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Aqhna, 25 Oktwbrioy 2004

JENOY TYPOY APO TON ANAPLHRWTH KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos, ayrio to prwi, qa parastei sth dojologia sto Nao toy Agioy Dhmhtrioy, sth Qessalonikh.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, shmera se synenteyjh toy o Proedros ths Kyproy k. Tassos Papadopoylos afhnei anoikto to an qa balei veto h Kypros sthn eyrwpaikh prooptikh ths Toyrkias, stis 17 Dekembrioy. H ellhnikh kybernhsh leei oti sthrizei thn eyrwpaikh prooptikh ths Toyrkias xwris epifylajeis. Mporeite na mas peite poy ofeiletai ayth h apoklish stis grammes twn dyo xwrwn;

ANTWNAROS: H yposthrijh ths eyrwpaikhs prooptikhs ths Toyrkias einai strathgikh epilogh ths Elladas. H qesh mas ayth exei sth xwra mas yperkommatikh apodoxh. Den blepw mexri stigmhs na yparxei kapoia metabolh se ayth thn pragmatikothta.

XIWTHS: H stash ths Toyrkias tis teleytaies hmeres me tis epaneilhmmenes proklhseis sto Aigaio den problhmatizei kaqoloy thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh, opws gnwrizete, proebh dia toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn se oles tis deoyses energeies. Einai profanes oti, an apaithqei, qa probei kai se alles.

XIWTHS: Ayto poy lete den apanta sto erwthma moy, etsi toylaxiston nomizw. Oi plhrofories poy yparxoyn apo xqes to brady einai oti h kybernhsh endexomenws na epanejetasei th stash ths an aytes oi proklhseis synexistoyn h entaqoyn. Einai etsi; H kybernhsh meleta to endexomeno na epanejetasei th stash ths ws to Dekembrh;

ANTWNAROS: H apanthsh sthn prwth erwthsh poy moy egine einai h qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Symplhrwmatika mporw na rwthsw; Mhpws h kybernhsh katalhgei oti biasthke na dhlwsei tis proqeseis ths se o,ti afora ton eyrwpaiko prosanatolismo ths Toyrkias dedomenwn aytwn twn kinhsewn;

ANTWNAROS: H qesh ths xwras sto sygkekrimeno qema exei yperkommatikh apodoxh.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Me thn prwth dhlwsh sas moy dinete thn wqhsh na rwthsw to ejhs: H Ellada exei dwsei leykh epitagh sthn Toyrkia gia to qema ths entajiakhs ths poreias;

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, h oristikh apofash gia thn enarjh entajiakwn diapragmateysewn ths Enwmenhs Eyrwphs me thn Toyrkia qa lhfqei apo ta 25 krath-melh, symperilambanomenhs ths Elladas, stis 17 Dekembrioy.

IWANNOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, tonisate oti exei yperkommatiko xarakthra h strathgikh ths Elladas sto sygkekrimeno qema. An yparjoyn, loipon, kapoies antirrhseis h kapoies alles fwnes apo alla kommata ayto shmainei oti qa tis akoysei h kybernhsh kai endexomenws se ayth thn periptwsh na allajei th stash ths;

ANTWNAROS: Den qa apanthsw se ypoqetikh erwthsh.

TSIODRAS: Qelw na rwthsw eyqews to ejhs: H qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs na mhn ypobalei veto, dhladh na yposthrijei thn eyrwpaikh poreia ths Toyrkias, paramenei anejarthtws toy ti qa mesolabhsei mexri tis 17 Dekembrioy;

ANTWNAROS: Apanthsa ep` aytoy. Den prokeitai na ejeidikeysw.

GKOYTZANHS: Otan lete gia yperkommatikh apodoxh exete kapoia synennohsh me ta alla kommata kai to lete h ypoqetete;

ANTWNAROS: Yparxoyn oi qeseis twn kommatwn, oi opoies exoyn katagrafei.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Dhladh, an allajei h kybernhsh qesh qa rwthsei ta kommata;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ektima h kybernhsh oti einai h idia katastash poy epikratei twra apo ayth poy epikratoyse ta teleytaia xronia, exei allajei kati gia sas, gia thn politikh sas;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei h apanthsh poy edwsa sto prwto erwthma.

POYLIDOY: To ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn epi Papandreoy eixe kaqierwsei thn praktikh na stelnoyn gia tis parabiaseis toy enaerioy xwroy ypomnhmata sthn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph, wste na symperilambanontai stis ekqeseis ajiologhshs ths. To ellhniko ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn epi Molybiath den exei akoloyqhsei ayth thn praktikh mexri protinos. Gnwrizete an thn akoloyqei twra kai an den to gnwrizete mporeite na to plhroforhqeite;

ANTWNAROS: Ginontai oles oi endeiknyomenes energeies pros tis kateyqynseis poy krinoyme oti prepei na ginoyn.

POYLIDOY: Sas rwtaw gia mia sygkekrimenh praktikh. Ginetai h den ginetai;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

BITALHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh einai synexomena ta fainomena kai gyrw apo thn perioxh twn Imiwn kai ston enaerio xwro. Sas lew oti prin apo ligo, erxomenos edw, akoysa oti exoyme nea dieleysh toyrkikhs aktaiwroy, entos ellhnikwn ydatwn, dipla sta Imia kai exoyme ek neoy parabiaseis. H erwthsh moy einai poly sygkekrimenh: Thn prohgoymenh ebdomada kaname ena proforiko diabhma gi` ayta ta qemata. To erwthma moy einai twra to ejhs: Qa yparjei grapth aitiologhsh twn ellhnikwn qesewn poy qa anairei tis toyrkikes ajiwseis kai ston enaerio xwro kai gyrw apo ta Imia; Kai giati mexri stigmhs exoyme meinei mono ston proforiko diabhma;

ANTWNAROS: Opws sas eipe kai thn perasmenh ebdomada o k. Koymoytsakos, ayto poy metraei einai to diabhma ayto kaq` ayto. Diorqwnontas sas, epishmainw oti eginan dyo diabhmata toso sthn Aqhna, oso kai sthn Agkyra. Symfwna me ta osa exei anaferei o k. Molybiaths emeis dexqhkame me ikanopoihsh thn eishghsh ths Epitrophs gia enarjh entajiakwn diapragmateysewn me thn Toyrkia. Shmeiwsame taytoxrona omws oti h Epitroph anaferetai se mia seira bhmatwn poy prepei na kanei h Toyrkia kata th diarkeia twn diapragmateysewn. Ta bhmata ayta poy katagrafei h epitroph sthn ekqesh ths aforoyn afenos sthn eswterikh katastash ths Toyrkias kai afeteroy sthn ejwterikh ths politikh kai idiaitera sth sxesh ths me toys geitones ths, symperilambanomenhs ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias poy einai plhres melos ths E.E.. Elpizoyme oti h Toyrkia qa pragmatopoihsei ola ayta ta bhmata, antapokrinomenh se ola ta krithria kai tis ypoxrewseis ths. Ean to epityxei, tote qa dikaioytai na ginei plhres melos ths E.E..

BITALHS: Akoysa me prosoxh tis apanthseis poy dwsate se ola ta prohgoymena erwthmata kai qelw na sas rwthsw eyqews: Diaceydete, k. Ekproswpe, ta shmerina dhmosieymata, se mia seira apo egkrites efhmerides, oti yparxei sobarh piqanothta allaghs stashs ths Elladas sth Synodo Koryfhs, ean den symmorfwqei h Toyrkia se orismena pragmata;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn oles oi dhlwseis poy exoyme kanei.

BITALHS: Dhladh, diaceydete ta dhmosieymata;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn oi dhlwseis poy exoyme kanei.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Synanthqhke o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn me ton k. Miler. Syzhthsan ayto to qema kai ean den syzhthsan ayto poio einai to periexomeno ths synanthshs toys;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw gnwsh ayths ths synanthshs, sthn opoia anafereste. Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, dyo pragmata qelw na sas rwthsw. Kat` arxas, yparxei apo thn toyrkikh kybernhsh @apedwse to qorybo poy dhmioyrghqhke thn perasmenh ebdomada se dhmosieymata toy ellhnikoy Typoy kai oxi se pragmatiko gegonos. Dhladh, ftaime emeis oi Ellhnes dhmosiografoi en oligois.

ANTWNAROS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh parakoloyqei poly stena kai katagrafei ta pragmatika gegonota.

GKOYTZANHS: Poy apodidei h ellhnikh kybernhsh ayth thn proklhtikothta kai tis parabiaseis ths toyrkikhs pleyras; Exei na kanei mhpws me diastash metajy stratiwtikwn kai politikwn;

ANTWNAROS: Mas endiaferoyn oi symperifores tis opoies kai katagrafoyme.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o k. Erntogan se synenteyjh toy leei metajy twn allwn oti me kalh qelhsh qa mporei h Ellada kai h Toyrkia na broyn lyseis sta problhmata toy Aigaioy. Erwtw: Mexri shmera h koinh politikh ths Elladas sta qemata me thn Toyrkia htan to monadiko qema h yfalokrhpida toy Aigaioy kai ayth mesw toy Dieqnoys Dikasthrioy ths Xaghs. Allaje ayth h politikh ths Elladas;

ANTWNAROS: Yparxei ena kai monadiko qema, ayto poy anaferate. Tipota peran aytoy.

MPOILE: Ti apantate sthn anakoinwsh toy toyrkikoy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, oti oi parabiaseis den einai parabiaseis alla synhqeis askhseis poy kanei h toyrkikh polemikh aeroporia;

ANTWNAROS: Einai gnwsth h qesh mas.

LEONTITSH: Epeidh mas eipate prin oti h ellhnikh pleyra katagrafei me endiaferon tis symperifores, sto idio qema sas diabazw apo thn anakoinwsh toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn oti h ektelesh apostolwn roytinas apo toyrkikes aktaiwroys ginetai entos twn xwrikwn mas ydatwn kai den apoteloyn ektakth katastash. Kai rwtw, ta 300 metra apo ta Imia einai xwrika ydata ths Toyrkias;

ANTWNAROS: H qesh ths Elladas einai gnwsth. Den apodexomaste ayta ta opoia anaferei h anakoinwsh toy toyrkikoy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Mexri twra toylaxiston, jerame oti bash ths ellhnotoyrkikhs proseggishs htan h symfwnia toy Elsinki toy 1999. Wstoso diatypwnontai enstaseis oti telika mallon akoloyqeitai mia proswpikoy xarakthra diplwmatia metajy twn dyo Prwqypoyrgwn, oytws wste na ejoysiodoteitai en leykw h Toyrkia kai na kanei osa kanei se sxesh me thn Ellada, dhladh na prokalei me diafores energeies. Kai apo thn allh oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh perimenei telika sthn prosexh Synodo Koryfhs na bgalei ``ta kastana apo th fwtia'' h Germania kai h Gallia, oson afora thn entajh ths Toyrkias sthn E.E. Ti apantate se ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Ayta einai dika sas politika symperasmata. H qesh ths kybernhshs einai ayth poy sas periegraca prohgoymenws. Den yparxei kamia tetoia aposyndesh. H ellhnikh pleyra atalanteyta efarmozei thn politikh ths grammh thn opoia exei jekaqarisei apo thn arxh.

KOYIN: Eipate oti eginan dyo diamartyries sthn Aqhna kai sthn Agkyra. Mhpws mporeite na mas dieykrinisete gia poies akribws parabiaseis egine ayto; Giati ektos apo ayta poy eipate eseis kai o k. Sphliwtopoylos thn perasmenh ebdomada den exei bgei kamia epishmh anakoinwsh apo to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas.

ANTWNAROS: Egine sxetikh anakoinwsh sthn enhmerwsh poy ekane o k. Koymoytsakos thn prohgoymenh ebdomada. Milhse gia dyo diabhmata. Gia perissoteres leptomereies parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn.

BLAXOS: O k. Karamanlhs exei problhmatistei gia to an qa eprepe telika na kanei thn peribohth koymparia me ton Erntogan h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Karamanlhs einai synephs sth symperifora toy.

TSIODRAS: Qa hqela na rwthsw an prokeitai na yparjei synanthsh toy k. Karamanlh me ton k. Erntogan sth diarkeia ths synodoy koryfhs ths E.E. stis Bryjelles stis arxes Noembrioy. Epishs qa hqela na sas rwthsw an telika apodeiknyetai oti h aposyndesh twn ellhnotoyrkikwn apo to xronodiagramma gia thn entajiakh poreia ths Toyrkias sthn E.E., opws proeblepe to Elsinki htan laqos.

ANTWNAROS: Sas epanalambanw oti den blepw kamia aposyndesh, opws thn anaferete. Sas eipa prohgoymenws oti ta bhmata poy katagrafei h epitroph sthn ekqesh ths aforoyn sthn eswterikh katastash ths Toyrkias kai sthn ejwterikh politikh ths Toyrkias, idiaitera stis sxeseis ths me toys geitones ths, symperilambanomenhs ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias poy einai plhres melos ths E.E.

TSIODRAS: Diatypwnotan, wstoso, h qesh oti mexri to Dekembrio qa prepei na exoyn ginei bhmata s` ayth thn kateyqynsh. Ayto loipon den exei ginei mexri twra kai emeis den exoyme epimeinei xronika sto na ginei.

ANTWNAROS: H oristikh apofash, meta th synolikh ajiologhsh ths stashs ths Toyrkias, qa lhfqei stis 17 Dekembrioy.

TSIODRAS: Sxetika me to endexomeno synanthshs toy k. Karamanlh me ton k. Erntogan;

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei kati tetoio ayth th stigmh.

BLAXOS: Pisteyete oti yparxoyn sthn Toyrkia eswterika, dynameis oi opoies epidiwkoyn na yparjei entash metajy Ellados kai Toyrkias wste h Ellada na xrewqei thn akyrwsh ths eyrwpaikhs poreias ths Toyrkias;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na sxoliasw thn eswterikh katastash ths Toyrkias.

BLAXOS: Egw rwtw an h Ellhnikh kybernhsh exei sta sxedia ths th logikh ths oti yparxoyn dynameis sto eswteriko ths Toyrkias, oi opoies qeloyn na dhmioyrghsoyn entash me thn Ellada gia na analabei to kostos ths akyrwshs ths eyrwpaikhs poreias ths Toyrkias h ellhnikh pleyra.

ANTWNAROS: Mas endiaferei h synolikh symperifora ths Toyrkias. Basei ayths qa kriqei h Toyrkia apo emas kai toys alloys 24 etairoys ths E.E..

BLAXOS: Mesa se ayth th synolikh symperifora entassetai kai to gegonos oti synexws pleoyn polemika toyrkika ploia poly konta sta Imia;

ANTWNAROS: Eipa oti mas endiaferei h synolikh symperifora ths Toyrkias.

BITALHS: An katalaba kala, sthn prohgoymenh erwthsh den deijate oti aposyndeete thn eyrwpaikh prooptikh ths Toyrkias apo thn ejelijh sta ellhnotoyrkika qemata.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei h dhlwsh poy ekana kai tipota peran aytoy.

BITALHS: Yparxoyn se ejelijh diaboyleyseis metajy twn grammatewn twn politikwn dieyqyntwn twn Ypoyrgeiwn Ejwterikwn, gia olo to paketo poy legetai ellhnotoyrkika, wste an yparxei dynatothta na paei to qema ths yfalokrhpidas me synyposxetiko sth Xagh. Synexizontai aytes oi diaboyleyseis; Mexri poy qa fqasoyn; Blepete na exoyn katalhjh mexri th Synodo Koryfhs toy Dekembrioy;

ANTWNAROS: Oson afora to deytero erwthma sas den qa kanw kamia problech. Oson afora to prwto, den exei stamathsei h diadikasia twn diaboyleysewn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Me aformh tis dhlwseis toy Proedroy ths Kyproy k. Papadopoyloy, sxetika me to beto, dexetai pieseis o k. Papadopoylos prokeimenoy na arei to beto sthn piqanh entajh ths Toyrkias sthn E.E.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na sxoliasw tis dhlwseis toy k. Papadopoyloy o opoios einai Proedros ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias.

KOLIOPOYLOY: Yphrje xqes parabiash twn xwrikwn ydatwn sta Imia apo toyrkikh aktaiwro kai an nai qa kanei neo diabhma h kybernhsh gi` ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Opws sas eipa h kybernhsh parakoloyqei ola ta peristatika sto Aigaio kai otan krinei prosforo probainei stis katallhles energeies kai diabhmata.

BLAXOS: Enhmerwnei kai thn E.E. gi` ayta;

ANTWNAROS: Enhmerwnoyme oles tis endeiknyomenes pleyres.

KAKALHS: Poia symfwnia estw proforikh gia meiwsh twn ejoplismwn exei kanei o Prwqypoyrgos me ton Toyrko omologo toy, otan h Toyrkia proxwra se programma anabaqmishs twn 216 F16 ycoys 4 dis dolariwn, se synergasia me tis HPA;

ANTWNAROS: Milhsame gia syzhthsh. Den xrhsimopoihsame th lejh symfwnia. Yparxoyn prokatarktikes syzhthseis poy einai fysiko na ginontai metajy dyo arxhgwn kybernhsewn.

GKOYTZANHS: Sas epishmainw, kyrie Ekproswpe oti emfanizetai apoklish sth stash Kyproy kai Elladas se sxesh me to beto.

ANTWNAROS: Sas enhmerwnw gia th qesh kai th stash ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs.

POYLIDOY: Mexri twra h stash ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs einai oti parakoloyqeite thn Kypro stis epiloges ths. Ep` aytoy toy qematos exoyme diaforetikes epiloges;

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw oti emeis, se aythn edw thn aiqoysa, ekfrazoyme thn apoch kai th stash ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Epomenws den yparxei koinh grammh pleyshs metajy Ellados kai Kyproy sto qema ths entajhs ths Toyrkias; Ayto eipate twra.

ANTWNAROS: H Ellada yposthrizei thn eyrwpaikh prooptikh ths Toyrkias gia thn opoia qewroyme oti einai strathgikh epilogh ths Elladas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Epomenws jekaqarizete th qesh sas apo ekeinh ths Kyproy.

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw oti den blepw mexri stigmhs na yparxei kapoia metabolh s` ayth thn pragmatikothta.

KAKALHS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh qelei thn apoxwrhsh twn toyrkikwn strateymatwn apo thn Kypro; Giati den qetei to qema sthn E.E.;

ANTWNAROS: Ayta, opws gnwrizete, einai qemata diapragmateysewn.

MPOTSARAKOS: Apo perysi ton Ioylio o Prwqypoyrgos syzhtoyse to qema toy beto sthn enarjh diapragmateysewn ths Toyrkias me thn E.E. me ton k. Papadopoylo; Nai h oxi kai poia htan h qesh poy ejefrase o Prwqypoyrgos;

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, h endexomenh askhsh veto den einai kati poy syzhteitai dhmosiws.

BLAXOS: Ara qewreite epikairo na ginei symboylio politikwn arxhgwn;

ANTWNAROS: Den problepetai kati tetoio. Epanalambanw thn idia apanthsh poy edwsa thn perasmenh Paraskeyh.

BLAXOS: Den einai shmantiko pragma h stash ths Elladas apenanti se mia tetoia ejelijh kai ara den qewrei o k. Karamanlhs oti prepei na synomilhsei me toys alloys politikoys arxhgoys; Giati sto parelqon, otan htan antipoliteysh ekane megalh kritikh sthn kybernhsh toy k. Shmith poy den sygkaloyse.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh parakoloyqei me nhfaliothta ta peristatika sto Aigaio. Ta katagrafei kai kanei oles ekeines tis energeies poy qewrei prosfores.

PALAIOLOGOS: Me aformh synenteyjh toy prwhn Prwqypoyrgoy toy k. Rallh, sthn ``Eleyqerotypia'' to Sabbato: O k. Rallhs yposthrije oti den qa exoyme ofelos apo toys Olympiakoys Agwnes kai oti qa xreiastoyn dyo-treis genies gia na ejoflhqoyn ta xreh. Qa hqela na sxoliasete ayth thn apoch toy k. Rallh kai na mas peite, epishs, se ena deytero erwthma, pote h kybernhsh skopeyei na anakoinwsei epishma to kostos twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na sxoliasw, kat` arxas, tis dhlwseis toy k. Rallh. Sto deytero qema, thn perasmenh ebdomada eginan orismenes anakoinwseis oson afora sth diaqesh twn kinhtwn twn olympiakwn egkatastasewn. Gia to allo qema sto opoio anafereste, prosexws qa ginoyn anakoinwseis.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa mas peite pote h kybernhsh qa parei metra na stamathsei ayth h aisxrokerdeia sta ygra kaysima sta prathria sthn Aqhna, poy teinei na ginei kaqestws ton teleytaio kairo;

ANTWNAROS: H katastash einai antikeimeno synexoys parakoloyqhshs. H Genikh Grammateia Katanalwth pairnei ola ta metra poy xreiazontai. Opws jerete, exei enisxyqei h Epitroph Antagwnismoy kai hdh blepoyme ta apotelesmata.

PALAIOLOGOS: Wstoso, omws, yparxei h pragmatikothta h opoia mallon einai idiaitera tsoyxterh. Dhladh, to ``kapelo'' sta kaysima einai toylaxiston dyo lepta kai h epibarynsh twn katanalwtwn einai ena dedomeno. Apenanti se ayto to dedomeno pws apanta h kybernhsh kai pws antidra;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh, sas eipa, lambanei ola ta metra poy endeiknyntai. Fysika perimenoyme kai apo toys katanalwtes na kanoyn tis sygkriseis timwn, oi opoies xreiazontai, wste na protimoyn ekeina ta prathria poy exoyn tis xamhloteres times, opws ginetai se olo ton kosmo.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epi twn oikonomikwn pali, yphrje h plhroforia oti melh toy Symboylioy Oikonomikwn Empeirognwmonwn eixan ekfrasei diaforetikh topoqethsh kai eishghsh se sxesh me th dhmosionomikh apografh kai thn epektash ths se prohgoymena xronia. Mporeite na mas peite ep` aytoy;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto, opws jerete, exei diaceystei apo ton Proedro toy Symboylioy. Sxetika me th dhmosionomikh apografh qa hqela na tonisw gia mia akomh fora ta ejhs: Prokeitai gia mia systhmatikh paraplanhsh twn politwn oson afora thn pragmatikh katastash ths oikonomias. Qa prepei to PASOK na paradexqei mia kai kalh ayth thn aplh alhqeia. Gia na antimetwpistoyn ta problhmata, ta opoia yparxoyn sthn oikonomia, prepei oles oi diastaseis toys na einai kala gnwstes, wste na proxwrhsoyme stis aparaithtes ryqmiseis. H ereyna gia ta plasmatika stoixeia, oson afora thn katastash ths ellhnikhs oikonomias -peran toy oti ayta ta stoixeia eixan epishmanqei apo poly kairo apo th N.D. otan briskotan sthn antipoliteysh- eixe jekinhsei apo thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph meta th diapistwsh twn Bryjellwn oti proekycan shmantikes diafores metajy diaforwn stoixeiwn poy toys koinopoioysan tote oi ellhnikes Arxes. Symfwna, allwste, me prosfates dhlwseis toy o Epitropos, armodios gia ta oikonomika qemata, k. Almoynia eipe oti h Statistikh yphresia ths Koinothtas eixe, kat` epanalhch, ta teleytaia efta xronia, ekfrasei tis amfibolies ths me yposhmeiwseis stis anakoinwseis ths gia ta dhmosionomika stoixeia ths Ellados. H kybernhsh efarmozei atalanteyta to programma ths, para tis dyskolies poy brhkame kai antimetwpizoyme. Allwste, me thn kataqesh toy forologikoy kai toy anaptyjiakoy nomosxedioy qa exoyme syntoma xeiropiasta apotelesmata.

GKOYTZANHS: Pote qa ta kataqesoyn ayta, k. Ekproswpe;

ANTWNAROS: Me rwtate kaqe ebdomada kai sas apantw: Isxyoyn ta xronodiagrammata poy exoyme anakoinwsei. Tipote den allaje.

GALIATSATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, milhsate gia th diaceysh toy Proedroy toy Symboylioy twn Empeirognwmonwn. Yioqetei h kybernhsh ayth thn apoch oti den yparxoyn diaforetikes gnwmes sta melh toy SOE, apenanti sth dhmosionomikh apografh;

ANTWNAROS: Einai syllogiko organo to opoio ekfrazetai apo ton Proedro toy.

XONDROS: Lete, sthn anakoinwsh poy diabasate prohgoymenws, oti qa prepei na einai ta stoixeia, ta panta gnwsta, wste h kybernhsh na proxwrhsei stis anagkaies kinhseis. Dhladh, ti qa kanei, qa parei prosqeta metra;

ANTWNAROS: Den ennow ayto. Oi kinhseis ths kybernhshs @gi` ayto akribws kai hqele ola ta stoixeia- anaferontai sto sxedio toy Proypologismoy poy katateqhke, kaqws kai sto forologiko nomosxedio kai ston anaptyjiako nomo poy qa katateqoyn. Den mporeis na oloklhrwseis mia oikonomikh politikh, ean den exeis ola ta stoixeia. Kai ta stoixeia ta opoia eixe h kybernhsh, otan anelabe stis 7 Martioy, htan ceytika.

XONDROS: Ayth th stigmh, dhladh, yparxoyn ta plhrh stoixeia, ta plhrh dedomena. Ayto eipate.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa egw ayto to pragma; Me rwthsate thn perasmenh ebdomada kai sas apanthsa ep` aytoy.

XONDROS: Epeidh eipate oti gia na paei to forologiko nomosxedio prepei na einai plhrh ta stoixeia.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Sas eipa oti ta stoixeia ta opoia paradidontai, sygkentrwnontai kai prowqoyntai sthn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph. Sas dieykrinisa, thn perasmenh ebdomada, oti h katastash poy parelabe h shmerinh kybernhsh sth Statistikh Yphresia, htan tetoia poy den ths epetrepe amesws na exei plhrh kai synolika stoixeia.

KOYIN: Sxetizetai h kaqysterhsh ths anakoinwsews toy synolikoy kostoys twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn me problhma eyreshs swstwn stoixeiwn;

ANTWNAROS: As mhn mperdeyoyme to ena qema me to allo.

POYLIDOY: O k. Alogoskoyfhs leei oti mphkame sthn ONE me to spaqi mas. Ara, to erwthma moy einai: Apo poio xroniko shmeio kai meta, h prohgoymenh kybernhsh arxise na leei cemata; Apo to 2000 kai meta;

ANTWNAROS: Sthn ONE mphkame me to spaqi mas. Aplws ``foyntwse'' to pragma, apo to 2000 kai meta, opws fainetai kai sthn teleytaia Ekqesh, thn opoia edwse o k. Almoynia sth dhmosiothta, thn perasmenh ebdomada.

XONDROS: Lete, omws, oti elegan cemata ola ta xronia. Ara, cemata elegan apo to 1997 @ 1999, ayto lete.

ANTWNAROS: Dieykrinizw gia mia akoma fora: Apo to 1997 mexri to 1999 ta stoixeia exoyn ypostei diorqwseis pros ta panw. Alla kai meta tis diorqwseis aytes, ejakoloyqoyn na einai katw apo ekeinoys toys deiktes, oi opoioi apaitoyntan, wste h Ellada na mpei sthn ONE.

MPOTSARAKOS: Me ta nea dedomena ths oikonomias, pote qa fqasoyme ton eyrwpaiko meso oro; Me bash tis proeklogikes desmeyseis ths kybernhshs h allajan ta dedomena; Giati tote den gnwrizate ta pragmatika stoixeia.

ANTWNAROS: Perimenete kai qa deite.

KOLIOPOYLOY: Yparxoyn nees kataggelies ths kas Aggelopoyloy, shmera, gia sykofantikh dysfhmish enantion ths kai toy syzygoy ths kai gia spilwsh toy ergoy ths stoys Olympiakoys Agwnes. Yparxei apanthsh ths Kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw plhroforhqei gia to qema poy moy qetete. Allwste, an prokeitai gia kapoia dikastikh ejelijh, einai kati poy afora th Dikaiosynh kai den prokeitai na to sxoliasoyme.

GKOYTZANHS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh symfwnei me th sthrijh poy parexei to Eyrwpaiko Laiko Komma ston Italo epitropo k. Mpoytilione; Nomizw oti mono to Eyrwpaiko Laiko Komma einai poy ton sthrizei meta apo aytes tis ``kataplhktikes'' dhlwseis poy ekane.

ANTWNAROS: Qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na ginete pio sygkekrimenos: Mas eixate pei oti sto prosexes diasthma qa anakoinwsete to kostos twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn. Ayto to prosexes diasthma einai prin h meta ton Proypologismo;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na mpw se perissoteres leptomereies.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mporeite na mas peite an yparxei kontra metajy toy k. Paylopoyloy kai ths KEDKE gia to qema airetoy Perifereiarxh kai airetwn symboylwn poy proekycan kata to teleytaio synedrio ths KEDKE sthn Krhth;

ANTWNAROS: H qesh ths kybernhshs einai gnwsth kai staqerh. Opws allwste tonizetai sto kybernhtiko programma, oxi mono den yparxei proqesh apodynamwshs twn nomarxiwn, alla antiqeta yparxei sygkekrimeno programma enisxyshs toys. To tonise me ton pio kathgorhmatiko tropo o k. Paylopoylos sthn omilia poy ejefwnhse sthn KEDKE.

XONDROS: Gia tis Perifereies htan h erwthsh, oxi gia to nomarxh.

ANTWNAROS: Oi Perifereies den einai o deyteros baqmos Aytodioikhshs, alla apokentrwmenh monada toy kratoys. Emeis yposthrizoyme thn enisxysh twn nomarxiwn. Ayth einai h qesh ths kybernhshs.

GALIATSATOS: Den katalaba kala thn apanthsh poy moy dwsate prohgoymenws. Sas rwthsa ean yioqetei h kybernhsh thn apoch oti den yphrxan diafwnies anamesa sta melh twn stelexwn toy Symboylioy Empeirognwmonwn, den yphrxan ypomnhmata k.lp., opws thn ejefrase o Proedros k. Sakellarhs. Kai moy eipate oti einai syllogiko organo kai ekfrazetai dia toy Proedroy toy. Ayto shmainei oti h kybernhsh symmerizetai th diaqesh toy k. Sakellarh;

ANTWNAROS: Den exoyn perielqei se gnwsh mas tetoies diafwnies.

KYRITSHS: Meta thn oikologikh katastrofh poy prokalese to ellhnikhs ploiokthsias ploio ``Prestige'', prin apo dyo xronia stis aktes ths Ispanias, h E.E. prowqei mia aysthroterh nomoqesia gia ta ploia ta opoia rypainoyn th qalassa. Ap@ o,ti diabazoyme, h kybernhsh antitiqetai s@ ayth th nomoqesia. Dedomenoy oti o k. Dhmas analambanei to xartofylakio toy Periballontos, pisteyete, prwton, oti synadei ayth h symperifora ths kybernhshs me thn anagkaia eyaisqhsia sta zhthmata toy periballontos; Kai deyteron, qelw na rwthsw an sthn prosfath synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me toys efoplistes eteqh ayto to qema apo thn pleyra twn efoplistwn.

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, h kybernhsh exei idiaiterh eyaisqhsia se qemata prostasias periballontos kai ayto exei fanei polles fores. Deyteron, sta eidika qemata sta opoia anaferqhkate, qa enhmerwqw kai qa sas apanthsw

POYLIDOY: Se poia qemata eidika;

ANTWNAROS: Se mia seira qematwn ta opoia den prokeitai na apariqmhsw ayth th stigmh.

TSIODRAS: Dyo erwthseis: An h kybernhsh einai politika ikanopoihmenh apo ta apotelesmata ths apografhs, me bash to qorybo poy exei dhmioyrghqei sthn Eyrwph. Deyteron, eipate oti egine logos gia syzhthsh kai oxi gia symfwnia anamesa ston k. Erntogan kai ton k. Karamanlh. Wstoso, sthn omilia toy o Prwqypoyrgos, sth Qessalonikh, milhse gia ``kat@ arxhn symfwnia''. Eipe oti petyxame thn prwth symfwnia gia meiwsh twn ejoplismwn.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei o,ti sas eipa prohgoymenws. Oson afora thn prwth erwthsh sas, asfalws kai eimaste ikanopoihmenoi apo ta apotelesmata ths apografhs.

XIWTHS: Prospernate synexws to qema toy kostoys twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn me mia lejh ``prosexws''. Den einai toso aplo. Eixe desmeyqei h kybernhsh oti to kostos twn Agwnwn qa anakoinwqei meta to telos toys. Einai ena megeqos to opoio den ejelissetai. Antiqetws, exei probalei polles epifylajeis gia to pws exei ypologisqei. Giati h kybernhsh toses ebdomades meta den exei anakoinwsei to kostos twn Agwnwn;

ANTWNAROS: Otan einai etoima ta stoixeia, qa sas ta anakoinwsoyme.

XIWTHS: Pws den einai etoimoi; Oi ariqmoi den ejelissontai. Oi Agwnes exoyn teleiwsei kai exoyn ajiologhqei.

ANTWNAROS: Otan einai etoimoi oi ariqmoi, qa anakoinwqoyn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Se allo qema, gia to basiko metoxo. Shmera, sthn efhmerida ``EQNOS'', o Ellhnas Epitropos k. Dhmas se synenteyjh toy probainei se kapoies epifylajeis, se sxesh me to an qa einai symbato to nomosxedio poy etoimazei h Kybernhsh me to isxyon Koinotiko Dikaio. Kai malista, probainei sthn ektimhsh oti to Koinotiko Dikaio katisxyei se kaqe periptwsh ths ellhnikhs, eswterikhs ennomhs tajhs. Ti exete na peite ep@ aytoy;

ANTWNAROS: Oi ryqmiseis toy nomosxedioy gia to basiko metoxo, briskontai hdh sto stadio ths epejergasias. Den exei kaneis apo to na perimenei kai na dei to teliko sxedio nomoy, opws qa katateqei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den fobaste oti telika yparxei periptwsh na aporrifqei apo thn E.E. kai thn Komision;

ANTWNAROS: As perimenoyme na doyme to teliko sxedio toy nomoy.

BLAXOS: Perasa xqes apo thn Kakia Skala kai parathrhsa oti exoyn stamathsei ta erga. Logw ths mh oloklhrwshs twn ergwn, yphrxan problhmata sthn kykloforia twn aytokinhtwn, kindyneyan zwes. Omws, exei mplokaristei ayth h diadikasia. Problhmatizetai h kybernhsh gia to gegonos oti shmantika erga poy einai pros ofelos toy Ellhna polith, exoyn mplokaristei kai exoyn stamathsei kai ti qa kanei gia na proxwrhsoyn ayta ta erga;

ANTWNAROS: To Symboylio ths Epikrateias einai organo ths Dikaiosynhs. Leitoyrgei anejarthta kai prepei na sebomaste tis apofaseis toy.

BLAXOS: Nomoys poy exete kanei eseis oi politikoi. Etsi;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eyxaristw poly.

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