jekaqarizei th stash toy apenanti sto qema toy an symfwnei h diafwnei me to na kinoyntai ta trakter stoys dromoys ths Aqhnas;

ANTWNAROS: Oi dhlwseis oi opoies ginontai apo diafores pleyres, xarakthrizoyn akribws tis pleyres aytes. Tis pleyres poy kanoyn aytes tis dhlwseis. Gia emas, ekeino to opoio metraei, einai h pragmatopoihsh toy dialogoy. Kai sas ypenqymizw gia mia akomh fora, oti xqes, sto ktirio toy Ypoyrgeioy Emporikhs Naytilias, meta apo prwtoboylia ths kybernhshs, egine oysiastikos dialogos makras diarkeias, metajy twn dyo synarmodiwn Yfypoyrgwn, k. Mixalh Papadopoyloy apo to Ypoyrgeio Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs kai k. Qanash Mpoyra apo to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn afenos kai ekproswpwn twn agrotwn ths Krhths poy exoyn erqei sthn Aqhna afeteroy. Dialogos, epishs, exei ginei kai sto poly prosfato parelqon. Dialogo eixe prosferqei epishs na kanei me toys agrotes ths Krhths kai o eyriskomenos apo xqes stis Bryjelles, Ypoyrgos Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs k. Swthrhs Xatzhgakhs. Eixe proteinei malista na toys dei thn Kyriakh sto Ypoyrgeio, opws toys eixe dei kai sto parelqon. Kai opws exei proteinei, epishs, na synanthsei toys ekproswpoys twn agrotwn - -kai to exei kanei se polles periptwseis, sas einai gnwsto ayto- - thn Pempth, me thn epistrofh toy sthn Aqhna. Oi portes toy Ypoyrgeioy Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs, opws kai oi portes olwn twn Ypoyrgeiwn, einai anoiktes kai qa parameinoyn anoiktes gia osoys qeloyn na kanoyn pragmatiko dialogo.

FOYRLHS: Einai opws to lete ``pragmatikos dialogos'' h einai dialogos ypo oroys, af` hs stigmhs o armodios Yfypoyrgos Eswterikwn k. Markogiannakhs dhlwnei eyqews oti qa jefoyskwsei ta lastixa twn trakter h Astynomia, efoson oi agrotes ftasoyn ston Peiraia;

ANTWNAROS: Den jerw apo poy gnwrizete ayth th dhlwsh kai gia na sas diorqwsw, o k. Markogiannakhs einai Anaplhrwths Ypoyrgos kai oxi Yfypoyrgos. Ekeino to opoio gnwrizw einai oti oi agrotes eftasan ston Peiraia. Tipote apo ayto to opoio eseis perigrafete den synebh. Eixan th dynatothta na ekqesoyn tis apoceis toys kai sto xwro toy limanioy toy Peiraia kai bebaiws sthn polywrh synanthsh thn opoia eixan me toys dyo ekproswpoys ths ellhnikhs Politeias - -htan parwn kai o genikos grammateas toy Ypoyrgeioy Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs. Den einai omws apodekto - -kai nomizw oti se ayto qa symfwnhsoyn oloi, fantazomai oti qa symfwnhsei kai to PASOK, an kai den to exei pei- - oti den einai dynaton na ginetai kinhtopoihsh me barea gewrgika oxhmata sto kentro ths Aqhnas.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Sygnwmh, giati den einai dynaton na ginetai kinhtopoihsh; Oi agrotes trakter exoyn, den exoyn aeroplana kai elikoptera gia na erqoyn di` aeros. Etsi qewroyn oi anqrwpoi oti qeloyn na kanoyn thn kinhtopoihsh toys kai etsi erxontai. Mporeite na moy to ejhghsete;

ANTWNAROS: H syntriptikh pleiochfia twn politwn ths Aqhnas qeloyn h polh toys na leitoyrgei. Ayth einai h apanthsh.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Enw twra leitoyrgei poy exei kleisei to limani kai h gyrw perioxh. Twra leitoyrgei;

ANTWNAROS: Eseis profanws qewreite oti prepei na kleisei kai to kentro ths Aqhnas kai olh h polh. Emeis, omws, ayto den to apodexomaste.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Dhladh einai protimotero na kleisei o Peiraias; Etsi to pairnete.

ANTWNAROS: H apoch mas einai safhs. Emeis pisteyoyme oti oloi exoyn to dikaiwma na diekdikoyn ayto to opoio qeloyn na diekdikhsoyn, xwris omws na qigoyn ta dikaiwmata twn pollwn.

FOYRLHS: Den antedrase, omws, h kybernhsh me ton idio tropo prin apo enamish mhna otan htan to kentro ths Aqhnas kleisto kaqhmerina me eikones tragikes, qa elega egw, na metadidontai se oloklhro ton kosmo gia thn katastash sth xwra mas. Kai tote h Astynomia oyte jefoyskwne lastixa, oyte parenebaine, oyte proeblepe pws qa leitoyrghsei me asfaleia kai eyryqmia h polh.

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, qelete na kanete parelqontologia. Emena me endiaferei ti ginetai shmera.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: O k. Nikhforakhs, milwntas prin apo ligo se ena radiofwno, sygkekrimena ston REAL, epanelabe oti to Ypoyrgeio Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs ekane laqh. Xqes, o k. Giannopoylos epanelabe kai den to phre pisw, kamia frash ap` o,ti eixe pei kai tis prohgoymenes hmeres, oti ta xrhmata stoys agrotes moirasthkan me bash tis perioxes stis opoies eklegontai oi Ypoyrgoi, yponowntas ton k. Soyflia kai ton k. Xatzhgakh. Ti lete gi` aytes tis dhlwseis dyo boyleytwn ths Neas Dhmokratias;

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, den sxoliazw dhlwseis boyleytwn. Deyteron, einai gnwsto to pws exoyn katanemhqei ta xrhmata gia tis apozhmiwseis poy aforoyn sygkekrimenes kalliergeies. Ola ta alla den exoyn kamia qesh, moy fainetai, se ayth th syzhthsh.

FOYRLHS: Epeidh me egkalesate gia parelqontologia, sas apantw, mallon sas erwtw: Giati einai parelqontologia kati poy synebh prin apo dyo mhnes; Den anaferomai se kati poy synebh prin apo 15 xronia. Anaferomai se kati poy synebh prin apo dyo mhnes, me toys idioys Ypoyrgoys peripoy kai thn idia kybernhsh. An htan laqos ayto poy synebh tote, kala qa kanei h kybernhsh na bgei na pei oti htan laqos. Ean den htan laqos ayto poy ekane tote na mas ejhghsei giati htan swsto ayto poy ekane tote kai einai swsto kai ayto poy symbainei twra, paroti einai teleiws diaforetika.

ANTWNAROS: Egw den sas egkalw gia tipote. Dikaiwma sas einai na kanete opoiadhpote erwthsh qelete. Allo qelw na pw: Ean kati egine sto parelqon, den shmainei oti prepei na janaginei kai shmera.

ARMENHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, se allo qema, gia to qema toy eklogikoy nomoy poy hrqe sthn epikairothta meta apo dhlwseis, dhmosies topoqethseis koryfaiwn kybernhtikwn stelexwn. H apanthsh apo to PASOK einai arnhtikh. Shmera, o Giwrgos Papandreoy eipe oti an kai qa ton synefere, den paizei to komma toy me toys qesmoys. Poia einai h apoch sas;

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka xqes. Osa eipa xqes isxyoyn sto akeraio.

ARMENHS: Janarwtw, giati yparxei neoterh topoqethsh toy arxhgoy ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs.

ANTWNAROS: Fainetai poly kala poios einai ekeinos, o opoios kalliergei synexws thn eklogologia: Dhladh, to PASOK.

KALARITHS: Yparxei mia epistolh toy Proedroy toy SEB k. Daskalopoyloy pros ton Ypoyrgo Oikonomias k. Papaqanasioy sthn opoia ekfrazoyn oi biomhxanoi tis enstaseis toys gia ptyxes ths oikonomikhs politikhs ths kybernhshs. Exete ena sxolio;

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, thn oikonomikh politikh ths kybernhshs th sxediazei kai thn efarmozei h idia h kybernhsh poy exei kai thn eyqynh apenanti stoys polites kai ton topo.

MPOTSARHS: Me aformh ta osa diadramatizontai ston Peiraia, blepoyme mia anastatwsh sthn kybernhsh, alla kai sto komma ths Neas Dhmokratias. Gia paradeigma, o k. Papadopoylos, emmesws plhn safws, epirriptei eyqynes gia thn katastash poy dhmioyrghqhke ston k. Markogiannakh.

ANTWNAROS: Poios epirriptei eyqynes;

MPOTSARHS: O k. Papadopoylos, o Yfypoyrgos Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs...

ANTWNAROS: Egw den exw diapistwsei kati tetoio.

MPOTSARHS: ... me dhlwseis toy gia ta osa diadramatizontai, oson afora sthn epiqesh twn astynomikwn dynamewn ston Peiraia, eipe oti ``egw den eimai armodios''...

ANTWNAROS: Synepws, den eipe ayto poy yponoeite.

MPOTSARHS: Den yperaspisthke kan thn kybernhsh. Epitrecte moy na exw ayth thn ektimhsh.

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai dikh sas ermhneia, alla den qa symfwnhsw me thn ektimhsh thn opoia kanete.

MPOTSARHS: Wraia. O k. Giakoymatos epirriptei eyqews eyqynes ston k. Xatzhgakh. Exoyme ton k. Giannelh, exoyme ton k. Nikhforakh, o opoios kalyptei ton k. Markogiannakh kai epitiqetai ston k. Xatzhgakh. Pisteyete oti oi ejelijeis aytes qa feroyn peraiterw anastatwsh sth Nea Dhmokratia;

ANTWNAROS: Den symfwnw kaqoloy me thn ektimhsh thn opoia kanete. H koinoboyleytikh pleiochfia ths Neas Dhmokratias einai sympaghs.

KALARITHS: Xqes, yphrje ena peristatiko, me apotelesma to sobaro traymatismo enos dhmosiografoy apo to ALTER. Sygkekrimena, sta epeisodia poy eginan sthn Plateia Kotzia, gia thn akribeia sthn epiqesh twn MAT enantion twn katoikwn poy diamartyrontai, enas astynomikos petaje mia bombida krotoy-lamchs sto dhmosiografo, me apotelesma o synadelfos na ypostei, apo o,ti lene oi giatroi, monimh blabh sthn akoh toy, endexomenws kai alloy. Qelw na rwthsw, ean h kybernhsh to exei ypoch ths kai an qa ginei ereyna gi` ayto to qema.

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw to peristatiko. Ekfrazw th baqytath lyph moy gia to symban, opws moy to perigracate kai den exw kanena logo na amfisbhthsw oti ta pragmatika peristatika, ws pros tis blabes poy proeklhqhsan sto synadelfo sas, einai ayta poy moy metaferete. Sas diabebaiw oti h Politeia einai symparastaths sth doyleia olwn osoi doyleyoyn sto xwro toy Typoy. Eyxomai sto synadelfo sas taxeia apokatastash ths ygeias toy. Kai sas diabebaiw oti qa metaferw ekei poy prepei ta stoixeia ta opoia moy kataqesate edw shmera, ontas bebaios oti qa ginei h aparaithth ereyna.

Sas eyxaristw.

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