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Aqhna, 15 Noembrioy 2005

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO EPIKRATEIAS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

QEODWRO ROYSOPOYLO

Xairete.

Oloklhrwqhke h synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs poy asxolhqhke me to qema ths Olympiakhs Aeroporias. O armodios ypoyrgos k. Liaphs exei probei se dhlwsh, ejerxomenos toy Megaroy Majimoy. To apogeyma, meta th synedriash ths Diypoyrgikhs Epitrophs, qa ginoyn dhlwseis. Ws ek toytoy, den exw na sas pw twra kati perissotero.

Qa hqela na anaferqw se ena allo qema poy doqhke xqes sth dhmosiothta kai exei idiaiterh shmasia gia ta osa exoyn akoystei ton teleytaio kairo, sxetika me tis proslhceis sto Dhmosio. Anaferomai stis dhlwseis toy Proedroy toy ASEP k. Beh, o opoios me poly safh tropo kai me enargeia edwse mia seira apo endiaferonta stoixeia gia to ti akribws exei symbei sto zhthma twn proslhcewn kai fysika sto polysyzhthmeno zhthma ths synenteyjhs.

To prwto symperasma to opoio synagetai apo ta osa eipe o k. Behs einai oti sthn 10eth pleon qhteia toy ASEP, to 2004 -prwtos xronos diakybernhshs ths Neas Dhmokratias- einai h xronia me ta ligotera problhmata. To 2005, me ta ews twra stoixeia, bainei akomh kalytera. Arkei na shmeiwsoyme -apo ta stoixeia poy edwse o Proedros toy ASEP- oti apo to 1994 -prwth xronia efarmoghs toy ASEP- to pososto twn paratypiwn htan sto 62,5% twn qetikwn, me paratypies ennoeitai porismatwn. To 2000 to pososto ayto anhlqe sto 88,5%. To 2004 meiwqhke sto 35,7%, an kai th xronia ayth ayjhqhkan oi ypochfioi se diaforoys diagwnismoys.

To deytero symperasma afora th synenteyjh. Opws dhlwse o Proedros, eishghqhke kai o idios th synenteyjh ypo thn plhrh armodiothta toy ASEP. Ayto ekane prajh to arqro 4 toy N.3320/2005 kai twra to ASEP, opws akribws o nomos toy dinei thn armodiothta, organwnei to kaqestws ths synenteyjhs gia na einai entelws amerolhpth.

Qa mporoyse kaneis na apeyqynei ena erwthma se osoys espeysan na milhsoyn gia antisyntagmatikothta, wste na dwsoyn twra th dikh toys apoch gia ola ayta poy akoysthkan apo ton Proedro ths anejarthths Arxhs.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

BLAXOS: Aisqaneste thn anagkh, eseis proswpika kai h kybernhsh synolika kai kyriws o armodios ypoyrgos, na zhthsete sygnwmh apo ton ellhniko lao gia thn paraplhroforhsh poy yphrje to teleytaio diasthma gia to peribohto qema ths titlopoihshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oydemia paraplhforhsh yphrje. Opws gnwrizete, o armodios Epitropos exei symfwnhsei politika me thn ypoqesh ths titlopoihshs. O k. Alogoskoyfhs proebh xqes se poly analytikes dhlwseis gia ta qemata ayta. Mias kai moy dinete thn eykairia, qelw na shmeiwsw oti kamia allh eyrwpaikh xwra den katafere na kanei tosa polla se toso ligo xrono. Opws gnwrizete, paralabame ena elleimma se poly megalo pososto. To meiwsame perissotero apo dyo monades toy AEP. Parallhla, h xwra mas exei ryqmo anaptyjhs 3,6%, poy einai o chloteros ryqmos anaptyjhs sthn eyrwzwnh, exontas meiwsei kai to pososto ths anergias kata peripoy 1 posostiaia monada. Ayto anagnwrizetai ws idiaitera shmantikh ejelijh apo toys Eyrwpaioys kai toys dieqneis oikonomikoys paragontes. Einai safes oti h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph anagnwrizei thn proodo poy exei ginei to 2005, h opoia einai megalyterh apo tis 1,9 posostiaies monades toy AEP poy perimene h idia h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph, Epiteyxqei me diarqrwtika metra monimoy xarakthra kai oxi me metra poy exoyn proswrino xarakthra. To elleimma, xwris thn titlopoihsh, diamorfwnetai sto 4,4% toy AEP apo 6,6% poy htan prohgoymenws. Dhladh, h proodos einai 2,2 posostiaies monades toy AEP.

Anaforika me thn titlopoihsh, opws anakoinwse kai xqes o armodios ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, apofasisthke na mhn symperilhfqei h titlopoihsh sta esoda toy 2005. Qa yparxei mia shmeiwsh oti ayta qa lhfqoyn ypoch kai qa perilhfqoyn ston Proypologismo, otan oloklhrwqoyn oi texnikes diergasies poy ginontai ayth th stigmh se epipedo EUROSTAT. Se kaqe periptwsh, qymizw oti h titlopoihsh einai ena proswrino metro. Exei ginei, bebaiws, poly megalos qorybos gi` ayto to qema, poy einai katanohtos en merei. H prosarmogh poy prepei na ginei apo to 2005 sto 2006, den allazei apo to gegonos toy ean qa perilhfqei h oxi h titlopoihsh sta esoda toy proypologismoy. H titlopoihsh ayth qa htan ena proswrino esodo.

H ypoqesh, opws sas eipa kai prohgoymenws, oloklhrwnetai me syzhthseis sto telos toy 2005. H peraiterw proodos, poy ginetai to 2006, me ton proypologismo, poy qa kataqesoyme sth Boylh stis 21 Noembrioy, qa epiteyxqei kyriws me metra monimoy xarakthra poy qa epikentrwqoyn sth sygkrathsh twn dhmosiwn dapanwn, thn antimetwpish ths spatalhs kai ths forodiafyghs, xwris prosqeta forologika metra, me bash toys periorismoys kai tis dyskolies -kai htan polles- poy klhronomhsame. Akoloyqhsame mia ejairetika apotelesmatikh oikonomikh politikh, me thn ennoia oti exoyme epityxei megalh meiwsh toy elleimmatos, xwris koinwnikoys kradasmoys, xwris meiwsh ths anaptyjhs, xwris ayjhsh ths anergias.

Perysi tetoia epoxh, htan h antipoliteysh poy kindynologoyse, legontas oti h oikonomia me ton Proypologismo poy katateqhke tote qa shmeiwsei yfesh, qa exoyme ekrhjh ths anergias kai den qa epiteyxqei h meiwsh toy elleimmatos. Diaceysthke se ola.

BLAXOS: Me sygxwreite, hrqate poly proetoimasmenos gia na mas peite ola ayta ta opoia mas eipate, alla apo ayth thn idia qesh prin apo ligo kairo eixate pei eseis oti h titlopoihsh toy 2005 einai gegonos. Apo ayto to bhma mas eixate pei cemata. Shmera erxeste na mas peite diafora alla pragmata me kyriarxo oti den qa mpoyn neoi foroi. Giati na mhn qewrhsw oti kai shmera mas lete cemata;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas epistrefw to xarakthrismo eis diployn. Kai epeidh xrhsimopoihsate th frash ``cemata'' dyo fores, ara eis tetraployn. Qa parakalesw -ean qelete na exoyme mia synergasia, h opoia na kineitai sto plaisio ths eygeneias an mh ti allo- na xrhsimopoieite ekfraseis poy synadoyn kai me to xwro kai to dhmosiografiko leitoyrghma kai th sxesh ayth poy nomizw oti yparxei se ayth thn aiqoysa. Ayth einai h prwth parathrhsh@

BLAXOS: Eseis den eipate oti h titlopoihsh@

ROYSOPOYLOS: H deyterh parathrhsh: Na afhnete parakalw na oloklhrwnw tis apanthseis.

BLAXOS: Nai, bebaiws, me sygxwreite.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete olh thn anesh. Oydepote eipa oti qa fygw biastika apo ayth thn aiqoysa. Panta afhnw na ejantlhqoyn ta periqwria olwn twn erwthsewn. Kata synepeia, parakalw, opws den sas diakoptw otan rwtate, na mhn me diakoptete otan apantw. Trith parathrhsh kai teleytaia: Sas epanalambanw oti o kat` ejoxhn armodios Epitropos k. Almoynia, me dhmosies dhlwseis toy, exei dwsei thn politikh egkrish na proxwrhsei ayth h diadikasia. Ekeino to opoio apomenei kai den exei oloklhrwqei akomh einai h synexish twn syzhthsewn ths texnikhs epejergasias metajy ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs kai ths EUROSTAT. H texnikh epejergasia, opws sas eipa kai xqes, qa oloklhrwqei sto telos toy 2005. Ws ek toytoy, h kybernhsh den mporoyse na anamenei to telos toy 2005 gia na kataqesei ton Proypologismo. O Proypologismos qa katateqei stis 21 Noembrioy.

BLAXOS: Ayto einai allo pragma apo ayto poy mas eipate prin apo liges hmeres. Prin apo liges hmeres mas eipate oti h titlopoihsh toy 2005 exei teleiwsei. Edw, omws, mas lete thn pragmatikothta. Gi` ayto eipa oti tote mas eixate pei cemata, enw shmera mas lete thn pragmatikothta.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Xairomai poy diorqwsate kata to hmisy, giati prohgoymenws moy eipate oti kai shmera den sas eipa thn alhqeia.

BLAXOS: Oxi. Ta ``cemata'' paramenei san lejh. Shmera mas eipate thn alhqeia. Alla einai allo pragma ayto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayta poy eixa na sas pw gia thn titlopoihsh, ta eipa. Ta symperasmata einai dika sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Meta to xqesino epeisodio sto Afganistan, h ellhnikh kybernhsh qa aposyrei toys stratiwtes, poy eixe steilei ekei edw kai dyo xronia peripoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den yparxei tetoia skech. Opws gnwrizete, einai mia apofash poy elhfqh katopin entolhs twn Hnwmenwn Eqnwn, sto plaisio ths dieqnoys dynamhs poy brisketai sto Afgansitan. Exei apostalei sth xwra ayth enas loxos Mhxanikoy toy stratoy poy apoteleitai synolika apo 128 atoma, ajiwmatikoys, ypajiwmatikoys kai oplites pentaetoys qhteias. Me ayth thn eykairia qa hqela na sas pw -giati exei idiaitero endiaferon to qema, eidika meta ta xqesina gegonota- oti to ergo ths en logw monadas einai h sthrijh apo pleyras Mhxanikoy ths stratiwtikhs dynamhs poy brisketai sthn perioxh ths Kampoyl kai twn perixwrwn ths. Apostolh ths sygkekrimenhs monadas einai gia paradeigma h ektelesh xwmatoyrgikwn ergasiwn, h dianoijh kai epidiorqwsh dromwn, alla kai h paroxh ergoy anqrwpistikoy kai koinwfeloys xarakthra, opws h episkeyh sxoleiwn, nosokomeiwn kai dhmosiwn ktiriwn. Parallhla, anagnwrizetai oti sto plaisio ths idias entolhs, briskontai sthn perioxh ths Kampoyl apo tis 15 Aygoystoy toy 2005, 45 atoma apo th xwra mas, proerxomena apo tis noshleytikes yphresies twn Enoplwn Dynamewn poy stelexwnoyn to 291 kinhto xeiroyrgeio kai nosokomeio ekstrateias. Telos, apo thn 1/12/05 kai gia tesseris synolika mhnes, 44 ajiwmatikoi kai ypajiwmatikoi ths Polemikhs Aeroporias analambanoyn thn ek peritrophs dioikhsh toy aerodromioy ths Kampoyl.

Sxetika me to xqesino symban, prohlqan orismenes paranohseis, piqanotata apo to gegonos oti eixame dyo symbanta. To symban me toys Germanoys kai bebaiws me toys Ellhnes. An sas endiaferei, mporw na sas paraqesw perissotera stoixeia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pantws, oi Talimpan stratiwtes blepoyn kai pyroboloyn. Den toys endiaferei ean einai toy mhxanikoy h toy stratoy jhras. Stratiwtes blepoyn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas epanalambanw oti sto plaisio toy Organismoy Hnwmenwn Eqnwn exoyme analabei kapoies desmeyseis, tis opoies kai throyme.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh aisqanetai yperhfanh poy aima Ellhnwn stratiwtwn xyqhke xqes gia prwth fora sthn Kampoyl; Kai ti qa ginei sth synexeia an erqoyn kai ta prwta feretra apo to Afganistan, metexontas sthn pragmatikothta se ena strato katoxhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Symmetexoyn se mia stratiwtikh dynamh, katopin entolhs toy OHE, o opoios bohqa thn anasygkrothsh ayths ths xwras. Se o,ti afora to prwto skelos ths erwthsh sas, qa moy epitrecete na pw oti den qa aisqanotan kaneis -to yperhfanos den nomizw oti tairiazei sth sygkekrimenh aitiash poy anaferate- bolika se kamia periptwsh ston opoiondhpote traymatismo. Wstoso, h xwra mas sto plaisio toy OHE exei dieqneis ypoxrewseis kai aytes ofeilei na tis timhsei.

SIDERHS: Moy aresei poy epaireste, giati apo to 4,5% poy htan h anaptyjh, to katebasate sto 3,6%. Deyteron, einai dedomeno oti an mhdenisete tis dhmosies dapanes kai tis ayjhseis qa mhdenisete kai to elleimma, oytws h allws. Afoy, omws, yparxei h sigoyria poy apopneei o logos sas oti elegxetai to pragma, giati o k. Alogoskoyfhs exei gracei kai janagracei dyo-treis fores ton Proypologismo; Epeidh h epanalhch einai mhthr maqhsews;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Antilambanomai oti o dhmosiografikos logos mporei kapoies fores na einai kai xalaros kai na dhmioyrgei entypwseis. Se kamia periptwsh den qa to krinw. Ekeino poy qelw na sas pw einai to ejhs: Anaferqhka se ekeines tis fwnes poy elegan oti h kybernhsh den qa epityxei tipota apo ta osa exei petyxei mexri twra. Qelw na shmeiwsw oti h anaptyjh sth xwra ta teleytaia xronia, se ena poly megalo pososto eixe na kanei me ta para poly megala kai akriba erga twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn. Otan loipon oloklhrwqhkan oi Olympiakoi Agwnes kai den yphrxan olympiaka erga, ``oloi'' kindynologoysan -polloi apo thn antipoliteysh- oti qa pesei h anaptyjh sto mhden. Anti na symbei ayto, einai stis 2,5 monades panw se sxesh me thn ypoloiph eyrwzwnh. Xwris olympiaka erga brisketai sto 3,6. Antilambaneste oti ayto einai mia poly shmantikh epityxia mias sygkekrimenhs oikonomikhs politikhs. Epishs, einai poly shmantikh epityxia mias politikhs metarryqmisewn na meiwnetai kata 2,2 monades to elleimma mono apo aytes tis metarryqmiseis kai oxi apo proswrina h plasmatika metra, opws ginotan sto parelqon.

SIDERHS: Antilambaneste bebaia kai eseis oti to elleimma to trofodothsan ayta ta megala olympiaka erga, ta opoia twra den yparxoyn kai ara qa eprepe na exei meiwqei akomh perissotero. Sas eipe o k. Alogoskoyfhs pws ayta ta olympiaka erga poy twra den yparxoyn, eixan symballei sthn yparjh toy elleimmatos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H diafora einai oti to elleimma paramenei ws ariqmhtiko megeqos, enw h anaptyjh den paramenei esaei ws megeqos. Ofeilei kaneis na lambanei metra gia na synexizetai kai na ayjanetai h kalh anaptyjh. To elleimma yparxei.

SIDERHS: Desmeyetai h kybernhsh oti de qa parei kanena forologiko metro;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw hdh apanthsei sthn ektenh anafora poy ekana sthn prwth erwthsh poy moy teqhke.

SIDERHS: Kai einai desmeysh;

BLAXOS: Epeidh egw toylaxiston qelw na thn exw sto arxeio th frash sas@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ola dhmosieyontai sto Internet, opote mporeite@

BLAXOS: Qa yparjoyn nea forologika metra, meta thn ejelijh sto qema ths titlopoihshs; Dhladh, qa klhqei o aplos Ellhnas poliths na plhrwsei to paplwma ayths ths ejelijhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw to apospasma poy sas diabasa prohgoymenws: H peraiterw proodos poy ginetai to 2006 me ton Proypologismo poy qa kataqesoyme sth Boylh stis 21 Noembrioy, qa epiteyxqei kyriws me metra monimoy xarakthra poy qa epikentrwqoyn sth sygkrathsh twn dhmosiwn dapanwn, thn antimetwpish ths spatalhs kai ths forodiafyghs, xwris prosqeta forologika metra.

XIWTHS: Sthn apanthsh sas k. Ypoyrge den mas ejhghsate akomh kai genikws h kybernhsh den exei ejhghsei, gia poio logo aposyrqhke ayth h titlopoihsh gia to 2005. Htan mia diadikasia, mia meqodos poy symperilambanotan ston Proypologismo, katateqhke to prosxedio ths sth Boylh, syzhthqhke me ta kommata kai jafnika erxetai twra h kybernhsh kai to aposyrei. Gia poio logo to aposyrei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti apanthsa kai shmera se ayto, alla ean den to akoysate, na to epanalabw. Eipa, loipon, oti yparxei mia texnikh epejergasia, diapragmateyseis poy ginontai kai oloklhrwnontai sto telos toy etoys. O Proypologismos prepei na katateqei stis 21 Noembrioy. Den qa perimename to telos toy etoys. Perimenoyme kai kanoyme thn kataqesh toy Proypologismoy stis 21 Noembrioy, opws problepetai, xwris thn titlopoihsh. Anti, loipon, na perimenoyme mexri to telos, emeis leme oti den perilambanoyme ston Proypologismo toy epomenoy etoys thn titlopoihsh kai ayth qa perilhfqei otan oloklhrwqoyn oi texnikes diadikasies.

XIWTHS: Ayto lew. Poios htan o logos gia ton opoio ejaggeilate mia diadikasia, ena metro, mia meqodo, thn opoia xqes aposyrate; Poios htan o logos poy thn aposyrate; O logos einai oti oi diaboyleyseis sas me thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph deixnoyn oti ayto to metro den pernaei; O logos einai oti den kriqhke apotelesmatiko; Poios einai o logos gia ton opoio ejaggeilate mia meqodo thn opoia shmera aposyrate kai dinete thn entypwsh, moy epitrepete na pw, oti prokeitai peri lanqasmenhs strathgikhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw, loipon, oti ``lanqasmenh strathgikh'' -gia na parw aformh apo thn teleytaia anafora sas- den deixnei mia kybernhsh, h opoia katafere mesa se poly mikro xroniko diasthma na meiwsei toso poly to elleimma, me metra ta opoia blepete na lambanoyn kai alles megales xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs.

XIWTHS: Sygnwmh poy sas diakoptw. Anaferomai mono sth sygkekrimenh@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelete na me diakoptete h qelete na lambanete apanthsh;

XIWTHS: Ma, otan diastrefete ayto poy lew, gi` ayto sas diakoptw. Sygnwmh poy sas diakoptw, alla otan mia kybernhsh ejaggellei ena metro kai sth synexeia to aposyrei, ayto einai toylaxiston ypanaxwrhsh. An den einai esfalmenh strathgikh kai ep` aytoy sas erwtw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw, loipon, oti metra poy elabe ayth h kybernhsh kai apodwsan einai metra ta opoia blepete na lambanontai apo alles eyrwpaikes kybernhseis, me prwth meta thn Ellada, thn Portogalia, meta tis ekloges stis opoies epikrathse to Sosialistiko Komma kai me deyterh -molis prin apo liges hmeres anakoinwqhke kai shmera yparxei ston Typo- th Germania, h opoia proxwra gia paradeigma sthn ayjhsh toy Foroy Prostiqemenhs Ajias. Oti, dhladh, ekane h xwra mas prin apo ena xrono gia na mporesei na antimetwpisei to megalo problhma toy elleimmatos, einai metro to opoio kai alles xwres akoloyqoyn. Ayto ws politikh energeia, deixnei thn orqothta ths kinhshs poy ekane h Ellada.

Se o,ti afora to prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas, sas apanthsa prohgoymenws, anaferontas toys logoys gia toys opoioys egine ayto poy egine xqes sthn anakoinwsh toy k. Alogoskoyfh.

TSIODRAS: Se sxesh pali me thn titlopoihsh. Den katalabainw ena pragma kai exei na kanei me to ejhs: Den jerame oti qa trabhjei mexri to telos toy xronoy h istoria ths titlopoihshs me th EUROSTAT; Gia poio logo, loipon, speysame na poyme oti ston Proypologismo toy 2005 ypologizoyme kai titlopoihsh kai twra leme oti ``oxi'' den thn ypologizoyme, giati mexri to telos toy 2005 den qa exei lhjei h diadikasia me th EUROSTAT. @H loipon jeroyme apo thn arxh oti lhgei h diadikasia stis 31 Dekembrioy, opote den to ypologizoyme kai pame meta h shmainei oti den to jerame h ypanaxwrhse h EUROSTAT h kati egine. Alla, den mas ejhgeite to ti egine.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw hdh apanthsei. Qa moy epitrecete, omws, na prosqesw ena akomh sxolio: Einai shmantiko to na mporei kaneis na meiwnei to elleimma kata 2,2 me megales metarryqmistikes tomes, dioti ayto diarkei se baqos xronoy. Einai deytereyon -opws eipa prohgoymenws- na to meiwnei me mikroteres tomes, opws apo thn prwth stigmh paradexqhkame oti einai h titlopoihsh. Epitrecte moy na pw oti einai shmantiko na blepei kaneis ta shmantika. Den ypotimw thn erwthsh sas, den ypotimw to endiaferon sas gia thn titlopoihsh, wstoso sas epanalambanw: Ayth h kybernhsh parelabe ena elleimma ths tajews toy 6,6%, otan h prohgoymenh eceydeto dhmosiws sthn Ellada kai sthn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph, legontas oti to elleimma einai poly xamhlotero, mas anakoinwnan gyrw sth 1 monada. Kai apo 1 monada ftasame sto 6,6%. Kai ftanoyme na asxoloymaste perissotero me thn titlopoihsh kai oxi me thn oysia ths meiwshs toy elleimmatos poy ginetai me megales metarryqmistikes prajeis. Den adikw kanenan, alla qa moy epitrecete na pw na mhn adikeite kai eseis toys eaytoys sas. Antilambanomai to erwthma sas kai qewrw oti exw apanthsei.

TSIODRAS: Den adikoyme toys eaytoys mas, giati epimename kai se aythn edw thn aiqoysa oti yparxei problhma me thn titlopoihsh kai oti ayto poy anagnwrizei h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph einai metra monimoy diarqrwtikoy xarakthra. Eseis epimenate gia thn titlopoihsh, ektos twn allwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Giati qewreite oti dikaiwqhkate, loipon, otan prwton@

TSIODRAS: Oxi, den qewrw kaqoloy oti dikaiwqhka kai an to qelete den einai ayto to zhthma gia mena, na dikaiwqw h oxi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan, lew to qema den exei teleiwsei. Kai deyteron otan o armodios Epitropos exei kanei dhmosia dhlwsh gia to zhthma, topoqetoymenos qetika se ayto.

TSIODRAS: Oxi. Parapempei sth EUROSTAT o k. Almoynia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ara, loipon, den katalabainw ayth thn emmonh. Phrate apanthsh gia thn titlopoihsh.

TSIODRAS: Den phra apanthsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sto telos Dekembrioy qa exoyn oloklhrwqei oles oi texnikes epejergasies poy ginontai metajy ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs kai ths EUROSTAT. Exete ypomonh na perimenete enamish mhna; Eipa kai pro hmerwn oti edw qa eimaste.

TSIODRAS: Sygnwmh. Den exw parei apanthsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei.

PEPONHS: Anaferqhkate prohgoymenws se ena ryqmo anaptyjhs 3,6% me aisqhma ikanopoihshs. Exete probei se poiotikh analysh toy ryqmoy aytoy anaptyjhs, dhladh ti prosmetrhse kai qa ftasei aytos o ryqmos sto 3,6%; Giati apo polles pleyres diatypwnetai h apoch oti yparxei kai o yperogkos daneismos poy den einai apo toys kaloys deiktes poy symballoyn sthn anaptyjh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa mporoysame na proxwrhsoyme se oikonomikh analysh, alla qa sas elega oti h anafora moy se ayta ta zhthmata htan poly sygkekrimenh. Kai htan sygkekrimenh, wste na apanthsw, ena xrono meta, se osoys kindynologoysan legontas oti h anaptyjh qa pesei sto mhden, h anergia qa ekragei kai to elleimma bebaiws den qa meiwqei k.o.k. Kai shmera exoyme: Ptwsh ths anergias kata peripoy mia posostiaia monada, anaptyjh sto 3,6, paroti den yparxoyn pleon olympiaka erga kai bebaiws meiwsh toy elleimmatos kata 2,2 monades, me monon tis metarryqmistikes allages poy exei kanei ayth h kybernhsh se ena xrono.

BLAXOS: Exete thn eygenh kalosynh na moy janadiabasete to apospasma me to opoio prohgoymenws moy apanthsate sto erwthma an qa mpoyn neoi foroi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia trith fora, oxi. Para thn eygeneia kai thn kalosynh poy me diakatexei, qa moy epitrecete gia trith fora na mhn diabasw to idio apospasma. Sas exw hdh apanthsei.

BLAXOS: Wraia. Egw loipon exw shmeiwsei oti eipate pws qa epiteyxqei kyriws me metra monimoy xarakthra. To ``kyriws'' afhnei paraqyraki na mpoyn neoi foroi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei eparkws.

BLAXOS: Oxi, parakalw ejhgeiste moy. Ayto to ``kyriws''@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Amesws meta ti sas eipa;

BLAXOS: Oti ``xwris prosqeta forologika metra''.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Malista. Ara, exw apanthsei.

BLAXOS: To ``kyriws'' omws prohgeitai. Dhladh, ean kriqei oti den apodidoyn ta metra monimoy xarakthra, tote katargeitai kai to ypoloipo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa sas adikhsw proswpika, qa kanw mia genikh anafora. Peripoy deka fores exw akoysei kai exw diabasei oti qa ginei anasxhmatismos ths kybernhshs. Egine;

BLAXOS: Mhn jefeygete apo to qema.

GKOYTZANHS: Den qa ginei k. Ekproswpe;

POYLIDOY: Otan qa ginei, omws;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Otan ginei, sas exw pei oti qa peite pws ``wdinen oros kai eteken myn''. To exoyme janapei ayto. Parakalw na to qymaste gi` ayto kai to epanalambanw shmera.

GKOYTZANHS: Den qa ginei anasxhmatismos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw milhsei sygkekrimena. Parakalw, diabaste thn anakoinwsh kai kanete ta sxolia sas.

BLAXOS: Pantws, eite ginei anasxhmatismos, eite oxi, den qa to plhrwsei o aplos poliths. To ``kyriws'' omws ean den bgei, dhladh ean den apodwsoyn ta metra monimoy xarakthros, tote qa klhqei o Ellhnas poliths na plhrwsei to ``kyriws''. Einai teleiws diaforetika, poiotika, to ena qema apo to allo. Gi` ayto loipon qelw na jerw, ean to ``kyriws'' afhnei anoikto estw kai ena mikro paraqyraki na mpoyn diafora forologika metra kai qelw apanthsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei eparkws. Qa moy epitrecete mia mikrh anafora sto ``ean den apodwsoyn ta metra monimoy xarakthros'' poy eipate. Mia kybernhsh, se ligotero apo ena xrono, katafere me ayta ta metra na meiwsei to elleimma kata 2,2 monades. Ara, loipon, otan exeis kataferei na dwseis hdh deigma grafhs kai malista shmantiko, ayto gia ton opoiondhpote kalopisto krith, polith, anqrwpo eyriskomeno apenanti sthn kybernhsh, einai mia sobarh prospaqeia poy qa exei aisio telos.

SPYRAKH: H prwth moy erwthsh afora sthn epilogh toy k. Giannopoyloy na epiballei ayto to poso twn 10 eyrw gia to pistopoihtiko ths ygeias se periptwsh poy to zhtoysan metanastes apo ta nosokomeia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to gnwrizw. Dystyxws, enhmerwqhka arga, erxomenos edw. Ean qelete, apeyqynqeite sto armodio ypoyrgeio na sas dwsei mia apanthsh.

SIDERHS: Mporeite na moy apanthsete kai eseis, giati einai kai politikh erwthsh. Pera apo ta 10 eyrw, ta 5 apo ayta qa ta moirazontai to iatriko kai noshleytiko proswpiko.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa mpw sthn oysia toy qematos apo th stigmh poy den exw na sas dwsw kapoia apanthsh shmera.

SIDERHS: Einai h palia protash toy k. Giannopoyloy poy epanhlqe gia na nomimopoihsei to ``fakelaki''. Ayto einai to problhma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Orqws rwtate, opws orqws kanete kaqe erwthsh. Doyleia sas einai, th sebomai, alla den exw na sas dwsw kapoia apanthsh shmera. Qa enhmerwqw apo to armodio ypoyrgeio h to armodio ypoyrgeio qa ekdwsei kapoia anakoinwsh.

SPYRAKH: Mporeite na mas apanthsete ean apotelei politikh epilogh ths kybernhshs na epibarynontai oi metanastes estw kata ayto to symboliko poso, thn wra poy ayto mporei na einai peripoy to hmisy ths hmerhsias apozhmiwshs toys apo tis doyleies poy kanoyn; Dhladh, exei na kanei kai me thn koinwnikh eyaisqhsia ths kybernhshs ayto poy sas rwtw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa moy epitrecete na pw oti h koinwnikh eyaisqhsia ths kybernhshs fanhke se ena poly megalo baqmo apo to nomo gia th metanasteysh, o opoios einai apo toys pleon proodeytikoys nomoys poy perasan apo ayto ton topo. Pisteyw de oti ayto anagnwrizetai apo oles tis enwseis twn metanastwn kai apo politikoys antipaloys mas.

SPYRAKH: Den eipa gia to nomo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ara, h eyaisqhsia se o,ti afora to sygkekrimeno qema, exei hdh diafanei.

SPYRAKH: To deytero poy qelw na sas rwthsw einai oti me olh ayth thn ypoqesh ths titlopoihshs, alla kai me osa prohghqhkan se zhthmata poy aforoyn stoys mhxanismoys ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, dhmioyrgeitai h aisqhsh oti h kybernhsh apofasizei xwris na exei prohghqei mia katagrafh toy klimatos, an qelete, stis yphresies, mia synennohsh, an qelete@ To paradeigma, dhladh ths titlopoihshs einai ayto. As poyme, oloi jerame oti h apofash gia titlopoihsh qa lhfqei apo th EUROSTAT sto telos toy xronoy, oloi jerame oti o proypologismos katatiqetai poly pio nwris. Mporeite na mas peite giati yparxei ayto to elleimma kai malista apo o,ti fainetai einai ena elleimma diarkeias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa apanthsw sto erwthma sas sto telos toy xronoy.

GKOYTZANHS: Ean den apatwmai einai o tritos proypologismos poy katatiqetai. Ta alla dyo prosxedia aporrifqhkan; H erwthsh moy einai giati ftiaxnei kai janaftiaxnei to prosxedio o k. Alogoskoyfhs gia na perna h wra; Kai deyteron, efoson o proypologismos mporoyse na katartistei xwris na symperilambanei thn titlopoihsh tote arxikws giati symperielhfqh; Mhpws o k. Alogoskoyfhs me kaqysterhsh anakalyptei th ``dhmioyrgikh'' logistikh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oson afora to deytero erwthma sas, den qa pw kati. Gia to trito, th ``dhmioyrgikh logistikh'', mallon exete kanei laqos ``sth dieyqynsh''. Se allo komma eprepe na apeyqynqeite. Exei apodeixqei peritrana oti proxwrhse se dhmioyrgikh logistikh. Oson afora to prwto, sas qymizw, ws pros th diadikasia, oti katatiqetai prosxedio proypologismoy, opws problepei o Kanonismos ths Boylhs. Kai sth synexeia exoyme kataqesh toy proypologismoy aytoy kaq` eaytoy.

GKOYTZANHS: Qelw na qesw se sas to erwthma. H titlopoihsh giati eixe symperilhfqei arxika ws enas tropos gia na meiwqei to elleimma. Efoson mporoyse na meiwqei me allon tropo kai xwris na yparxoyn prosqeta forologika metra, giati den to ekane apo thn arxh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, mono, giati milame kai gia eisprajh diafygontwn esodwn apo to ellhniko dhmosio.

GKOYTZANHS: Ola ayta ta dedomena yphrxan. Den exei allajei kati ws pros ayto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H titlopoihsh gia thn opoia exei ginei poly syzhthsh kai thn exoyn maqei oi pantes, afora eisprajeis esodwn apo to parelqon. Ayto poy qa ofeile kapoios -den apeyqynomai se kanenan dhmosiografo- na prosacei sthn prohgoymenh kybernhsh einai giati den frontise na eisprajei xreh toy parelqontos pros to dhmosio. Ayto poy proxwra na kanei shmera ayth h kybernhsh, emfanizetai, kata kapoion tropo, ws mpoymerangk gia thn politikh ths. H titlopoihsh exei dyo stoxoys: O deytereywn poy ton anefera prin kai o prwteywn poy ton anefera twra.

GKOYTZANHS: Pantws h aporia menei. Dhladh, ti kanoyme, den exoyme kati na perna h wra kai ftiaxnoyme proypologismoys bazontas kai bgazontas thn titlopoihsh kai ta esoda;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw oti, me bash ton Kanonismo ths Boylhs, katatiqetai sxedio toy proypologismoy kai sth synexeia oloklhros o proypologismos.

MOYRTHS: Poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs se mia protash poy exei diatypwqei, prokeimenoy na chfizoyn oi metanastes stis dhmotikes kai nomarxiakes ekloges;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh den exei syzhthsei to qema. Se o,ti afora th metanasteysh to nomosxedio, sto opoio anaferqhka prin, to opoio einai pleon nomos toy kratoys, exei kanei probleceis gia mia seira zhthmatwn. Den einai sth skech mas na allajoyme kati twra se ayto to nomo, oyte na proxwrhsoyme, ayth th stigmh, se kati perissotero.

KAKALHS: Me dedomeno oti o k. Alogoskoyfhs eixe dhlwsei oti h titlopoihsh exei ginei me oloys toys kanones ths Eurostat kai qa htan ekplhjh prwtoy megeqoys na mhn egkriqei apo thn Komision. Me dedomeno, epishs, oti exete labei kai proforikes estw diabebaiwseis -opws eipate- oti h Komision qa apodexqei sto telos thn titlopoihsh, giati den epimenete na symperilabete thn titlopoihsh ston proypologismo, afoy einai sxedon sigoyro oti qa egkriqei tote;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas exw apanthsei.

KORAH: Oson afora thn titlopoihsh, giati eiste toso aisiodojos oti jafnika to poso ayto to opoio anaferotan sthn titlopoihsh toy 1,6 dis, an qymamai kala, qa kalyfqei apo tis eisprajeis poy qa ginoyn apo toys diafygontes foroys. Qymizw oti to 1o ejamhno yphrje mia ysterhsh, gyrw sta 2 dis, kai twra exoyn ayjhqei kapws oi ryqmoi, alla paramenoyn xamhloi kai me tipota den fqanoyn to 11,3% poy eixate balei ston persino proypologismo. Mhpws den mporeite na eiste poly kathgorhmatikos oti den qa anagkasteite na parete alla metra;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei.

KORAH: O Prwqypoyrgos sth DEQ eixe pei oti kanenas apo toys ergazomenoys ths O.A. den qa meinei sto dromo. Shmera mporeite na mas bebaiwsete oti kai 8.500 -anaferomai kai stoys symbasioyxoys, poy einai o adynamos krikos sthn olh istoria- oti epishs den qa meinoyn sto dromo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exei allajei, kata keraia, o,ti exei pei o Prwqypoyrgos h o,ti exw pei egw gia ta zhthmata poy me rwthsate molis twra, se oles tis syzhthseis poy kaname sto press room, otan jekinhse to qema to Septembrio.

KORAH: Giati den mas to qymizete kai shmera poy lynetai to qema@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas parapempw se kati grapto. Scripta manent. Xrhsimopoihqhke nwritera apo synadelfoys sas. Xrhsimopoiw ki egw, kata kairoys, ta grapta. Kata synepeia mporeite na anadifhsete sto internet kai na deite tis dhlwseis moy.

KORAH: Me bash to teleytaio plano, to shmerino@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei o,ti sas exw pei.

XIWTHS: Nwritera mas diabasate kapoies dhlwseis toy Proedroy toy ASEP, apo tis opoies ayto poy katalabainw, dhmosieyontai shmera ston Typo, einai oti o Proedros toy ASEP symfwnei me thn proforikh synenteyjh. Tonizei, omws, kathgorhmatika oti h ypodomh einai tetoia poy den mporei na efarmostei amesws. Einai ena metro poy mporei na efarmostei, alla endexomenws apo to 2006. To erwthma moy einai: h kybernhsh meleta thn piqanothta anastolhs aytoy toy metroy ews otoy yparjei h anagkaia ypodomh gia na efarmostei swsta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To 2006 einai ayrio. Sas qymizw oti eimaste sta mesa Noembrioy.

XIWTHS: Ean einai sto telos toy 2006, den einai ayrio.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai deyteron, ayto poy hqela na deijw me kathgorhmatiko tropo, einai oti h synenteyjh mphke sto nomo katopin ths symfwnhs gnwmhs kai toy ASEP. Einai ergaleio, to opoio xrhsimopoiei to ASEP, kata to dokoyn, opoy krinei, opote krinei, opws krinei me opoies erwthseis, me opoion tropo. Ayto to anaferw gia mia akomh fora, ws kybernhtikos ekproswpos kai xqes to eipe kai o Proedros toy ASEP.

XIWTHS: Ton Proedro toy ASEP h ton akoyte se oles tis parathrhseis toy h den ton akoyte. O Proedros toy ASEP leei oti den exei men antirrhsh me th meqodo ths proforikhs synenteyjhs, exei, omws, antirrhsh ean efarmostei proxeira, apospasmatika kai espeysmena.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas qymizw oti mexri protinos h kritikh thn opoia askoysan orismena MME htan@

XIWTHS: Den sas rwtw giati to lene@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ean qelete na erqete na parete th qesh moy parakalw mporeite na to peite kai dhmosiws. Rwtate kai sas afhnw na rwtate. Qa me afhnete na apantw. Exete kapoia antirrhsh sth diadikasia; Etsi ginetai ana ton kosmo.

XIWTHS: Exw mia mikrh. H mikrh moy antirrhsh einai na apantate se ayto poy sas rwtw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na kanoyme dialogo pws qelete na ginetai h politikh enhmerwsh. Gia peite moy;

XIWTHS: H mikrh moy antirrhsh kai me sygxwreite ean yperbainw ta oria ths askhshs toy epaggelmatos moy, einai oti otan diatypwnoyme thn erwthsh sas parakaloyme na mas apantate epi ths erwthsews. Sas rwthsa ti skopeyei na kanei h kybernhsh kai moy apantate, ti grafoyn ta MME. Den me endiaferei ayto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den me afhsate na teleiwsw. Mporeite na epanalabete thn erwthsh sas.

XIWTHS: H erwthsh moy einai aplh: Ean h kybernhsh skopeyei na yioqethsei oles tis parathrhseis toy Proedroy toy ASEP kai na anasteilei gia ligo, den jerw gia poso, thn efarmogh ths proforikhs synenteyjhs, etsi wste na einai h ypodomh gia mia tetoia diadikasia etoimh kai na ginei oloklhrwmena.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H apanthsh ``krybetai'' se ayta poy sas eipa prin. Einai emfanes sto nomo oti to ASEP apofasizei.

BLAXOS: Kata thn kybernhsh yparxoyn kykloi sto xwro ths ekklhsias kai ths ierarxias oi opoioi epidiwkoyn na paijoyn politiko paixnidi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to gnwrizw.

BLAXOS: Sas fobizei ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na me fobizei kati poy den gnwrizw;

BLAXOS: Sas fobizei oti kapoioi epixeiroyn na paijoyn politiko paixnidi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa mpoyme se oroys cyxologias gia to agnwsto kai toy ti mellei genesqai; Den me fobizei kati tetoio.

BLAXOS: Oi dhlwseis toy Ambrosioy, den einai politiko paixnidi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa xqes gia tis dhlwseis toy Mhtropolith Ambrosioy.

BLAXOS: Gia toys xarakthrismoys. Apodokimasate toys xarakthrismoys. H energeia toy, omws, na bgei enas mhtropoliths kai na sxoliasei ti eipe kalws h kakws enas prwhn Prwqypoyrgos, den einai politiko paixnidi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O logos toy kaqe polith, apo arxaiotatwn xronwn, einai logos politikos, opoy ki an ekferetai.

SARANTAKOS: Eipate prin oti se o,ti afora thn O.A. osa exei dhlwsei o Prwqypoyrgos ki eseis kata kairoys isxyoyn sto akeraio. Kata synepeia, isxyei kai to ``ekkaqarish en leitoyrgia'' poy mas eixate proanaggeilei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Rwthqhka sygkekrimena apo synadelfo sas, poy to diatypwse wraia kai me kalliepeia. Eipa gia to qema twn ergazomenwn kai twn symbasioyxwn.

SARANTAKOS: Ara, mono gia to qema twn ergazomenwn isxyoyn osa exete pei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Na sas qymisw, giati profanws den to qymaste kala.

SARANTAKOS: Synolika;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, gi ayto poy me rwtate.

SARANTAKOS: Gia ``ekkaqarish en leitoyrgia'', bebaiws. Einai h prwth dhlwsh poy kanate kai einai ena piqano senario. Meta yphrjan kapoies alles apoceis sthn kybernhsh kai ayto phge pio pisw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qymaste to prwto meros kala, ofeilw na to omologhsw, gia na sas apodwsw ta eyshma.

SARANTAKOS: Eyxaristw poly.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eixa pei apo thn prwth stigmh, gia na dieykolynw to ergo sas, poia einai ta piqana senaria. Sth synexeia, egine arketh syzhthsh kai paremeina sthn idia logikh, legontas oti ayta einai ta piqana senaria.

SARANTAKOS: Ta opoia ejakoloyqoyn kai shmera;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Bebaiws kai ejakoloyqoyn na isxyoyn.

SARANTAKOS: Kai to ``ekkaqarish en leitoyrgia'' dhladh, einai ena piqano senario kai shmera.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi stoxoi, opws qa analyqoyn apoce apo ton k. Liaph, einai sygkekrimenoi. Ayrio qa kanoyme, fantazomai, mia poly megalh syzhthsh gia to qema ths O.A.

SARANTAKOS: Ayto poy sas rwtw einai aplo. Den qelw na moy to ejeidikeysete.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai aplo, alla poly shmantiko kai eyaisqhto qema. Egw den qa metexw sto na paijw me thn agwnia kanenos. Oyte, bebaiws, sto na proxwrhsw se grhgores h proxeires dhlwseis, otan den exei oloklhrwqei h synedriash ths Diypoyrgikhs Epitrophs kai den exei milhsei o armodios ypoyrgos. Parakalesa na perimenoyme. Apoce ston armodio ypoyrgo- alla kai ayrio edw sthn kaqhmerinh politikh enhmerwsh- qa ginoyn oi aparaithtes erwthseis.

SARANTAKOS: Den sas zhthsa th lysh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Parakalw na perimenoyme.

SARANTAKOS: Den zhthsa na mas peite edw th lysh. Aplws to piqano senario paramenei ayto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mporeite na moy qesete ayrio thn erwthsh.

GKOYTZANHS: Oi prwtes dhlwseis gia thn O.A. eixan ginei tote, arxes Septembrioy, sth DEQ, ektote exoyn perasei dyo mhnes, na ypoqesoyme oti tote htan anetoimh h kybernhsh, enw sto endiameso diasthma etoimasthke gia na kataqesei to sxedio gia thn O.A.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na ypoqesw oti den gnwrizete thn ypoqesh, asxoloymenos me alla pragmata;

GKOYTZANHS: Thn gnwrizw poly kala kai perimenw aytes tis ryqmiseis gia thn O.A. apo persi amesws meta thn Olympiada.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Twra pate akoma pio pisw. Qa ypoqesw me bebaiothta, gia na mhn sas qijw, oti den gnwrizete thn ypoqesh h oti den qymaste. Qa ofeilate na qymaste oti jekinhse mia diadikasia apo ton jeno oiko LAZAR, poy einai symboylos ths kybernhshs gia to zhthma ths apokratikopoihshs. Eixame pei oti otan oloklhrwqoyn oi epafes toy oikoy LAZAR, tote qa synedriasei h Diypoyrgikh Epitroph, h opoia qa ektimhsei ta apotelesmata twn epafwn kai qa kanei tis deoyses anakoinwseis. Opws akribws eixame anakoinwsei, etsi akribws ginetai. Oloklhrwqhkan oi epafes toy oikoy LAZAR me diaforoys endiaferomenoys, shmera synedriazei h Diypoyrgikh Epitroph kai amesws meta qa ginoyn dhlwseis apo ton armodio ypoyrgo. Ti exei allajei, loipon;

GKOYTZANHS: Tote giati oi dhlwseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth DEQ kai ths Diypoyrgikhs poy eixan ginei liges hmeres meta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas qymizw oti o Prwqypoyrgos eqese to plaisio gia ena poly megalo qema. Eipe me ton pio safh tropo oti h kybernhsh einai apofasismenh na mhn synexisei tis diadikasies toy parelqontos, oi opoies odhghsan ekei poy odhghsan thn O.A. Ebale mia afethria poy odhghse sthn prwth ths stash poy einai shmera. Shmera meta th Diypoyrgikh, qa ginoyn anakoinwseis kai qa analyqei to sxedio, apo edw kai sto ejhs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Proeklogika h N.D. eixe prwtostathsei stis agrotikes kinhtopoihseis kai eixe diabebaiwsei tote toys agrotes oti, o,ti kai na symbei @otan qa ginei kybernhsh- qa kaqarisei aytes tis ypoqeseis. Polloi katadikasthkan kai twra toys bgazoyn ta spitia h ta xwrafia se pleisthriasmoys me kati prostima poy toys exoyn epibalei ta dikasthria. Ti qa kanei me ayto to qema h kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Einai genikh kai aoristh h erwthsh sas. Ean thn kanete sygkekrimenh @

STAMATOPOYLOS: Einai sygkekrimenh. Bghkan oi agrotes kai lene oti mas zhtane 600 eyrw gia ta dikastika ejoda, gia ta opoia toys eixan diabebaiwsei tote boyleytes kai nyn ypoyrgoi malista oti den prokeitai na ginei tipota kai twra toys bgazoyn@

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den jerw ean eimai o monos sthn aiqoysa poy den katalabe to qema, foboymai oti den to exei katalabei kanenas. Ean me rwthsete poly sygkekrimena, na rwthsw to armodio ypoyrgeio kai na sas apanthsei to armodio ypoyrgeio. Den katalabainw thn erwthsh sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Tote eixan syllhfqei agrotes kai eixan parapemfqei gia parakwlysh sygkoinwniwn se aytes tis kinhtopoihseis. Eixan tis diabebaiwseis apo toys tote boyleytes kai politeytes kai nyn ypoyrgoys oti mhn sas apasxolei tipota, emeis qa ginoyme kybernhsh kai qa ta kaqarisoyme ola ayta. Shmera, omws, pane kai toys bgazoyn ta xwrafia se pleisthriasmo.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ennoeite oti yphrxe kapoia dikastikh diergasia;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kai yphrxan boyleytes oi opoioi diabebaiwsan oti qa paremboyn sth dikaiosynh; Moy akoygetai parajeno.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Afoy prwtostatoysan tote. Anebainan kai sta trakter. Na poyme onomata;

PEPONHS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei deijei deigmata grafhs oti prowqei neoys sthn politikh, sthn kybernhsh kai genika ston kybernhtiko mhxanismo, opws eiste eseis kai arketoi alloi. H hlikia twn 78 etwn poy mporoysame na thn orioqethsoyme; Kai ayto to rwtw twra giati shmera eida dhmosieymata oti enas 78xronos einai to neo shmeio tribhs ths DEH. Qelei na ton diorisei o k. Palaiokrasas opwsdhpote sto dioikhtiko symboylio. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa mpw sthn oysia toy erwthmatos giati den gnwrizw ti akribws exei ginei. Ean exei dioristei kapoio neo melos, ayto fantazomai oti ennoeite,sto D.S. ths DEH. Alla, wstoso, se epoxes opoy ta kinhmata enantion toy ratsismoy einai shmantika, mhn bazete ton hlikiako ratsismo sthn politikh atzenta.

IWANNOY:Kyrie ekproswpe xqes o k. Kokkinoylhs, milwntas se topiko kanali, emmesws plhn safestata qa elega ,zhthse thn apomakrynsh toy k.Mpasiakoy. Eipe sygkekrimena oti gia ena bitsio toy Ypoyrgoy, giati epemene sto na mhn yparxoyn eqnikes epidothseis, persi plhrwsame perissotera gia to bambaki kai malista otan toy egine sto telos h erwthsh, ean ek toy ponhroy qelei na paijei kapoio eswkommatiko paixnidi en ocei anasxhmatismoy, eipe fantazomai oti den eimai paragontas anasxhmatismoy. Qa hqela na moy peite ean yioqeteitai tis apoceis toy k. Kokkinoylh, ean einai qema proswpoy h politikhs telika.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Moy zhtate na sxoliasw;

IWANNOY: Nai, na sxoliasete. Otan zhtaei enas ``galazios'' agrotosyndikalisths thn apomakrynsh toy k. Mpasiakoy, nomizw einai ena qema.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kaqenas krinetai apo ayta poy leei.

MOYRTHS: Ejetazei mhpws h kybernhsh to endexomeno na dwsei sto ASEP armodiothta twn proslhcewn stis DEKO;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den yparxei kati tetoio sth syzhthsh mas.

PEPONHS: Epeidh apo thn apanthsh sas kindyneyw na parejhghqw ws ratsisths, hqela na pw oti den exw tetoioy eidoys diaqesh kai proqesh, aplws mpainei apo pleyra kapoiwn kybernhtikwn paragontwn poy proteinoyn allon kai anadeiknyetai ayto to stoixeio, oti ti qa kanei enas 78xronos enanti enos 50xronoy o opoios exei kai nees antilhceis kai nees idees kai mporei na doylecei perissotero.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa katagrafei h apoch sas, paroti den gnwrizw ean proerxetai ontws apo thn pleyra kybernhtikwn paragontwn, opws anaferete. Alla, thn ypoloiph apoch thn akoysame oloi me anakoyfish nomizw.

IWANNOY: H kybernhsh eixe aporricei na dhmioyrghsei qesh syntonisth. Xqes, akoysthke mia nea protash apo ton k. Arh Sphliwtopoylo, kati san proswparxh, chief of staff, dhladh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exoyme ``Leyko Oiko'' sthn Ellada. Den qa sxoliasw dhlwsh gia tetoia zhthmata.

Sas eyxaristw.

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