Greek Government Press Briefing, 07-02-22

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GENIKH GRAMMATEIA ENHMERWSHS

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 22 Febroyarioy 2007

Ariqmos Deltioy: 58862143

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ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 22 Febroyarioy 2007

Xairete.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, meta th synanthsh poy eixe me ton Proedro ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias o k. Papandreoy, ekane mia dhlwsh. Afoy ejefrase tis anhsyxies toy gia tis ejelijeis sto Kypriako, katelhje legontas oti qa eprepe na yparxei mia eqnikh politikh sto Kypriako, h opoia den yparxei. Kai rwtw: Prwton, yparxei h den yparxei eqnikh politikh sto Kypriako. Kai deyteron, ayth h politikh thn opoia askei h ellhnikh kybernhsh den einai arage eqnikh politikh; Ti einai;

ANTWNAROS: H politikh poy askeitai apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh, poy askeitai apo thn ellhnikh Politeia sta qemata ths ejwterikhs politikhs einai ypeyqynh. Einai mia politikh h opoia ejyphretei ta eqnika symferonta, proaspizetai ta eqnika symferonta, proagei tis qeseis mas se ola ta epipeda opoy syzhtoyntai qemata ejwterikhs politikhs. Gnwrizete, epishs, oti syzhteitai kai sto eswteriko ths xwras se polla epipeda. Pote allote sto parelqon den eixe synedriasei toses polles fores to Symboylio Ejwterikhs Politikhs kai pote allote sto parelqon den eixan syzhthqei kai sta plaisia ths leitoyrgias toy Koinoboylioy ta qemata ejwterikhs politikhs toso syxna, toso se baqos, toso tekmhriwmena.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kai o logos toy k. Papandreoy ti shmainei;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

MAYRIDHS: Xqes, k. Ekproswpe, apo edw, apo to briefing, sas rwthsa ean askoyntai pieseis stoys boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias gia na yperchfisoyn orismena arqra sto plaisio ths anaqewrhshs toy Syntagmatos kai me apophrate, legontas ``ma, ti einai ayta poy lete''.

ANTWNAROS: Den sas apophra. Pros Qeoy. Apanthsh sas edwsa.

MAYRIDHS: En pash periptwsei. Moy eipate ``ti einai ayta poy lete'' kai den yparxei kamia piesh. Shmera, kykloforhse ena eggrafo to opoio einai apo ton k. Stayroy, me to opoio oyte ligo oyte poly dinetai mia grammh stoys boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias gia poia arqra kai poies diatajeis prepei na chfisoyn. Ayto pws to ermhneyete;

ANTWNAROS: Menw se ayto poy sas eipa xqes. H topoqethsh kai h chfoforia toy kaqe boyleyth sta qemata ths syntagmatikhs anaqewrhshs enapokeitai sth syneidhsh toy.

MAYRIDHS: Ayto edw pera, omws, to eggrafo den antibainei se ayto poy lete;

ANTWNAROS: Den to gnwrizw, alla sas lew oti ekeino to opoio metraei sth shmerinh chfoforia einai h ekfrash kata syneidhsh toy kaqe boyleyth. As perimenoyme ta apotelesmata ths chfoforias.

MAYRIDHS: Epitrecte moy k. Ekproswpe. Edw pera yparxei mia oloklhrh lista me ypodeijeis gia sygkekrimena arqra kai me megalh leptomereia.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti den gnwrizw to keimeno h to eggrafo to opoio epikaleiste. Kai en pash periptwsei, isxyei kata thn chfoforia ayto to opoio sas exw pei. Ayto ekfrazei thn kybernhtikh qesh.

MAYRIDHS: H yparjh kai monon aytoy toy eggrafoy den dhmioyrgei mia piesh stoys boyleytes;

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei kamia apolytws piesh. Menw sth xqesinh moy dhlwsh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Eipate oti menete mono sthn arxh oti o kaqe boyleyths chfizei kata syneidhsh. Oi boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias omws kai qa anaferqw onomastika ston Kyriako Mhtsotakh, sthn k. Elsa Papadhmhtrioy, exoyn diafwnhsei me to periexomeno kai thn kateyqynsh poy dinei h kybernhsh sto arqro 24. Kai malista ekfrazoyn dhmosiws sobares epifylajeis, opws lene, gia thn kateyqynsh ths kybernhtikhs protashs. Ep` aytoy ti lete; Yparxei endexomeno na tropopoihqei...

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, den exete antilhfqei oti exoyme ftasei sthn wra ths chfoforias.

PALAIOLOGOS: Oxi, egw to exw antilhfqei. Lew, sthn epomenh Boylh, sthn anaqewrhtikh qa parameinei ws exei to en logw arqro;

ANTWNAROS: Yparxei mia sygkekrimenh diadikasia h opoia akoloyqeitai kata thn anaqewrhsh. Sas parakalw na enhmerwqeite sfairika kai plhrws gia th diadikasia wste na antilhfqeite se poio stadio briskomaste twra kai to ti qa ginei sthn epomenh Boylh, h opoia qa einai --opws sas exw pei--ypoxrewtika anaqewrhtikh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Aytes oi systaseis poy moy apeyqynate aforoyn kai ston k. Mhtsotakh;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi.

PALAIOLOGOS: ... ton epitimo Proedro, o opoios milhse molis xqes kai eipe na dieyrynqei h atzenta ths anaqewrhshs.

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka ep` aytwn twn qematwn molis xqes h proxqes. Den exw na prosqesw kati allo. Allwste, osa moy eipate apodeiknyoyn ayto poy lew egw: Oti oi boyleytes topoqetoyntai kata syneidhsh sta qemata ths syntagmatikhs anaqewrhshs.

KAKALHS: Sthn prometwpida twn proeklogikwn ejaggeliwn ths Neas Dhmokratias htan kai h desmeysh gia ayjhsh twn dapanwn gia thn Paideia sto 5%, synodeyomenh apo th diakhryjh oti h Paideia einai prwth proteraiothta gia thn kybernhsh. Parola ayta, epi tria xronia, oxi mono den ayjhqhkan oi dapanes, ws pososto toy AEP, gia thn Paideia, alla kaqhlwqhkan. Prokeitai gia mia anakoloyqia proeklogikwn logwn kai ergwn h gia mia syneidhth epilogh poy odhgei sta idiwtika panepisthmia h sth leitoyrgia twn panepisthmiwn ws epixeirhseis;

ANTWNAROS: Qa moy epitrecete, gia mia akomh fora, na anaferqw se qemata xrhmatodothshs ths Paideias genika kai se qemata xrhmatodothshs ths Anwtaths Paideias eidikotera. Prwton: Se o,ti afora sto skelos ths dhmosias xrhmatodothshs gia thn Anwtath Ekpaideysh ayth kineitai ta teleytaia xronia symfwna me ta stoixeia toy OOSA, kata meso oro sto 1,3% toy AEP, pososto to opoio einai to ychlotero metajy twn xwrwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs.

TSIOYFOS: Otan lete ``kineitai'', ti ennoeite;

ANTWNAROS: Einai pososto epi toy AEP. Eimai poly safhs se ayto to opoio lew. Deyteron: Ajizei na shmeiwqei oti sthn Ellada oi poroi gia thn Anwtath Ekpaideysh einai apokleistika kai mono dhmosioi, enw stis alles xwres ths Eyrwphs oi poroi proerxontai kai apo ta idiwtika kefalaia. Synepws, diafora dhmosieymata poy epimenoyn na emfanizoyn th xwra mas ws ``oyrago'' sth xrhmatodothsh pros thn Anwtath Ekpaideysh, apodeiknyontai toylaxiston anajiopista kai prokaloyn eyloges apories ws pros th skopimothta toys, kaqws kanoyn epilektikh xrhsh stoixeiwn. Erxomai twra, sto qema ths xrhmatodothshs ths Paideias genikotera kai epanalambanw stoixeia poy sas exoyme janadwsei: Apo to 2004 ews to 2006, dhladh, me th shmerinh kybernhsh, ta kondylia gia thn Paideia ayjhqhkan kata 1.411 ekatommyria eyrw. Kata ta teleytaia eji xronia ths diakybernhshs ths xwras apo to PASOK --eji xronia se sygkrish me ligotera apo tria ths Neas Dhmokratias-- ayjhqhkan kata 1.635 ekatommyria eyrw. Dhladh, to idio sxedon poso se eji xronia me PASOK enanti triwn etwn kata th diakybernhsh apo th Nea Dhmokratia. To poso gia thn Paideia ayjanetai synexeia kai ayjanetai me ryqmoys oi opoioi einai poly chloteroi, yperdiplasioi apo ton ethsio plhqwrismo. Sygkekrimena: To 2005 se sxesh me to 2004 ayjhqhkan kata 7,4%, to 2006 se sxesh me to 2005 kata 9,5% kai h problech �--to lew dioti den exoyme akomh ta oristika stoixeia-- gia to 2007 se sxesh me to 2006, symfwna me tis probleceis poy kanoyme, kata 6,1%. Prokeitai loipon gia shmantikh paraplhroforhsh, otan lene kapoioi kai eidika aytoi oi opoioi den exoyn kanena ma kanena programma gia thn Paideia --kai den anaferomai bebaia k. Kakalh se esas, ayto einai safes-- oti den yparxei eparkhs xrhmatodothsh ths Paideias, oti dhqen den yparxei ayjhsh twn kondyliwn gia thn Paideia. Oi ariqmoi einai ta pio adiaceysta stoixeia.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite. Ola ayta poy eipate den anairoyn to gegonos, oyte eseis to diaceysate, oti ws pososto toy AEP oi dapanes gia thn Paideia den exoyn ayjhqei, antiqeta exoyn meiwqei.

ANTWNAROS: Ta panepisthmia kai h ellhnikh Paideia den zoyn me anafores se pososta...

KAKALHS: 5% epi toy AEP eixate yposxeqei.

ANTWNAROS: Zoyn me sygkekrimena posa ta opoia dioxeteyontai pros aytoys toys tomeis entos twn dynatothtwn poy exei h ellhnikh oikonomia gia thn opoia jerete se ti xalia thn parelabe apo tis prohgoymenes kybernhseis h shmerinh kybernhsh. Ta posa ayta ayjanontai me ryqmo poy einai ikanopoihtikos. Den isxyrizomai oti mas ikanopoiei apolyta. Sas edwsa, omws, ta noymera poy kaneis den mporei na ta amfisbhthsei.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, hqela na rwthsw, ean htan se gnwsh ths kybernhshs, to xarti poy epikalesthke kai o synadelfos kai to opoio doqhke xqes to brady stoys boyleytes toy kybernwntos kommatos kai poy sthn pragmatikothta apoteloyse xarth odhgiwn gia th shmerinh chfoforia sth Boylh.

ANTWNAROS: Epikaleiste, gia mia akomh fora, ena stoixeio to opoio den exei kamia ajia. Exw hdh topoqethqei.

SPYRAKH: To allo poy qa hqela na sas rwthsw, einai ean h kybernhsh exei na dwsei kati peraiterw se o,ti afora to xqesino deipno toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Proedro Papadopoylo, dedomenoy oti apo tis dhlwseis twn dyo arxhgwn doqhke dhmosiografika h entypwsh oti Aqhna kai Leykwsia exoyn diakrites apoceis se o,ti afora to zhthma ths ekmetalleyshs ths yfalokrhpidas.

ANTWNAROS: Den symmerizomai thn ermhneia thn opoia dinete. Menw stis dhmosies topoqethseis twn dyo politikwn andrwn.

POYLIDOY: Epi toy idioy qematos exw dyo erwthseis. Prwth erwthsh: Perysi tetoia epoxh peripoy h kypriakh kybernhsh eixe steilei ena ploio sth Mersina kai o k. Iakwboy eixe jexasei na enhmerwsei thn k. Mpakogiannh epeidh htan en pthsei, eixe pei. Fetos, h kypriakh kybernhsh synomologhse mia symfwnia me ton Libano, alla epishs o k. Lilikas, den prolabe na enhmerwsei thn k. Mpakogiannh giati ola etrejan para poly grhgora. To prwto erwthma einai ean eiste ikanopoihmenoi apo ayth thn ejhghsh;

ANTWNAROS: Exoyn topoqethqei kai oi dyo pleyres ep` aytoy me apolyta ikanopoihtiko tropo.

POYLIDOY: Exei perigrafei to peristatiko. Den exei ajiologhqei.

ANTWNAROS: Exei topoqethqei h k. Mpakogiannh kata thn omilia ths sthn Epitroph ths Boylhs. Den exw na prosqesw kati allo.

POYLIDOY: Deyterh erwthsh: O k. Papadopoylos, xqes, se dhlwsh toy eipe oti enas apo toys logoys poy epishs den enhmerwsan thn ellhnikh kybernhsh, htan gia na mhn thn epibarynei me fortio. Qelw na sas rwthsw, ean eseis qewreite fortio thn kypriakh prwtoboylia gia thn aneyresh petrelaioy.

ANTWNAROS: Sas exw apanthsei epaneilhmmenws oti h Kypriakh Dhmokratia einai anejarthto kai kyriarxo kratos, to opoio sta plaisia ths kyriarxias thn opoia askei exei to anafaireto dikaiwma na analambanei prwtoboylies.

POYLIDOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, otan o k. Papadopoylos leei oti qelei gia to kalo sas na mhn sas epibarynei me fortio, eseis toy apantate oti den einai fortio ayto. Ayto (den akoygetai)...

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. Topoqethqhka ws Ekproswpos ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Ayth einai h qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs.

MAYRIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epitrecte moy na epanelqw ligo se ayto to qema. Ean kapoios apo toys boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias parekklinei ayths ths grammhs...

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei grammh.

MAYRIDHS: ... Kai chfisei kata syneidhsh...

ANTWNAROS: Epimenete. Kai epanalambanw: Den yparxei grammh.

MAYRIDHS: Wraia, thn ypodeijh, loipon.

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei grammh, oyte ypodeijh. Oi boyleytes chfizoyn kata th syntagmatikh anaqewrhsh, kata syneidhsh.

MAYRIDHS: Den qa exoyn kamia epiptwsh;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. Edrazete thn erwthsh sas se laqos proypoqeseis.

SMYRNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, lete oti den yparxei ypodeijh h grammh th stigmh poy den exei stalei to eggrafo. Mas eipate oti den gnwrizete to eggrafo ayto, den to exete dei. Pws gnwrizete, loipon, ti leei mesa kai an ontws pernaei mia grammh poy mporei na einai laqos prwtoboylia;

ANTWNAROS: Gnwrizw thn topoqethsh ths kybernhshs.

PALAIOLOGOS: Loipon, gia na ginei katanohto, amfisbhteite thn yparjh toy eggrafoy;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti den gnwrizw thn yparjh tetoioy eggrafoy. Akoyste akribws tis dhlwseis poy ekana pro oligoy.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den xreiazetai na tis epanaferw, gi` ayto sas rwtaw. Thn amfisbhteite thn yparjh toy eggrafoy;

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw: Sas eipa oti den gnwrizw thn yparjh tetoioy eggrafoy. Parola tayta, oi boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias --opws qelw na elpizw kai oi boyleytes olwn twn kommatwn, alla opws gnwrizete oi boyleytes dyo kommatwn kai kyriws ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs epelejan ton aneyqyno dromo ths apoxhs-- chfizoyn kata syneidhsh kata th syntagmatikh anaqewrhsh.

KAKALHS: Pros ti ayth h skopimh diglwssia sto qema toy asfalistikoy apo th meria twn Ypoyrgwn ths kybernhshs. Apo th mia exoyme ton k. Tsitoyridh na diabebaiwnei oti den qa ginei kamia allagh sta oria hlikias stis eisfores kai loipa kai apo thn allh o k. Alogoskoyfhs na to afhnei anoikto.

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei kamia diglwssia. H qesh ths kybernhshs einai apolytws safhs.

KAKALHS: Poia einai ayth; Toy k. Alogoskoyfh h toy k. Tsitoyridh;

ANTWNAROS: Exoyme topoqethqei. Ginetai enas dialogos prokeimenoy na sygkentrwqoyn ola ekeina ta stoixeia kai na syzhthqei to qema stis pragmatikes toy diastaseis apo thn kybernhsh poy qa prokycei apo tis epomenes ekloges.

KAKALHS: Ara, lete eseis ayto poy eipe o k. Alogoskoyfhs kai oxi ayto poy eipe o k. Tsitoyridhs. O k. Tsitoyridhs apeklise omws na yparjei lysh sto asfalistiko sthn kateyqynsh ths allaghs twn oriwn hlikias kai twn eisforwn, ths meiwshs twn syntajewn.

ANTWNAROS: Einai safes ayto poy eipa. Den yparxei kamia apoklish stis topoqethseis twn melwn ths kybernhshs.

SMYRNHS: Yparxei kapoia ejelijh gia thn kalych ths qeshs toy dioikhth toy IKA;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Otan yparjei kati qa to plhroforhqeite armodiws.

PALAIOLOGOS: Sabbatokyriako mhpws; Se nekro xrono;

ANTWNAROS: Den synhqizei h kybernhsh ayth pote na aifnidiazei. Den to exei kanei pote kai oyte prokeitai na to kanei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ayto einai gegonos.

ANTWNAROS: Aifnidiazontai mono oi anetoimoi.

Sas eyxaristw.

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