Greek Government Press Briefing, 07-01-18

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GENIKH GRAMMATEIA ENHMERWSHS

Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 18 Ianoyarioy 2007

Ariqmos Deltioy: 52322351

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 18 Ianoyarioy 2007

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs, ayrio, stis 10.30, qa synanthqei sto Megaro Majimoy me ton ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs Anastasio Papalhgoyra.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SMYRNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eidame shmera ena dhmosieyma gia tis kameres sta ghpeda kai exw na rwthsw to ejhs: Poios qa tis plhrwsei; An to kostos dhladh qa epibarynei tis omades h to kratos kai an einai enas proaggelos gia na epitrapei na mpoyn kameres kai sthn Aqhna.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to gnwrizw. Parakalw apeyqynqeite sto ypoyrgeio Aqlhtismoy kai sto ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs. Ean to plhroforhqw nwritera apo esas, qa sas enhmerwsw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gnwrizete ean o ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs, epeidh stis dhlwseis toy den eipe polla pragmata, edwse stoixeia ston Prwqypoyrgo gyrw apo ayth thn tromokratikh epiqesh sthn Amerikanikh Presbeia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O ypoyrgos enhmerwse ton Prwqypoyrgo gia thn poreia twn ereynwn. Qa moy epitrecete na mhn pw tipote perissotero apo o,ti exei pei o k. Polydwras.

GKOYTZANHS: Diamartyrhqhke o k. Polydwras gia thn amfisbhthsh poy qewrei oti toy kanoyn alla stelexh ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, giati den qewrei kati tetoio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai pali gia ta onomata aytwn twn fygostratwn: Oloi sthn kybernhsh lene oti qeloyn na doqoyn sth dhmosiothta. Den mporeite na ta dwsete; Dwste ta sthn ESHEA ean den qelete na ta dwsete alloy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na mhn sas koyrasw, epanalambanontas ayta poy eipa thn perasmenh ebdomada. O k. Meimarakhs exei kanei kai shmera dhlwseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai, alla omws o k. Meimarakhs eipe oti qelei na ta dwsoyn. Oloi qelete na ta dwsete kai h Arxh, twra, einai to problhma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa sebastoyme toys nomoys kai to Syntagma; Qa toys sebastoyme. To exoyme epanalabei.

GKOYTZANHS: Mias kai exoyme syntagmatikh anaqewrhsh se ejelijh, mhpws skefteste na janadeite to syntagmatiko plaisio ths leitoyrgias twn anejarthtwn Arxwn giati dhmioyrgoyn problhmata;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Mporei na diafwnei kapoios, alla ofeilei na sebastei -opws exoyme pei kai alles fores- th syntagmatikh katoxyrwsh toys.

GKOYTZANHS: Gi` ayto. Epeidh einai qema poy mporei na thn allajei twra th syntagmatikh katoxyrwsh, exontas ta dedomena ths empeirias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Dhladh, ennoeite na mhn einai pleon syntagmatika katoxyrwmenes;

GKOYTZANHS: Oxi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na allajei to Syntagma... Opws gnwrizete, den leei oti oi Arxes prepei na pairnoyn tis tade apofaseis kai oxi tis deina apofaseis. Einai qema krishs apo ena shmeio kai meta. H krish, kata th gnwmh moy, allazei analoga me ta dedomena. Otan gennwntai nea zhthmata, antimetwpizontai. Gia paradeigma, qemata klimatistikwn allagwn den mporoyse na syzhthsei kaneis prin apo 50-60 xronia. Ta syzhta tis teleytaies dekaeties, eidika sthn epoxh mas, me thn ennoia ths anhsyxias gia to mellon. Yparxei mia seira apo zhthmata ta opoia gennwntai sthn poreia toy xronoy, analoga me thn poreia ths idias ths zwhs.

GKOYTZANHS: Na to perigracw poly sygkekrimena;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Parakalw.

GKOYTZANHS: Kapoy diabasa oti h Arxh ayth den eixe epitrecei na doqoyn sth dhmosiothta ta onomata twn katasthmatwn ths paraliakhs poy poylane ``mpompes'', giati qigontan atomika dikaiwmata twn idiokthtwn toys. Exoyme kapoies tetoies yperboles. Me kapoio tropo, ean einai syntagmatiko qema mesa se syntagmatikh anaqewrhsh, ama einai qema nomoqetikhs ryqmishs mesa apo mia nomoqetikh prwtoboylia, skopeyei h kybernhsh na epanejetasei ayto to plaisio leitoyrgias twn Arxwn; Ayto einai to erwthma kai nomizw oti den einai mono diko moy, etsi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epeidh etyxe na diabasw kai to Syntagma kai to nomo, o opoios chfisthke apo thn proprohgoymenh Boylh eis efarmoghn odhgias ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs: Yparxei anafora sto Syntagma, h opoia einai genikh, opws synhqizetai se aytes tis periptwseis. Pio eidikh anafora sto nomo, h opoia omws -akomh kai h pio eidikh anafora- ejhgei, anaferei th sobarothta peristasewn, periptwsewn, ypoqesewn k.o.k. Apo ekei kai meta, mpainei h krish twn melwn ths kaqe anejarthths Arxhs. Den qa kanw kriseis epi twn krisewn twn melwn, opws katalabainete, giati einai atelesforh h syzhthsh.

KALARITHS: O k. Meimarakhs pantws shmera, meta th synanthsh me ton Prwqypoyrgo, epanelabe oti prepei na epanajetastei to plaisio leitoyrgias toy. Rwtw, giati to dhlwse amesws meta th synanthsh toy me ton k. Karamanlh: Ayth einai mia apoch thn opoia symmerizetai o Prwqypoyrgos, peri anaqewrhshs toy plaisioy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me rwtate ws Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo kai sas apantw ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos. Den gnwrizw poia einai h dhlwsh toy ypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Amynas. Se kaqe periptwsh, h ypoqesh twn onomatwn - mias kai milame gia th gnwsth ypoqesh poy anaferetai sto ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas - nomizw oti exei ejantlhqei. Exoyme kanei dhlwseis kai o k. Meimarakhs kai egw. Den nomizw oti exw na pw tipote perissotero.

MAYRIDHS: Dhmioyrgei problhma kai kapoio politiko kostos sthn kybernhsh ayth h leitoyrgia twn anejarthtwn Arxwn; Giati o k. Meimarakhs kati tetoio ypainixqhke safws ejw apo to Megaro Majimoy, otan dhlwne oti ``kai emeis krinomaste apo toys polites, apologoymaste stoys polites kai prepei na prostateytoyme kai emeis''.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O syndyasmos twn dyo qematwn, opws kai an apanthsw dhladh, odhgei se symperasmata ta opoia qa einai makran ths pragmatikothtas. Qa apanthsw, anejarthtws toy syndyazomenoy erwthmatos poy moy kanate: Prwton, Anejarthtes Arxes exoyme katoxyrwmenes apo to Syntagma. Deyteron, h kybernhsh sebetai tis Anejarthtes Arxes, giati oi Anejarthtes Arxes einai kommati ths Politeias. Apo ekei kai pera, h gnwsth kai palaia rhsh ``kai oi krinontes, krinontai'' isxyei. Den mporei na pei kaneis oti den isxyei. H kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias exei epilejei na mhn kanei krish epi twn dikastikwn apofasewn kat` arxas -den einai dikasthrio h Anejarthth Arxh- kai en prokeimenw kai gia tis Anejarthtes Arxes.

GKOYTZANHS: Xqes kai shmera exoyme kapoies plhrofories gia allages kai anakatatajeis poy ginontai se enan megalo thleoptiko staqmo. Eseis eiste armodios Ypoyrgos. Parakoloyqeite thn ypoqesh giati emplekontai kai yparxoyn plhrofories kai eyqynes gia ta oikonomika toy. Yparxei mia anasfaleia sto staqmo gia toys ergazomenoys, akoygontai peri piqanwn apolysewn. Parakoloyqeite to qema;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei mia seira nomwn oi opoioi throyntai, se periptwseis poy anaferontai sta oikonomika twn megalwn epixeirhsewn, twn mikrwn epixeirhsewn, twn epixeirhsewn MME, opws kai olwn twn allwn epixeirhsewn. Den empiptei sthn armodiothta moy kamia apo tis allages gia tis opoies diabazw oti ginontai ston thleoptiko staqmo. Kata synepeia antilambaneste, oti den exw nomimo dikaiwma na asxolhqw me to qema.

GKOYTZANHS: Egw rwthsa perissotero gia toys synadelfoys dhmosiografoys, prwhn dikoys sas kai nyn dikoys mas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora th syneisfora twn dhmosiografwn kai ths dhmosiografias genikotera sth Dhmokratia, h apoch moy einai palaioqen gnwsth. Apo kei kai pera, kalo einai na doyleyoyn oi staqmoi, kalo einai na doyleyoyn oi efhmerides. Na yparxoyn efhmerides, na yparxoyn Mesa Enhmerwshs, na ergazontai oi dhmosiografoi, na mhn exoyme anergia kai s` ayton ton klado, opws ei dynaton kai se kanenan allo.

MAYRIDHS: Ena sxolio gia th xqesinh katastash poy epikrathse sto kentro ths Aqhnas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ennoeite ta epeisodia. Qa elega oti h xqesinh einai mia eikona poy mila apo monh ths. Mila apo monh ths kaqoson blepoyme astynomikoys na ginontai qymata epiqeshs me bombes molotof, oi opoies bgainoyn mesa apo panepisthmiako idryma. Profanws kataskeyasthkan mesa sto panepisthmiako idryma. Einai mia idiotyph antilhch orismenwn gia to panepisthmiako asylo. Exw pei ki allh fora oti to panepisthmiako asylo exei thn apolyth antistrofh se oti afora, polles fores, ayta poy ginontai sthn Ellada. Asylo sta panepisthmia yparxei, wste na yparxei eleyqeria skechs kai oxi gia na kataskeyazoyn kapoioi bombes molotof kai na epitiqentai eite se astynomikoys, eite se opoiondhpote polith, eite sthn perioysia toy panepisthmioy. Tis proalles, synanthsa to megalo mas zwgrafo, Giannh Moralh, o opoios moy elege oti apo ennea portreta poy eixe zwgrafisei o idios se palaioteres dekaeties -o Giannhs Moralhs htan kaqhghths sth sxolh Kalwn Texnwn sto EMP- ta 7 katastrafhkan se ekeinh thn perifhmh pyrkagia poy eixe jespasei ejaitias epeisodiwn prin apo merika xronia sto Polytexneio kai th qymomaste oloi. H kataxrhsh toy asyloy einai, loipon, egklhma se baros oxi mono ths perioysias alla kai toy politismoy kai ths eleyqerias kai twn dhmokratikwn dikaiwmatwn twn Ellhnwn politwn.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kala ta eipate, alla to mega erwthma toy ellhnikoy laoy einai, pws skeptetai h kybernhsh na antimetwpisei ayth thn eikona h opoia den mas tima kaqoloy, na blepei o kosmos na kaigontai astyfylakes, na kaigontai perioysies; Moy elege enas poy exei katasthma sthn Panepisthmioy, dialyomeqa, den doyleyoyme, Stadioy, Panepisthmioy. Ti qa ginei me ayth h katastash; Pws qa thn antimetwpisei to kratos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora ta zhthmata poy anaferate, gnwrizete oti ena apo ayta aptetai twn metarryqmisewn tis opoies exei proteinei h kybernhsh. Milame gia thn kataxrhsh poy ginetai sto asylo. Oi metarryqmiseis poy einai ypo syzhthsh kai qa ginoyn nomos toy kratoys otan teleiwsei aytos, o makrys se xroniko diasthma kai anoixtos se apoceis, dialogos.

KAKALHS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti h eikona mila apo monh ths. H eikona milage apo monh ths kai sthn periptwsh ths zarntinieras sth Qessalonikh, poy eidame ekei koykoyloforoys astynomikoys na droyn. Dhladh, mexri twra den exei deijei h astynomia oti den syndeetai me th drash koykoyloforwn. Mhpws gi` ayto den syllambanontai oi koykoyloforoi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Xairomai poy qymhqhkate thn ypoqesh dioti htan ontws ena poly megalo qema. Sas qymizw oti htan prwto qema se polla Mesa Enhmerwshs. H zarntiniera eipate eseis. Egw den qa to pw kat` antistijh, gia na mhn pw oti h zarntiniera htan prwto qema kai oi astynomikoi poy kahkan xqes den htan prwto qema. En pash periptwsei, ektimw oti h eyaisqhsia twn dhmosiografwn, h eyaisqhsia ths koinhs gnwmhs, fanhke kai xqes kai fainetai kai shmera, apo thn antimetwpish ayths ths ypoqeshs, h opoia opws eipa den tima ton politismo mas, den tima kanena. H ypoqesh ekeinh exei ejantlhqei. Kai ejantlhqhke kai me entoles poy edwse o Ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs kai me thn EDE kai me tis peiqarxikes diwjeis oi opoies akoloyqhsan. Dhladh, h Politeia exei nomoys kai oi nomoi aytoi efarmozontai. H xqesinh ypoqesh deixnei mia jexwristh ``Politeia''. Giati xreiazetai megalo sebasmo se o,ti ekproswpei o oros Politeia, o opoios anakalyfqhke, grafthke apo toys arxaioys progonoys mas. Mia allh ``Politeia'' ftiaxnei bombes molotof, tis petaei eite se astynomikoys, eite se alloys polites kai ayth tygxanei asylias. Ayto einai poy anedeija. Kai qa to anadeiknyw me bronterh fwnh ws poliths aytoy toy topoy, o opoios sebetai ton sympolith toy, sebetai thn allh apoch, sebetai opwsdhpote omws, th Dhmokratia. Kai Dhmokratia den shmainei oti o enas qa petaei molotof kai qa dikaiwnetai kiolas.

KAKALHS: Mas lete dhladh oti ftaiei to asylo gia th drash twn koykoyloforwn gia toys opoioys den gnwrizoyme kai poioi krybontai apo pisw;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ekeino to opoio sas lew egw, einai oti apo panepisthmiako idryma - kai to eidate kai eseis  ebgainan, den jerw an htan foithtes aytoi oi ``kyrioi'' h oi ``kyries'' poy ebgainan, kratwntas mpoykalia mpyras, gemata benzinh, ta opoia einai gnwsta ws bombes molotof kai tis petoysan eite se astynomikoys toys opoioys ekacan - tesseris, pente astynomikoi phran fwtia - h opoydhpote alloy. Apo to Panepisthmio bghkan. Den bghkan apo kapoy alloy. O logos poy den mporei kapoios na gnwrizei perissotera stoixeia einai giati yparxei to panepisthmiako asylo. Kalws yparxei to panepisthmiako asylo, alla gia alloys logoys. Egw lew oti to panepisthmiako asylo einai gia na exei thn eleyqeria ths gnwmhs kai ths skechs h panepisthmiakh koinothta, eite anaferomaste se kaqhghtes, eite se foithtes. Oxi gia na ftiaxnoyn kapoioi bombes molotof mesa sta panepisthmia kai ana pasa stigmh na tis petane opoy qeloyn kai na kaine ton kosmo.

SPYRAKH: Xqes sto kentriko deltio eidhsewn toy MEGA o Prytanhs toy EMP Aqhnwn, paradexthke oti gia mia oloklhrh dekapentaetia yparxei mia estia ypo katalhch mesa sto xwro toy Polytexneioy, mesa sto xwro toy asyloy, h opoia estia endexomenws na apotelei kai phgh paranomwn drasthriothtwn opws ejelissetai to zhthma. Qelw na rwthsw an h kybernhsh qa analabei prwtoboylia na synennohqei me tis prytanikes arxes poy exoyn kai thn eyqynh toy xwroy gia na mhn yparxei pleon ayth h estia. Qelw epishs na rwthsw kai kati allo gia thn politikh kalych twn koykoyloforwn, an moy epitrepetai o oros.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gnwrizete oti yparxei nomos, o opoios problepei to pws ginontai ereynes apo thn Eisaggelia entos toy panepisthmiakoy xwroy. Den einai qema, loipon, kybernhtikhs prwtoboylias. Einai qema ths panepisthmiakhs koinothtas, twn prytanikwn arxwn kai twn symmetexontwn ekei. Gnwrizete epishs oti h kybernhsh eyqarsws exei dhlwsei pws yparxei anagkh diamorfwshs toy tropoy me ton opoio antimetwpizoyn orismenoi to panepisthmiako asylo. Diamorfwshs pragmatikwn synqhkwn. Ayto einai poy exoyme pei eyqarsws. Ginetai syzhthsh kai elpizw oti qa katalhjei ekei opoy kai to panepisthmiako asylo den qa qigei. Ypo thn ennoia omws poy prepei na isxyei se olo ton kosmo. Alla kai apo thn allh pleyra kapoies memonwmenes omades den qa kanoyn xrhsh toy panepisthmiakoy asyloy gia na probainoyn se egklhmatikes energeies. Qymizw oti eixame antistoixes egklhmatikes energeies sth Qessalonikh. Eixame biasmo kopelas sth Qessalonikh. Eixame mia seira apo epeisodia eis baros politwn oi opoioi etyxe na breqoyn h na perasoyn mesa apo ton panepisthmiako xwro. Se kamia eynomoymenh Politeia ths Eyrwphs den symbainoyn ayta.

SPYRAKH: To deytero poy qelw na sas rwthsw einai to zhthma ths politikhs kalychs twn koykoyloforwn. Ektima h kybernhsh oti h drash twn koykoyloforwn akoma kai me th morfh ayths ths ``diamartyrias'' poy katalhgei kai se flegomenoys astynomikoys, kalyptetai politika apo kommata poy kinoyntai sto fasma ths aristeras;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exei pei kati tetoio h kybernhsh, oyte prokeitai na pw egw kati tetoio. Se kaqe periptwsh, ayto einai ena qema to opoio apo th stigmh poy qa mporesei na ereynhqei, qa apodeijei poioi einai oi egkefaloi - ean yparxoyn egkefaloi - pisw apo tetoioys drastes. Mporei na einai omades poy droyn ad hoc ekeinh th stigmh, epeidh to qymiko toys anebhke se ychla epipeda. Mporei na einai kati allo. Den to gnwrizw. Den qa mpw sth logikh twn eikasiwn.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Prwton, giati den syllambanontai otan einai ektos toy perifhmoy asyloy. Deyteron, giati otan syllambanontai afhnontai eleyqeroi; Einai ena erwthma to opoio tiqetai eyloga kaqhmerina.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sto deytero erwthma mas den nomizw oti exete dikio. Sto prwto, exw apanthsei se sxesh me to panepisthmiako asylo. Antilambaneste oti kaneis den mporei na pei prolhptika, kaneis astynomikos, kamia astynomikh dynamh, oti ``den qa afhsw na mpoyn mesa sto Panepisthmio kapoioi''. Giati otan kapoios mpainei ws foithths sto Panepisthmio - kai ayto einai mia akomh enisxysh twn oswn elega prohgoymenws - den mpainei fortwmenos me bombes molotof. Mpainei, briskei to yliko to opoio exei balei profanws alles wres kai se anypopto xrono, to ftiaxnei, to proetoimazei kai bgainei ejw gia na kanei ``ton epanastatiko toy agwna''.

SMYRNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, pantws shmera syndikalisths ths ELAS stoxopoihse to Synaspismo me aformh oti ena stelexos toy phge ws martyras yperaspishs enos diadhlwth poy synelhfqh gia epeisodia. Den ekfrazei thn kybernhsh o syndikalisths, alla deixnei mia proqesh, ena klima.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epistrecte moy na sxoliazw mono qemata poy aforoyn thn kybernhsh.

KAKALHS: Ti exete na peite gia kataggelia panepisthmiakwn oti eidan koykoyloforoys na apobibazontai apo kloyba ths ELAS mprosta apo th Boylh, ligo prin fqasei h poreia xqes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eimai bebaios oti qa exoyn th dynatothta na kanoyn aytes tis kataggelies oxi mono apo thleoptikwn paraqyrwn, alla na pane ston Eisaggelea kai na stoixeioqethsoyn thn apoch toys. Epishs, eimai bebaios, oti ean yphrxan tetoies eikones, qa tis eixan deijei ta kanalia. Qelw na pw, dhladh, oti den yparxei kapoio kanali to opoio qa akoyge ton opoion Roysopoylo thlefwnoyse kai elege ``exete tetoies eikones mhn tis deixnete''. Ara, loipon, eimai bebaios oti ean yphrxe ayto to opoio kataggelletai shmera, qa to eixame dei oloi stis oqones mas. Antiqetws, den eidame ayto to opoio kataggelletai, apo kapoion, den jerw poios einai aytos ton opoio anaferete. Eidame omws eikones astynomikwn na flegontai. An kapoioi prospaqoyn na apekdyqoyn twn eyqynwn, einai diko toys qema. As toys krinei h ellhnikh koinwnia.

KAKALHS: Epeidh den to edeijan ta kanalia shmainei oti den einai alhqeia; Ayto mas lete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Lew oti eimai bebaios oti ean yphrxe kati tetoio, tosoi dhmosiografoi htan ekei, eseis den gnwrizw ean hsastan ekei. Rwthste toys dhmosiografoys poy htan ekei, toys fwtoreporter, toys kameramen. Apokleietai oloys aytoys na toys epiase sto thlefwno h sto ayti kapoios Roysopoylos kai na toys eipe ``mh deixnete eikones''. To apokleiw. Qewrw, loipon, oti ean synebh ayto to peristatiko, mesa sto kentro ths Aqhnas, ejw apo th Boylh, qa to eixan dei sigoyra kai perissoteroi toy enos kyrioy o opoios to kathggeile.

KAKALHS: Analoges eikones exoyn dei kai palaiotera se analoges diadhlwseis.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti kopiazete adikws kai adikeite kai ton eayto sas.

GKOYTZANHS: Epeidh to eipate kai eseis shmera kyrie Ekproswpe, afhsate na ennohqei, to eipate safws, oti oi koykoyloforoi kataskeyazoyn tis molotof mesa sto Panepisthmio, mesa sto Polytexneio. Exete perissotera stoixeia gi' ayto h einai mia eikasia; Exete dei apo kameres na ftiaxnoyn tis molotof;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi den exoyme kamia kamera, oyte kai h proqesh mas einai na exoyme kameres mesa sto Panepisthmio h sto Polytexneio.

GKOYTZANHS: Apo to reportaz mporw na sas pw oti polles fores oi anarxikoi erxontai ``fortwmenoi'' apo alla merh h kykloforoyn ekei sto dromo kata th diarkeia ths poreias poy kanoyn, exontas tetoia mpoykalia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se kaqe periptwsh oti kai an isxyei, eite to ena, eite to allo, eite kai ta dyo, giati einai poly piqanon na isxyoyn kai ta dyo...

GKOYTZANHS: To lew ayto gia na mhn enoxopoioyme to asylo ej' orismoy oti se kaqe periptwsh...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se kaqe periptwsh eite isxyei to ena eite to allo, h kai ta dyo - kai egw na dexqw oti isxyoyn kai ta dyo - to bebaio einai oti tetoioi ``kyrioi'' briskoyn asylo gia poinikws kolasimes energeies entos toy panepisthmiakoy xwroy. To Panepisthmio den einai xwros poy dinei asylo se poinikws kolasimes energeies, se egklhmatikes prajeis.

BLABIANOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, shmera se thleoptiko kanali, o prwhn prytanhs toy Polytexneioy isxyristhke h apokalyce -opoio rhma qeloyme xrhsimopoioyme  oti epi 10etian yparxei katalhch mesa se xwro toy Polytexneioy. To gnwrizete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia 15etia milhse h k. Spyrakh. An milate gia to idio qema.

SPYRAKH: Yparxoyn kataggelies  aplws qeloyme na krathsoyme thn anwnymia twn anqrwpwn poy mas exoyn kanei thn kataggelia ayth  oti enas apo toys gnwstoys poy kineitai se ayton to xwro ton eponomazomeno ``twn koykoyloforwn'', kai einai gnwstos gia th drasthriothta toy, brisketai epishs mesa sto xwro ths katalhchs toy Polytexneioy. Einai dhladh apo aytoys poy to Polytexneio filojenei. Exete ypoch sas eseis ws armodia kybernhsh oti oi anqrwpoi aytoi oi opoioi ferontai ws epikefalhs aytwn twn drasthriothtwn briskoyn stegh sto Polytexneio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oyte h shmerinh kybernhsh - kai eimai bebaios oyte h xqesinh, oyte h proxqesinh - epeidh leitoyrgei opws leitoyrgei straba kai anapoda to asylo ston topo mas, einai se qesh na gnwrizei ti ginetai mesa sto Polytexneio. Parakalw na apeyqynqeite stis prytanikes Arxes. Tis apoteloyn kaqhghtes Panepisthmiwn, kata tekmhrio sobaroi anqrwpoi, episthmones oi opoioi gnwrizoyn kai toys kanones ths eleyqerias kai ths Dhmokratias kai sebontai ton synanqrwpo. Eimai bebaios, h elpizw toylaxiston oti qa parete mia pio peistikh apanthsh apo thn opoia eikasia qa mporoysate na parete apo ton opoiodhpote Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo.

SPYRAKH: Ekeino poy hqela na sas rwthsw einai dedomenoy oti to problhma einai sobaro, dedomenoy oti eidame pleon ektos apo thn dhmosia perioysia poy sto Polytexneio katastrafhke epaneilhmmena, kai anqrwpoys na kindyneyei h zwh toys me oles aytes tis diadikasies, qelw na rwthsw pote h kybernhsh protiqetai na proxwrhsei sthn telikh eyqeia ths anamorfwshs toy nomikoy plaisioy toy asyloy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H syzhthsh, opws sas exw pei, qa diarkoyse oso xroniko diasthma qewreito eylogo. Pisteyw oti exei diarkesei megalo xroniko diasthma. Eimai bebaios oti se syntomo xroniko diasthma qa eimaste se qesh na anakoinwsoyme perissotera pragmata apo osa sas lew shmera. H dhmosia ayth diaboyleysh krathse panw apo ena xrono. Gnwrizoyn oloi oi polites tis proqeseis ths kybernhshs. Exoyme akoysei kai emeis tis apoceis olwn twn forewn. Yparxoyn kaqhghtes kata dekades h kata ekatontades poy exoyn ypogracei keimena kai alloi poy exoyn symmetasxei sto dialogo. Eimai bebaios oti qa katalhjoyme se ena sxedio nomoy to opoio qa bohqhsei sthn anabaqmish ths poiothtas twn Anwtatwn Ekpaideytikwn Idrymatwn kai qa lysei kai problhmata, opws ayto to opoio eipame prohgoymenws.

Sas eyxaristw.

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