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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 6 Dekembrioy 2007

Ariqmos Deltioy: 109620546

Ekdosh 1

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ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 6 Dekembrioy 2007

Xairete.

" H ellhnikh kybernhsh ekfrazei th baqia ths lyph gia thn apwleia toy smhnagoy Aqanasioy Mpatsara poy exase th zwh toy, yphretwntas thn patrida, xqes to brady. Gnwrizete oti to monoqesio maxhtiko aeroskafos, me kybernhth to smhnago, katepese 20 milia notia toy Agioy Oroys, kata th diarkeia nyxterinhs askhshs. Ekfrazoyme th symparastash kai ta syllyphthria mas pros toys oikeioys toy atyxoy ajiwmatikoy mas.

" Ek meroys ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, apeyqynw tis pio qermes eyxes gia taxeia anarrwsh ston omogenh dhmosiografo k. Andrea Rompopoylo poy dexqhke xqes to apogeyma banaysh epiqesh, apo agnwstoys, sthn Kwnstantinoypolh, me synepeia to sobaro traymatismo toy. Katadikazoyme aperifrasta thn askhsh bias kai anamenoyme apo tis toyrkikes arxes, afenos th syllhch kai parapomph twn drastwn sth Dikaiosynh kai afeteroy thn amesh lhch oswn metrwn epiballontai, wste na mhn epanalhfqoyn tetoia kroysmata sto mellon. Th stigmh poy kataballontai prospaqeies kai ginontai bhmata gia thn peraiterw beltiwsh kai enisxysh twn sxesewn twn dyo xwrwn, kapoioi, me aparadektes egklhmatikes energeies, san ki ayth enantion toy k. Rompopoyloy, prospaqoyn na egeiroyn empodia. Den qa ta kataferoyn. Eimai bebaios oti oi dyo laoi qeloyn kai mporoyn na zhsoyn eirhnika o enas mazi me ton allo.

" Sto programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy: O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs qa anaxwrhsei, ayrio Paraskeyh 7 Dekembrioy, gia th Lissabwna, opoy qa symmetasxei sth Synodo Koryfhs twn kratwn-melwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs kai ths Afrikhs poy pragmatopoieitai ekei. Leptomereies gia to tajidi toy Prwqypoyrgoy, qa sas doqoyn apo to Grafeio Typoy, opws ginetai synhqws.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

RABANOS: Anaferqhkate prin apo ligo oti ginontai bhmata gia thn enisxysh twn sxesewn metajy twn dyo xwrwn, Elladas kai Toyrkias. Oi dhlwseis omws toy k. Mpampatzan sth Qrakh, kaqe allo para deixnoyn oti kinoymaste pros mia kateyqynsh enisxyshs twn sxesewn twn dyo xwrwn. Pws sxoliazete tis dhlwseis toy k. Mpampatzan kai ena deytero erwthma: Apo th stigmh poy afhsame ton k. Mpampatzan na episkefqei th Qrakh, pws to skeftetai h ellhnikh kybernhsh, o k. Karamanlhs na episkefqei thn Imbro kai thn Tenedo;

ANTWNAROS: Qa hqela kat` arxas na staqw sthn erwthsh thn opoia diatypwsate kai xrhsimopoihsate th lejh ``afhsame''. H Ellada einai mia eleyqerh xwra. Olh h epikrateia ths xwras mas einai eleyqerh gia opoiondhpote episkepth epiqymei na thn episkefqei. H Ellada einai yperhfanh gia thn politikh isonomias kai isopoliteias poy efarmozei pros ofelos olwn twn politwn, se olh thn epikrateia. H Ellada oxi mono den exei tipote na krycei, exei polla na deijei, polla gia ta opoia einai yperhfanh. Polla gia ta opoia oloi mas, oloi oi Ellhnes eimaste yperhfanoi. Polla ta opoia perimenoyme oti qa ginoyn katanohta apo thn toyrkikh pleyra kai apo toys iqynontes ths geitonikhs xwras, h opoia epidiwkei thn entajh ths sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. H Ellada - - epanalambanw mia dhlwsh poy molis pro oligoy ekane o ekproswpos toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, k. Koymoytsakos- -sebomenh apolytws tis dieqneis synqhkes kai sygkekrimena th Synqhkh ths Lwzanhs, efarmozei, akribws opws sas eipa, gia toys Ellhnes Moysoylmanoys sth Qrakh, Ellhnes polites, politikh plhroys isonomias kai isopoliteias. Oi Ellhnes Moysoylmanoi den exoyn anagkh synhgorwn. H politikh ayth - -sas einai gnwsto- - embaqynetai diarkws, me nea sygkekrimena metra. Einai malista protypo kai paradeigma pros mimhsh - - to lew gia mia akomh fora- - gia mia xwra poy qelei na epitelesei proodo sthn poreia ths gia entajh sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Ayth einai h pragmatikothta sth Qrakh kai qa prepei na thn katanohsoyn oloi sthn Toyrkia.

ARMENHS: Fainetai omws, kyrie Ekproswpe, oti o Toyrkos Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn den ta exei katanohsei ayta, dioti eipe stoys Ellhnes moysoylmanoys oti h Ellada den prepei na fobatai th xrhsh toy oroy ``toyrkikh meionothta''. Einai, kata th gnwmh moy, mia akraia proklhtikh dhlwsh.

ANTWNAROS: Eipa kai prin oti oi dieqneis synqhkes, tis opoies h Ellada sebetai plhrws, einai safeis. Sthn Ellada yparxei mia meionothta, h opoia einai h moysoylmanikh.

KAKALHS: H symperifora kai oi dhlwseis toy k. Mpampatzan, mhpws ephreasoyn to tajidi toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn Agkyra;

ANTWNAROS: Gia to tajidi toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn Agkyra, opws gnwrizete, exoyme topoqethqei. Exei topoqethqei kai h Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn kai exei topoqethqei kai o k. Roysopoylos apo ayth edw th qesh. Exei apofasistei na ginei ena tajidi. Otan oristikopoihqoyn oi hmeromhnies, opws gnwrizete, qa sas koinopoihqoyn taytoxrona stis dyo xwres. Emeis pisteyoyme oti to tajidi ayto qa symballei se ayto to opoio eipa kai prohgoymenws: Sthn peraiterw katanohsh, sthn peraiterw embaqynsh, sthn peraiterw beltiwsh twn sxesewn twn dyo xwrwn.

BLABIANOS: H kybernhsh qewrei oti briskontai pros th swsth poreia oi ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis; Qa hqela, epishs, mia apanthsh sto deytero erwthma poy ekane o k. Rabanos prohgoymenws, an exete thn eygenh kalosynh, an qa zhthsei o Prwqypoyrgos na episkefqei, as poyme, gia paradeigma thn Imbro kai thn Tenedo.

ANTWNAROS: Opws sas eipa kai prohgoymenws kai eipa kai xqes, den exoyn oristikopoihqei oi leptomereies gia to tajidi toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn Toyrkia, to opoio --sas ypenqymizw-- einai ena antapodotiko tajidi, einai mia antapodotikh episkech. Otan exoyme, loipon, perissoteres leptomereies, na eiste bebaioi oti qa tis plhroforhqeite egkairws.

KAKALHS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti to tajidi toy Prwqypoyrgoy qa symballei sth beltiwsh twn sxesewn twn dyo xwrwn...

ANTWNAROS: Einai sto plaisio ths prospaqeias h opoia ginetai. Einai ena akomh shmadi.

KAKALHS: Nai. Qelw na pw, ayto praktika, pws qa ekfrastei; Yparxei kapoia proergasia gia na yparjei mia beltiwsh, as poyme, oson afora ta problhmata poy yparxoyn se o,ti afora to Aigaio, tis parabiaseis h thn amfisbhthsh twn kyriarxikwn dikaiwmatwn; Qa yparjei kapoio praktiko antikrisma;

ANTWNAROS: Den prepei na exete thn paramikrh amfibolia oti ola ta tajidia toy Prwqypoyrgoy einai poly kala proetoimasmena, apo apocews oysias.

SMYRNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxei dysforia toy Prwqypoyrgoy, epeidh h k. Mpakogiannh den enhmerwse oti stis syzhthseis me ton k. Mpampatzan, o Toyrkos Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn eqese qema koyrdikwn organwsewn sthn Ellada poy synergazontai me to PKK kai zhthse na analaboyn drash;

ANTWNAROS: Yparxei apolyth synennohsh ths Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn k. Mpakogiannh, gia ola ta qemata, me ton Prwqypoyrgo k. Kwsta Karamanlh. Ypenqymizw oti poly prosfata, proxqes, alla kai xqes, h k. Mpakogiannh htan mazi me ton k. Nimits ston Prwqypoyrgo. Yparxoyn taktikes stenes synergasies, ths Ypoyrgoy me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Gia to qema sto opoio anaferqhkate kai eixa rwthqei kai xqes: To qema ayto den exei teqei pote se politiko epipedo. Einai qema mias texnikhs, an qelete, synergasias se astynomiko epipedo metajy twn dyo pleyrwn.

SMYRNHS: Na symplhrwsw kati akoma: O k. Karamanlhs exei enhmerwqei plhrws apo thn k. Mpakogiannh gia thn atzenta twn synomiliwn ths me ton Toyrko omologo ths;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti yparxei apolyth synennohsh ths Ypoyrgoy me ton Prwqypoyrgo gia ola ta qemata kai to epanalambanw.

KAKALHS: Astynomiko qema, dhladh, einai h paradosh melwn toy RKK h Koyrdwn agwnistwn stis toyrkikes arxes;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw kati allo panw se ayto to qema.

ARMENHS: Gia allo qema, gia thn Olympiakh Aeroporia. Hqela to sxolio ths kybernhshs gia dhlwseis toy boyleyth ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Karamarioy oti exoyn ginei kakoi xeirismoi sto qema ths Olympiakhs Aeroporias.

ANTWNAROS: Gia to qema ths Olympiakhs Aeroporias exw topoqethqei, tis teleytaies hmeres, epaneilhmmenws. Exw ejhghsei se baqos ton tropo me ton opoio xeirizetai ypeyqyna h shmerinh kybernhsh ayto to poly periploko qema poy mas erxetai apo poly palia, apo polla xronia prin. Sas exw dwsei polles leptomereies kai nomizw oti aytes oles oi leptomereies akribws anadeiknyoyn to lew gia mia akomh fora-- ton ypeyqyno tropo me ton opoio h kybernhsh antimetwpizei, xeirizetai to sygkekrimeno qema poy brisketai se mia poly lepth kamph.

SMYRNHS: Exei steilei epistolh o k. Karamarios ston Prwqypoyrgo, sthn opoia kanei logo gia ypoyrgoys oi opoioi parasyroyn kai ekqetoyn ton Prwqypoyrgo sto zhthma ths Olympiakhs;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw. O Prwqypoyrgos, opws gnwrizete, dexetai, kai apo toys boyleytes polles epistoles kai den eimai, bebaiws, se qesh na tis gnwrizw. Egw apo th qesh moy topoqetoymai genika kai oysiastika sto qema ths Olympiakhs me osa sas exw pei tis teleytaies hmeres kai osa, bebaiws, an me rwthsete, qa sas pw kai shmera kai ayrio, ean exw th xara na eimai edw mazi sas.

KAKALHS: Gia poio ypeyqyno tropo, milate, xeirismoy apo th meria ths kybernhshs, ths Olympiakhs, poies maxes dinei h kybernhsh gia thn Olympiakh, otan o idios o Prwqypoyrgos, se synenteyjh poy eixe dwsei ston Alpha, stis 12 Septembrh, liges hmeres prin tis ekloges, eixe pei oti ean den broyme to shmeio synennohshs me thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh  sas diabazw ta logia toy-- h estw se dikastikh diamaxh, to fysiko epakoloyqo qa einai na kleisei h Olympiakh. Den htan dromologhmenh, dhladh, h ejelijh toy kleisimatos, sta sxedia ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Xairomai, loipon, poy lete oti o Prwqypoyrgos milhse me ena ``an''. Ekeinh th stigmh poy o Prwqypoyrgos edwse th synenteyjh briskontan se ejelijh diapragmateyseis, briskotan se ejelijh enas dialogos. Exw pei --kai xqes kai proxqes poy breqhka edw-- oti oi diapragmateyseis aytes synexizontai. Ginontai akomh diaboyleyseis. Molis thn perasmenh ebdomada, o armodios Ypoyrgos, ek meroys ths kybernhshs, ekproswpwntas thn ellhnikh kybernhsh, breqhke stis Bryjelles. Yparxoyn polla qemata ta opoia akomh syzhtoyntai. Ekeino to opoio, opws sas eipa, exei shmasia einai na ejasfalistoyn ola ekeina ta shmeia gia ta opoia h shmerinh ellhnikh kybernhsh exei desmeyqei oti qa ejasfalistoyn. Ta exete akoysei polles fores.

KAKALHS: Poso sobara mporei na parei kaneis tis proqeseis ths kybernhshs oti dinei maxh stis Bryjelles sto onoma ths Olympiakhs, otan h idia eixe dromologhsei sta sxedia ths to kleisimo ths etaireias;

ANTWNAROS: Epimenete se kati to opoio, molonoti sas ejhghsa, den deixnete na qelete na to katalabete.

KAKALHS: Kai kati akoma. Eipate, xqes, gia ta xreh ths Olympiakhs...

ANTWNAROS: Malista.

KAKALHS: ... prokeimenoy na dikaiologhsete tis epiloges poy exei dromologhsei h kybernhsh. Omws, oi syndikalistes lene oti apo to 1994 kai meta den exei ektamieyqei apo ton Proypologismo oyte ena eyrw gia thn Olympiakh, ektos apo ta teleytaia poy mphkan logw ths diaithsias. Exete kapoia alla stoixeia gia na katarricete ayto ton isxyrismo;

ANTWNAROS: Kai ta elleimmata apo poy ekalyptonto;

KAKALHS: Apo ton Proypologismo pantws, oxi, lene.

ANTWNAROS: To ellhniko Dhmosio kalyptei ta elleimmata ths Olympiakhs. Eidallws, h etaireia den qa mporoyse na petaei.

KAKALHS: Kai den exete dwsei kai stoixeia, pantws, gia na tekmhriwsete oti einai tosa ta elleimmata.

ANTWNAROS: Exw dwsei asfalh stoixeia, jekaqara stoixeia kai ta stoixeia ayta, osoi gnwrizoyn to qema ths Olympiakhs, den ta amfisbhtoyn. Sas edwsa, molis xqes, stoixeia.

KAKALHS: Ma, emeis den ta gnwrizoyme. Exete kapoia pio sygkekrimena;

ANTWNAROS: Sas edwsa ta stoixeia, xqes.

KAKALHS: Eipate gia 450 ekat. to xrono xreh kai ...

ANTWNAROS: Diakosia saranta pente, sas eipa.

KAKALHS: Kai 2,2 dis eyrw synoliko xreos.

ANTWNAROS: Ta opoia, ean --sas eipa-- ypologistoyn oi diaithsies meiwnontai, katebainoyn se xamhlotero poso. Hmoyn poly akribhs se ayto poy eipa.

KAKALHS: Amfisbhtoyntai ayta ta stoixeia, sas lew kai an exete kapoia stoixeia na to tekmhriwsete.

ANTWNAROS: Einai apolyta safh ta stoixeia. Den yparxei kanenas logos amfisbhthshs.

TSIOYFOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, shmerina dhmosieymata anaferoyn plhrofories, symfwna me tis opoies h kybernhsh protiqetai na proxwrhsei kai sthn enopoihsh twn kladwn Ygeias twn asfalistikwn Tameiwn, sygkekrimena se pente Tameia Ygeias, antistoixa me ta asfalistika Tameia poy protiqetai na kanei h kybernhsh tis enopoihseis. Epibebaiwnete aytes tis plhrofories;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw kamia tetoia plhroforhsh.

SMYRNHS: Hqela na rwthsw to ejhs: Yphrje xqes o tragikos qanatos toy pilotoy. Yphrje oligwria twn meswn diaswshs, me dedomeno oti o anqrwpos epi 3,5 wres htan sth qalassa kai perisynelegh apo toyrkikh fregata kai apo ekei -an den kanw laqos- ton phre super puma; Giati den ton brhkan prwta oi Ellhnikes swstikes Arxes;

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas parakaloysa na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas poy eimai bebaios oti qa sas dwsei oles tis aparaithtes plhrofories. Eikazw oti h ptwsh toy aeroskafoys egine konta sto shmeio opoy briskotan h toyrkikh fregata h opoia symfwna me thn plhroforhsh poy exw epairne meros se mia askhsh. Amesws molis diapistwqhke h ptwsh toy aeroskafoys mesa apo to anoikto kanali doqhke ayto poy leme shma kindynoy, enhmerwqhkan dhladh ola ta parapleonta skafh kai profanws epeidh h ptwsh eixe ginei ekei, egine h anasyrsh ths soroy toy atyxoy kybernhth apo to toyrkiko ploio. To opoio, opws gnwrizete, paredwse th soro se ellhniko elikoptero.

ARMENHS: Exw mia erwthsh gia to qema ths onomasias twn Skopiwn meta kai tis xqesines dhlwseis toy k. Nimits. Qelw na rwthsw an symfwneite oti yparxei mia antifatikothta otan apo th mia pleyra akoyme gia entatikopoihsh twn energeiwn kai twn synomiliwn kai apo thn allh oti den yparxei xronodiagramma.

ANTWNAROS: Yparxei ontws mia entatikopoihsh. Yparxei mia epitaxynsh qa elega, aytos einai o swstos oros, ths diapragmateytikhs diadikasias h opoia symfwnhqhke apo ton k. Nimits, o opoios einai o dieqnhs diapragmateyths, o proswpikos apestalmenos-antiproswpos toy Genikoy Grammatea twn Hnwmenwn Eqnwn kai tis dyo pleyres. Kai opws gnwrizete symfwnhqhke apo tis dyo pleyres katopin synennohsews me ton k. Nimits na ginei mia prwth synanthsh twn dyo diapragmateytwn, me thn paroysia toy k. Nimits, ton Ianoyario sth geitonikh mas xwra. Kai sto epomeno stadio problepetai oti qa ginei kai antistoixh synanthsh sthn Aqhna. Ayto akribws einai mia epitaxynsh ths diadikasias enocei kai orismenwn, sygkekrimenwn xronikwn staqerwn, an qelete, poy yparxoyn. Den qa ypeiselqw se perissoteres leptomereies. Opws jerete h ellhnikh kybernhsh, h ellhnikh pleyra sebetai apolytws thn diadikasia h opoia exei symfwnhqei gia thn proodo twn diapragmateysewn. Otan yparxei kati kainoyrgio, opws xqes poy apofasisthke kai koinopoihqhke h epitaxynsh ths diadikasias, enhmerwqhkate oloi.

KAKALHS: Ep aytoy. Epibebaiwnete tis plhrofories oti sto eggrafo Nimits yparxei anafora se yparjh makedonikhs meionothtas sthn Ellada;

ANTWNAROS: Den jerw to eggrafo Nimits poy epikaleisqe. Alla kai an to hjera pali den qa ekana kamia dhmosia anafora, dioti opws sas eipa h diadikasia problepei metajy twn allwn thn thrhsh ths Arxhs ths empisteytikothtas, thn opoia h ellhnikh pleyra sebetai.

KAKALHS: Nai, ayto to qema omws, ayth h anafora exei ginei kai paliotera apo to State Department kai gia ayto to qewrw kapws fysiologiko na to anaparagei o k. Nimits.

ANTWNAROS: Mporeite eseis na qewreite polla pragmata fysiologika ta opoia egw den qewrw fysiologika. Den shmainei oti prepei na symfwnhsoyme epi toy ti einai fysiologiko kai ti oxi.

KAKALHS: Thn plhroforia zhtame, an yparxei sto eggrafo.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa molis.

Sas eyxaristw.

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