Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-01-28

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Aqhna, 28 Ianoyarioy 2005

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

TSIODRAS: Se sxesh me tis agrotikes kinhtopoihseis: H kybernhsh an qa dwsei apanthseis - lyseis se kapoia apo ta aithmata twn agrotwn, an qa steilei ta MAT h thn Astynomia na anoijei toys dromoys. Ti qa kanei telos pantwn;

ANTWNAROS: Kante moy erwthsh na sas apanthsw.

TSIODRAS: Th deyterh tote.

ANTWNAROS: Poia ennoeite;

BLAXOS: Ta MAT.

ANTWNAROS: Pantws, an eseis proteinete na jefoyskwsoyme ta lastixa twn trakter, emeis den qa to kanoyme.

TSIODRAS: Egw den ekana protash. Profanws exete enallaktikes lyseis gia na mh jefoyskwsete@

SIDERHS: Htan ejypnh h lysh ekeinh.

TSIODRAS: H erwthsh nomizw oti einai safhs: An h kybernhsh protiqetai me kapoio tropo na anoijei to dromo. Dhladh, eite me thn Astynomia, eite -den qa sas ypodeijw egw toys tropoys- skepteste na kanete kati;

ANTWNAROS: Eimaste antiqetoi se energeies poy strefontai kata toy koinwnikoy synoloy.

BLAXOS: Ara, kai enantion toy kleisimatos twn dromwn, me sygxwreite ayto ennoeite. Kai pws qa anoijete toys dromoys; Ayto rwtame.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. Den exw na prosqesw tipote allo.

BLAXOS: Kai pws qa anoijete toys dromoys;

ANTWNAROS: Elpizw aytoi oi oligoi, oi opoioi katafeygoyn se tetoies meqodoys na antilhfqoyn oti talaipwroyn to ypoloipo koinwniko synolo.

TSIODRAS: Kai an den to antilhfqoyn qa kanete kati; Ayto einai to erwthma.

ANTWNAROS: Den apantw se ypoqetikes erwthseis.

RABANOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, oi boyleytes sas, meta ta prwta mploka poy eidame shmera, einai eleyqeroi na pane sta mploka;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei o,ti akribws exw pei.

RABANOS: Anagnwrizei h kybernhsh oti htan laqos toso kairo na synomilei me agrotosyndikalistes poy proskeintai sto xwro ths Neas Dhmokratias;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh synomilei me oloys toys ekproswpoys toy agrotikoy kosmoy. Kai o dialogos aytos synexizetai kai qa synexistei.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, akoysa ton proedro twn agrotikwn synetairismwn Larisas, ton k. Kokkinoylh, na leei oti qa proteinei sth shmerinh synanthsh anastolh twn agrotikwn kinhtopoihsewn. Gnwrizete an allaje kati;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto afora sto agrotiko syndikalistiko kinhma. Moy metaferete mia plhroforia, thn opoia den exw ypoch moy. As perimenoyme na doyme pws qa ejelixqoyn ta pragmata. H kybernhsh ta parakoloyqei kai syzhtei me toys ekproswpoys toy agrotikoy kosmoy.

KAKALHS: Pws ejhgeite to gegonos oti apo th mia h kybernhsh den dinei sth dhmosiothta tis listes twn dhmosiografwn kai einai eyaisqhth apenanti sta proswpika dedomena kai apo thn allh dinei sth dhmosiothta tis listes twn agrotwn, oi opoioi ypotiqetai oti exoyn paranomhsei;

ANTWNAROS: Sygkrinete dyo anomoia pragmata. To ena einai h lista paratypiwn poy exoyn bebaiwqei. Prokeitai gia sygkekrimenes paratypies kai aforoyn ston agrotiko kosmo. Oi katastaseis dhmosiografwn anaferontai se anqrwpoys, oi opoioi kata tekmhrion kai mexris apodeijews toy enantioy, kanoyn th doyleia toys. Exoyn dioristei kapoy, ergazontai kapoy. Gia tis katastaseis twn dhmosiografwn, opws gnwrizete problepetai mia diadikasia. Allwste, to qema -meta th xqesinh syzhthsh poy dihrkese treishmisi wres, thn opoia emeis, alla kai polloi alloi thn krinoyme epoikodomhtikh- einai safes, opws safhs einai kai h qesh ths kybernhshs. O k. Roysopoylos eipe oti h kybernhsh den protiqetai na dhmosiopoihsei tis listes. An tis paroyn oi Enwseis, qa einai ekeines se qesh na krinoyn an plhroyntai ta krithria poy problepontai sta katastatika toys kai toys kwdikes deontologias.

KAKALHS: Anejarthta apo ta typika h dhmosieysh twn listwn pashs fysews exei stoxo kyriws th diapompeysh kai to diasyrmo kata kyrio logo. Ayto to kanete gia toys agrotes, alla kata ti me diaforetikh stash gia toys dhmosiografoys.

ANTWNAROS: Den exoyme kanena logo na diapompeysoyme to dhmosiografiko kosmo.

KAKALHS: Toys agrotes poio logo exete;

ANTWNAROS: Den diapompeysame oyte toys agrotes. Diapistwnontai paratypies. Opws qa gnwrizete allwste, h dhmosieysh aytwn twn katastasewn ginetai gia na gnwrizoyn oi anqrwpoi poy exoyn ypopesei se paraptwmata, ti prepei na allajoyn, giati, endexomenws, qa toys afaireqei ena meros twn xrhmatwn poy eixan diekdikhsei paratypws.

KAKALHS: Alla, oi agrotes den paradexontai oti exoyn paratyphsei, exoyn paranomhsei h oti einai ektos kanonismwn;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Ayth h diadikasia poy egine, den prepei na einai antikeimeno amfisbhthshs apo kanenan. Eginan elegxoi kai ginontai epanelegxoi poly leptomereiakoi.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti h kybernhsh synomilei me oloys toys syndikalistes toy agrotikoy kinhmatos. Dhladh, o Prwqypoyrgos prokeitai na synanthqei me toys syndikalistes toy agrotikoy kinhmatos;

ANTWNAROS: Eipa xqes kai epanalambanw kai shmera: Epifortismenos me to xeirismo twn agrotikwn qematwn einai o Ypoyrgos Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs k. Eyaggelos Mpasiakos.

BLAXOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, einai dynaton na perimenei h kybernhsh kai ena oloklhro ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs na ginei mia thleoptikh ekpomph gia na maqei oti yparxoyn epiorkoi dikastes; Yparxoyn kyklwmata sto ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs ta opoia kalyptan mexri twra aytoys toys dikastes; Giati, opws gnwrizete kai ws prwhn dhmosiografos, aytes oi fhmes kykloforoysan.

ANTWNAROS: H Dikaiosynh den kineitai basei fhmwn. Prepei na yparxoyn stoixeia. Kai apo opoydhpote yparxoyn ta stoixeia kai erxontai sto fws, einai kalodexoymena. H koinwnia, oi arxes, oloi mas xreiazontai enaysmata. Kai opoy yparxoyn ta enaysmata, yparxoyn eyaisqhtopoihseis kai basei aytwn kinoyntai oi diadikasies. Shmasia exei pantote to apotelesma.

XIDIROGLOY: Epeidh se polloys tomeis ths koinwnikhs, politikhs mas zwhs kai sto Dhmosio parathroyntai fainomena diafqoras kai shchs, ta opoia den einai shmerina. Alla, epeidh ginontai synexeia apokalyceis, kat` ejakoloyqhsh, protiqetai h kybernhsh na dhmioyrghsei ena eidiko plaisio gia thn katapolemhsh ths diafqoras;

ANTWNAROS: Den mporei na genikeyoyme etsi ta pragmata. H kybernhsh, opws gnwrizete, exei katasthsei to qema ths diafaneias kai ths katapolemhshs stoixeiwn, ta opoia rixnoyn skies panw sto dhmosio bio, mia apo tis basikes ths proteraiothtes. Se ayto to plaisio analambanontai prwtoboylies, oi opoies kai synexizontai. Allwste, gia to sygkekrimeno qema, sto opoio egine prohgoymenws anafora, pro oligoy, anaferqhke o ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs k. Anastashs Papalhgoyras.

BLAXOS: Oxi, den ekane. Eipe oti qa kanei anakoinwseis th Deytera.

ANTWNAROS: Qa kanei anakoinwseis.

BLAXOS: Me sygxwreite, synantietai me ton Prwqypoyrgo thn Paraskeyh kai qa perimenei o ellhnikos laos th Deytera na maqei ti apofaseis@

ANTWNAROS: Tis anakoinwseis tis kanei kat` ektimhsh toy o ypoyrgos.

BLAXOS: Opote qelei.

ANTWNAROS: Kat` ektimhsh toy.

BLAXOS: Dhladh, den pisteyei h politikh hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs oti yparxei amesh anagkh. Me kaqysterhsh parenebh sto qema. Perimene mia ebdomada, enw htan prwto qema se ola ta Deltia. Me kaqysterhsh qa mas anakoinwsei ta metra poy apofasise me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Me sygxwreite, tote ti Dikaiosynh einai ayth;

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei kamia kaqysterhsh stis energeies toy k. Papalhgoyra.

POYLIDOY: Profanws enaysma yphrxe sthn ypoqesh twn kyklwmatwn twn dikastikwn. Aplws sth mia periptwsh o dhmosiografos basei toy enaysmatos ekane mia ereyna kai katelhje se kapoia apotelesmata, enw h dikaiosynh ekane oti den katalabainei kai den edwse shmasia sta enaysmata.

ANTWNAROS: Oi Arxes diejagoyn ereynes twn opoiwn ta apotelesmata qa anakoinwqoyn, otan oloklhrwqoyn.

POYLIDOY: Meta tis dhmosiografikes kataggelies omws. Den egine aytoboylws. Ekei einai to qema.

ANTWNAROS: H Dikaiosynh kai oi Arxes oi opoies einai epifortismenes me th diereynhsh twn qematwn, probainoyn stis energeies ekeines poy apaitoyntai.

SPYRAKH: Poia einai h epishmh plhroforhsh poy exei h kybernhsh sxetika me ta aitia ths pyrkagias sth gefyra Rioy @ Antirrioy; Qewrei oti h eyqynh barynei thn kataskeyastria etaireia h yparxei qema opoiasdhpote yponoias gia doliofqora;

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei ayth th stigmh kati pros anakoinwsh, poy afora sta aitia toy sygkekrimenoy symbantos. Ereynwntai ta aitia. Aytos einai allwste kai o logos poy exei diakopei h dieleysh apo th gefyra. H diabebaiwsh poy exoyme einai oti den yparxei -kai to tonizw- kanenas kindynos gia th gefyra.

BLAXOS: Dhladh afhnete anoixto to endexomeno toy sampotaz.

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa ayto. Eipa oti ayth th stigmh den mporw na sas anakoinwsw tipota oson afora sta aitia.

BLAXOS: Ara, elegxetai kai to endexomeno sampotaz.

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei tipota pros anakoinwsh oson afora sta aitia.

BLAXOS: Katalabainw to oti den exete anakoinwsei tipota shmera. Omws mesa sthn ereyna einai kai to endexomeno toy sampotaz.

ANTWNAROS: Katalhgete se ayqaireta symperasmata.

MOYRTHS: Poios kanei tis ereynes, h kataskeyastria etaireia h to ellhniko dhmosio;

ANTWNAROS: Thn eyqynh toy ergoy exei h kataskeyastria etaireia.

PAPAGIANHS: Twn ereynwn;

ANTWNAROS: Thn eyqynh toy ergoy kai ths leitoyrgias toy exei h kataskeyastria etaireia.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Yparxei h plhroforia oti erxontai apo to ejwteriko oi eidikoi poy thn exoyn kataskeyasei.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw, gia ta sygkekrimena qemata na apeyqynqeite sto armodio Ypoyrgeio.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw an h gefyra eixe metra pyrasfaleias.

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas parakalesw na apeyqynqeite stoys armodioys.

SIDERHS: H Boreios Ellada erhmwnei. Oi biomhxanies feygoyn. Hdh sthn Janqh qa meinoyn anergoi 500 anqrwpoi, epeidh metanasteyei biomhxania kapnoy sth Boylgaria. Skeptetai h kybernhsh na parei kapoia eidika metra gia th Boreia Ellada, pera apo tis epidothseis anergias. Syn tw xronw olo kai perissoteres biomhxanies kleinoyn kai metaferontai se geitonikes xwres poy to kostos einai poly pio mikro.

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, poly prosfata, h Boylh chfise kainoyrgio kai sygxrono anaptyjiako nomo o opoios proseggizei to qema me poly anoixto myalo, me nees idees kai me enan tropo poy eimaste bebaioi oti qa dwsei th dynatothta se epixeirhmaties poy qeloyn na ependysoyn se diafora merh ths Elladas, na proxwrhsoyn sthn topoqethsh twn xrhmatwn toys. H topoqethsh xrhmatwn se tetoies ependyseis qa ejasfalisei bebaiws kai qeseis ergasias, etsi wste oi anqrwpoi aytwn twn perioxwn ths Elladas -akomh kai twn apomakrysmenwn poy anaferate- na broyn neoys tropoys apasxolhshs.

KYRITSHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw giati to Ypoyrgeio Amynas metakinei strato apo ta anatolika synora sta boreia.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw kamia plhroforhsh sxetika me to qema.

KYRITSHS: Yparxoyn dyo omilies toy Ypoyrgoy Amynas thn prohgoymenh ebdomada kai apofash toy SAB.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na apeyqynqeite ston Ypoyrgo Amynas k. Sphliwtopoylo.

KYRITSHS: Einai qema amyntikoy dogmatos.

ANTWNAROS: Apeyqynqeite ston k. Sphliwtopoylo.

KYRITSHS: Qema toy en logw kyrioy einai to qema toy amyntikoy dogmatos;

ANTWNAROS: Na apeyqynqeite ston Ypoyrgo Amynas, k. Sphliwtopoylo.

BLAXOS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei pei oti eixe ypogracei me ton k. Erntogan ena prwtokollo meiwshs twn ejoplismwn. Maqainoyme loipon oti oxi mono den meiwnei toys ejoplismoys h Toyrkia alla eksygxronizei ta aeroskafh kai agorazei kai kapoia alla elikoptera gia prostasia toy Aigaioy. Telika ti isxyei;

ANTWNAROS: Anaferate oti o Prwqypoyrgos eipe pws exei ypogracei prwtokollo. Prwton, den nomizw oti o Prwqypoyrgos eipe pote pws exei ypogracei prwtokollo. Deyteron, anafereste se dhmosiografikes plhrofories tis opoies, ws Ekproswpos ths kybernhshs -opws eipa kai proxqes edw- den eimai se qesh ayth th stigmh na sas epibebaiwsw. Synepws den prokeitai na apanthsw se ypoqetika erwthmata.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Yphrxe mia symfwnia metajy toy k. Sphliwtopoyloy kai toy Toyrkoy omologoy toy poy eixan breqei sthn Rwsia, gia ton periorismo twn oplwn;

ANTWNAROS: Anafereste se isxyrismoys poy den antapokrinontai sthn pragmatikothta.

POYLIDOY: Exoyme mia ekkremothta, an exete enhmerwqei gia to Ntabos.

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws. H kybernhsh ekrine oti den qa ekproswphqei fetos sto Ntabos.

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: Giati;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apantw: H kybernhsh ekrine oti den qa ekproswphqei fetos sto Ntabos.

BLAXOS: Logos yparxei;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

BLAXOS: Epeidh eimai blakas kai den katalabainw to logo, mporeite na mas peite to logo poy elabe ayth thn apofash h kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw tipote allo sto qema.

BLAXOS: @Ara, poia einai h apanthsh;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

BLAXOS: Ma, den mas eipate to logo.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti den exw na prosqesw tipote allo.

BLAXOS: @Ara, kala katalaba.

PAPAGIANNHS: Gnwrizete to periexomeno ths erwthshs poy kateqesan xqes pente boyleytes toy PASOK gia enan ek twn dieyqyntwn toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynhs;

ANTWNAROS: H erwthsh, sthn opoia anafereste, qa apanthqei me th synhqh diadikasia.

PAPAGIANNHS: Oi kataggelies einai kai baries kai aforoyn ton Dieyqynth toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynhs gia kataxrhsh dhmosioy xrhmatos poy exei sxesh me proswpika kinhtra.

ANTWNAROS: H apanthsh qa doqei me th synhqh diadikasia.

KAKALHS: H Eyrwpaikh Epitroph me th xqesinh ths ekqesh proteinei thn ayjhsh twn oriwn hlikias syntajiodothshs. H kybernhsh kai o Prwqypoyrgos proswpika exoyn taxqei kathgorhmatika, kata ths ayjhshs twn oriwn hlikias kai twn eisforwn. H kybernhsh ti qa kanei s` ayth thn periptwsh, qa peiqarxhsei h qa paei kontra sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn osa exoyn pei o Prwqypoyrgos kai oi armodioi Ypoyrgoi. Polles fores, organa ths Commission diatypwnoyn diafores protaseis. Den einai pantote desmeytika ayta poy leei h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph gia tis kybernhseis twn 25 kratwn - melwn.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Shmera yparxei mia synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Proedro toy Dhmokratikoy Synagermoy k. Anastasiadh, an den apatwmai. Profanws, qa mpei sto trapezi to qema toy Kypriakoy, alla o k. Anastasiadhs programmatizei ena tajidi sthn Agkyra, to prwto dekahmero toy Febroyarioy. Qa yparxei kapoia synennohsh me thn ellhnikh kybernhsh, gia to ti qa pei ekei ston k. Erntogan h stoys ypoloipoys ajiwmatoyxoys poy qa synanthsei;

ANTWNAROS: Ej oswn gnwrizw, to komma toy k. Anastasiadh, o Dhmokratikos Synagermos, exei prosklhqei sthn Toyrkia. Qa hqela na sas parakalesw na perimenete th syzhthsh poy qa exei o Prwqypoyrgos me ton k. Anastasiadh.

GKOYTZANHS: Qa hqela na janagyrisw ligo sthn arxh, sto agrotiko, giati eipate oti o dialogos synexizetai.

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws.

GKOYTZANHS: Me dedomeno oti o k. Kokkinoylhs, poy einai Proedros ths Enwshs Agrotikwn Synetairismwn Larisas, leei oti den milaei me ton Ypoyrgo, me poioys kanei dialogo o Ypoyrgos;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apantw oti o dialogos synexizetai. Kai opws eipa kai tis prohgoymenes hmeres, s` aythn edw thn aiqoysa, o dialogos se mia sygxronh koinwnia synexizetai me para polloys tropoys. Yparxoyn sygxrona mesa epikoinwnias.

GKOYTZANHS: O k. Mpasiakos den eixe dexqei ton anaplhrwth tomearxh ths Neas Dhmokratias, den xreiazetai na poyme ta onomata, an den eixan adeia apo ton k. Meimarakh gia na milhsoyn mazi toy. Epishs, se mia protash twn agrotwn poy eixe katateqei thn prohgoymenh ebdomada, apanthse me Deltio Typoy. Etsi antilambanetai to dialogo h kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh diejagei dialogo kai sas parakalw -epeidh bebaiws den mporw na elegjw toys isxyrismoys toys opoioys ekfrazete se ayth thn aiqoysa- gia ta sygkekrimena qemata na apeyqynqeite ston k. Mpasiako. O dialogos synexizetai, o dialogos einai zwntanos. Mporw na sas diabebaiwsw gi` ayto.

GKOYTZANHS: Einai ikanopoihmenh h kybernhsh apo thn poreia toy dialogoy kai apo to apotelesma poy exei ferei mexri twra;

ANTWNAROS: O dialogos synexizetai kanonika.

TSIODRAS: Dwsate xqes mia apanthsh sxetika me ton k. Soyflia kai ton k. Fwlia. Eipate, loipon, oti to Ypoyrgeio PEXWDE einai prwto se ayjhsh ths aporrofhtikothtas. O k. Fwlias epimenei sta stoixeia poy edwse proxqes. Ti isxyei telika;

ANTWNAROS: Moy apodidete ekfraseis poy den exw pei. Ta stoixeia poy edwsa xqes ejakoloyqoyn kai isxyoyn sto akeraio. H apanthsh poy sas edwsa xqes isxyei, akribws opws sas thn edwsa. Sas eipa oti to YPEXWDE exei to megalytero pososto aporrofhtikothtas. Aplws, kata thn anagnwsh twn stoixeiwn yphrje mia diaforopoihsh ws pros ta stoixeia poy elabe ypoch toy o k. Fwlias kai sta stoixeia poy elabe ypoch toy o k. Janqopoylos, ws Yfypoyrgos PEXWDE.

TSIODRAS: Dhladh prokeitai gia parejhghsh.

ANTWNAROS: Xqes, eipa ``paranohsh''. An protimate th lejh ``parejhghsh'', na xrhsimopoihsw ayth th lejh. Einai lejeis sxedon taytoshmes.

Eyxaristw poly.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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