Greek Government Press Briefing, 03-10-23

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 23 Oktwbrioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

GIANNISHS: Pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh tis prwtoboylies poy analhfqhkan gia na yparjei proseggish metajy toy Oikoymenikoy Patriarxeioy kai ths Ekklhsias ths Elladas; Kai deyteron, yphrje kybernhtikh anamijh se ayto to qema, apo pleyras ypoyrgwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Bebaiws kai den yphrje kybernhtikh anamijh. Htan kaqara atomikes prwtoboylies, poy aposkopoyn se mia ektonwsh ths krishs. Den exoyme kanena logo na mhn tis xairethsoyme, opws xairetizoyme kai kaqe allh sxetikh prwtoboylia.

IWANNOY: Eirhneytikh prwtoboylia, ean synexistei etsi h katastash, protiqeste, skepteste na labete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exoyme tonisei oti den prepei na ginei parembash se ena shmantiko zhthma, gia thn Orqodojia. Einai qema gia to opoio mporei na breqei lysh apo thn idia thn Ekklhsia.

MIXAHL: Para to gegonos oti opws lete, htan atomikes prwtoboylies, qelw na rwthsw ean h kybernhsh gnwrize prin pane kai oi dyo apostoles twn Mhtropolitwn kai twn politwn sto Fanari gi ayta ta tajidia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den to gnwrizame, den eixame kamia anamijh.

FILHS: Gia to qema toy Odyssea Tsenai, yphrje ayth h katalhjh, oysiastika me ekbiastiko tropo epiblhqhke ston aristoyxo Albano maqhth na paraithqei toy dikaiwmatos toy na einai shmaioforos. Qelw ena sxolio gi ayth thn katalhjh.

PRWTOPAPAS: H katalhjh htan apofash toy idioy toy maqhth, htan mia dikh toy prwtoboylia. Kata th gnwmh moy epedeije mia idiaitera ajiopreph stash. Omws, yparxei h oysia kai ayth qelw na sxoliasw. Einai aparadekto ayto poy paei na ginei apo orismenoys. Einai parembash me ratsistika xarakthristika, h opoia den mporei na ginei apodekth. Th qewrw akoma pio aparadekth, apo th stigmh poy empodizetai na ekfrastoyn san Ellhnes, anqrwpoi poy niwqoyn Ellhnes. Anqrwpoi poy einai koinwnoi ths paideias kai toy politismoy mas kai aisqanontai yperhfanoi na shkwsoyn thn ellhnikh shmaia, einai aparadekto na yparxoyn anqrwpoi poy to arnoyntai ayto kai na epitiqentai enantion toys me mono krithrio th diaforetikh proeleysh. Ayto deixnei aparadekta ratsistika xarakthristika, poy prepei na ta katadikasoyme. Den prepei na epitrecoyme se kamia periptwsh sthn koinwnia mas na dhmioyrghqoyn ``gketo''.

FILHS: Ta osa eipate twra, ta lete sthn Aqhna. Sth Qessalonikh, omws, me thn anoxh h th symmetoxh se orismenes periptwseis paragontwn kai organwsewn poy kinoyntai sto xwro toy PASOK kai ths N.D., anaptyssetai antiqeth praktikh, oxi aplws logia, alla erga ta opoia parabiazoyn to Syntagma kai toys nomoys. Protiqeste na parete kapoia prwtoboylia, gia paradeigma, oi topikoi boyleytes na bgaloyn kapoies anakoinwseis h na kanoyn periodeies, gia na peisoyn kai na antiparateqoyn sthn prajh me aytes tis antilhceis h qa ekfwneite aplws logoys apo thn Aqhna;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den ekfwnoyme logoys. Toso o ypoyrgos Paideias, oso ki egw, exoyme safh qesh, eimaste kathgorhmatikoi kai ekfrazoyme thn kybernhsh. Apo kei kai pera, ean xreiazetai perissoterh kinhtopoihsh kai prospaqeia sthn koinwnia, apantw eyqews, nai. Kaloyme oles tis koinwnikes kai politikes dynameis, poy antilambanontai ta pragmata me ton idio tropo, na kinhtopoihqoyn gia na empodisoyme kai na apomonwsoyme ta aparadekta ratsistika fainomena. Den tairiazoyn sthn Ellada aytes oi symperifores.

FILHS: Protiqeste na diorganwsete me prwtoboylia twn topikwn arxwn...

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai swsto.

FILHS: Yparxei ypoyrgos Makedonias Qrakhs. H kybernhsh ekei den leitoyrgei, einai ektos Elladas h Nea Mhxaniwna;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exoyme parei qesh, alla yparxoyn orismenes fores poy ta politika kommata kai oi koinwnikoi foreis prepei na analambanoyn tis dikes toy aytonomes prwtoboylies. Kai kaloyme tis politikes kai koinwnikes omades na symbaloyn me apolyto tropo se ayth thn kateyqynsh.

FILHS: Sxetika me thn protash toy k. Pagkaloy na doqei me apofash toy ypoyrgoy Eswterikwn amesws h ellhnikh yphkoothta ston Odyssea Tsenai, wste na yparjei mia emprakth apanthsh se ena yferponta ratsismo, poia einai h apanthsh sas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Anamfibola einai endiaferoysa h protash, alla prepei na milhsw me ton ypoyrgo Eswterikwn kai meta na topoqethqw.

SIDERHS: Me poio dikaiwma omogenopoieite kai kathgoreite toys antitiqemenoys; H basikh antirrhsh einai to qema yphkoothtas kai oxi ths eqnothtas. Me poio dikaiwma katalogizete ratsismo se olon ayton ton kosmo; Einai tyxaio oti sth Boreia Ellada plhqainoyn ayta ta kroysmata; Einai maqhtikos epainos to eqniko mas symbolo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ena neo paidi poy metexei sthn paideia kai ton politismo mas, poy mila ellhnika kai aristeyei, emeis to empodizoyme, epeidh leme oti h katagwgh toy einai allhs eqnothtas. Ayto deixnei mia aparadekth stash. Oson afora to qema ths yphkoothtas gnwrizete oti einai lepto qema, poy exei kai alloy typoy diadikasies, oxi gia to sygkekrimeno proswpo, genika milw. Exoyme parei thn apofash na enswmatwsoyme toys oikonomikoys metanastes, oi opoioi exoyn dhlwqei, sthn ellhnikh koinwnia kai oikonomia, gi ayto toys dwsame kai tis prasines kartes. Gi ayto eipame oti prepei na doyleyoyn me isoys oroys me toys Ellhnes, ta paidia toys na phgainoyn se ellhnika sxoleia kai na periqalpontai sta nosokomeia mas. H qa prepei ayto na to apodexqoyme kai na zhsoyme mazi h qa prepei na arxisoyme na dhmioyrgoyme ``gketo''. Otan enas anqrwpos leei oti ``aisqanomai perhfanos poy qa shkwsw thn ellhnikh shmaia'', den katalabainw giati eimaste emeis poy to arnoymaste. Ayth einai h politikh mas. Apo kei kai pera, zhtame kai apo ta alla kommata na paroyn qesh. Kai parakalw ta MME na mas bohqhsoyn.

FILHS: O k. Kwstantopoylos xqes sth Boylh proteine na sygkrothqei diakommatikh epitroph, poy na analabei to ergo ths syzhthshs kai epilyshs aytoy toy qematos; Symfwneite h oxi;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas enhmerwnw gia kybernhtikes apofaseis kai oxi gia proqeseis. O,ti protaqhke to kratoyme. Qa milhsoyme me ton armodio Ypoyrgo kai qa epanelqoyme. Ola ta qemata ajiologoyntai.

FILHS: Enwpion toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth Boylh egine h protash.

PRWTOPAPAS: Thn ajiologoyme. Oles oi protaseis einai sebastes kai ajiologoyntai. Orismena pragmata lynontai me prajeis, oxi mono me diakommatikes.

PAPPAS: Epeita apo osa eipe xqes o Prwqypoyrgos sto Ektelestiko Grafeio. gia ton Proedro ths ADEDY, qa hqele na rwthsw ean tiqetai qema gia ton k. Papaspyro, poy einai kai melos ths K.E.;

PRWTOPAPAS: Diabasa diafora dhmosieymata me diafores phges plhroforhshs. Qelw na meinw sthn epishmh topoqethsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, o opoios anaferomenos stis kinhtopoihseis, zhthse apo toys ergazomenoys aytosygkrathsh, me dedomeno oti egine dialogos gia tis ayjhseis kai h fetinh eisodhmatikh politikh einai pragmati idiaitera qetikh gia toys ergazomenoys. Zhthse, epishs, se orismenes periptwseis, opws einai to qema twn skoypidiwn, poy exei idiaitera arnhtikes epiptwseis sto qema ths ygeias twn politwn, na epideixqei h anagkaia koinwnikh eyaisqhsia.

MIXAHL: Eseis menete se ayth th genikh diatypwsh kai ayto einai to ena skelos. O Prwqypoyrgos eipe h oxi oti sthrizei lanqasmenes koinwnikes diekdikhseis h ADEDY kai o k. Papaspyros;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exw na prosqesw tipota allo, pera apo ayta poy eipa kai apo ayta poy eipe xqes o Grammateas toy PASOK.

KARGOYDH: Anejarthta apo to ti eipwqhke sto E.G. yparxei ena qema me thn ADEDY;

PRWTOPAPAS: Metajy kybernhshs kai ADEDY; Piqana na exoyme diaforetikes optikes gwnies se orismena qemata.

KARGOYDH: Otan shmera anakoinwnetai ektakth synanthsh toy k. Papaspyroy me ton k. Skandalidh, antilambanomai oti ek twn ysterwn kataballontai prospaqeies gia na breqei mia logikh, xrysh tomh.

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Papaspyros dhlwse -den ton ekfrazw , alla exw to apospasma ths dhlwshs toy, sto radiofwniko staqmo FLASH- oti se kamia periptwsh den yphrxe parembash toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth leitoyrgia ths ADEDY kai twn syndikalistikwn organwsewn kai den htan dynato na yparjei.

PAPPA: Eipe h den eipe xqes o Prwqypoyrgos sto E.G. peri ADEDY...

PRWTOPAPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos xqes topoqethqhke sxetika me tis kinhtopoihseis. Zhthse apo toys ergazomenoys aytosygkrathsh, me dedomeno oti kai dialogos egine kai h fetinh eisodhmatikh politikh einai idiaitera qetikh gia toys ergazomenoys. Tonise oti eimaste anoiktoi se peraiterw dialogo me tis syndikalistikes organwseis, se opoiodhpote allo qema, ektos ths eisodhmatikhs politikhs. Zhthse, omws, kai epemene se ayto, na yparxei epideijh koinwnikhs eyaisqhsias apo oloys toys ergazomenoys toy dhmosioy tomea, se qemata, opws ayto twn aporrimmatwn, poy mporei na exoyn idiaitera arnhtikes epiptwseis sto koinwniko synolo.

TSEMPERHS: Me liga logia h kybernhsh ektima oti h ADEDY den epideiknyei sth sygkekrimenh stigmh sto qema ayto thn anagkaia koinwnikh eyaisqhsia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Mhn moy bazete logia poy den eipa. Eipa oti kaloyme toys ergazomenoys sto xwro ths kaqariothtas na epideijoyn koinwnikh eyaisqhsia.

TSEMPERHS: Pws xarakthrizei h kybernhsh th stash ths ADEDY;

PRWTOPAPAS: Shmera yparxei h synanthsh toy ypoyrgoy Eswterikwn me ton Proedro ths ADEDY k. Papaspyro. Perimenoyme ta apotelesmata. Peran aytoy, pragmati kaloyme thn ADEDY, opws kalesame kai toys ergazomenoys na symbalei se ena qema poy afora thn ygeia toy Ellhna polith. Qelw na pisteyw oti h prwtoboylia poy anelabe h ADEDY, pros ayto apoblepei.

FILHS: Sxetika me thn ekkremothta gia thn Arxh Prostasias Dedomenwn sto aerodromio "El Benizelos", exete ta plhrh stoixeia na mas enhmerwsete;

PRWTOPAPAS: Prokeitai gia "symmetoxh toy dieqnoys aerolimena "El. Benizelos" sto xrhmatodotoymeno ereynhtiko pilotiko eyrwpaiko programma S - Travel. To programma ayto xrhmatodoteitai apo thn E.E., oxi apo emas, kai apo thn kybernhsh ths Elbetias poy den anhkei sthn E.E.. Se ayto symmetexei h IATA, h Alitalia, o dieqnhs aerolimenas toy Milanoy, seira apo eyrwpaikes etaireies texnologias kai apo thn Ellada symmetexei o dieqnhs aerolimenas Aqhnwn "El. Benizelos".

Qeloyn na epejergastoyn ena protypo gia th biometrikh pistopoihsh twn epibatwn sta aerodromia, etsi wste o epibaths poy elegxei to eisithrio toy na einai o idios poy qa epibibastei sto aeroplano. Prokeitai gia pilotiko programma, den apotelei kati monimo. Qa efarmostei gia ena mikro xroniko diasthma kai meta qa ajiologhqoyn apo thn E.E. ta apotelesmata toy. H pilotikh efarmogh toy metroy aytoy qa einai se eqelontikh bash kai apeyqynetai stoys taktikoys epibates ths Alitalia, oi opoioi tajideyoyn apo thn Aqhna sto Milano kai antistrofa kai qa oloklhrwqei ton Aprilio toy 2004. Sth synexeia, toy eggrafoy poy exw, paratiqentai diafora sxetika stoixeia. Ekeino poy prepei na epishmanw einai oti ta stoixeia ayta apoqhkeyontai mono sthn karta toy katoxoy. Dhladh, kaqe epibaths exei proswpikh karta sthn opoia anaferontai ta proswpika dedomena toy. Monon ekei anaferontai ta stoixeia ayta. Ean to ereynhsete kai o idios qa diapistwsete oti kanena apo ta biometrika stoixeia twn epibatwn den apoqhkeyetai. To tonizw ayto. Ws pros thn ajiologhsh aytoy toy programmatos ypeyqynes na apofanqoyn gia ta apotelesmata toy einai oi armodies yphresies ths E.E..

FILHS: Syggnwmh, milate me xrono enestwta. Dhladh, to programma efarmozetai.

PRWTOPAPAS: Apo to Noembrio toy 2003 ews ton Aprilio toy 2004, symfwna me ta stoixeia poy exw sth diaqesh moy.

FILHS: Wraia, loipon, sas diabazw thn apofash ths Arxhs Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn, giati ayth einai h armodia. Yparxei apofash kai den apantate se ayto@

PRWTOPAPAS: Epanalambanw oti, symfwna me to eggrafo, ola ta prohgoymena proswpika stoixeia exoyn ypoblhqei pros enhmerwsh sthn ellhnikh Arxh Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn.

FILHS: Exei bgalei apofash poy leei oti den prepei na epitrapei h efarmogh aytoy toy programmatos. Sygkekrimena anaferei: "H dienergeia pilotikoy programmatos efarmoghs biometrikwn meqodwn me apofash ths 16/10/2003, ths Arxhs Prostasias Proswpikoy Xarakthra den prepei na epitrapei".

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa to doyme. Den einai diko mas programma.

FILHS: Ma, ti lete, sthn ellhnikh epikrateia efarmozetai.

PRWTOPAPAS: Meletatai to programma.

FILHS: Mesolaboyn tesseris hmeres apo shmera prin jekinhsei, lete, h efarmogh toy programmatos. Edw kai deka hmeres yparxei apofash ths Arxhs Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn. Ayth einai h ypeyqynh Arxh, h syntagmatika katoxyrwmenh kai den exete na moy dwsete apanthsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ena pragma qa sas pw kai qa stamathsw ekei. To eipa xqes, qa to epanalabw kai shmera: Den einai diko mas programma, einai pilotiko programma ths E.E. apo thn opoia xrhmatodoteitai. Ola ta lambanoyme ypoch mas, opws kai thn apofash thn opoia epikalesthkate. Yparxei ena nomiko problhma apo thn E.E., to opoio ejetazetai. Den einai aplo qema, den einai apofash ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs.

FILHS: Einai parabiash dikaiwmatwn ston ellhniko xwro. Oi taytothtes einai ptaisma mprosta se ayto.

PRWTOPAPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti kanena biometriko stoixeio twn epibatwn den apoqhkeyetai. Ta stoixeia anaferontai mono sthn karta toy katoxoy kai poyqena alloy.

FILHS: Mh gineste propagandisths toy programmatos, to opoio aporriptei h armodia Arxh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws sas eipa kai xqes ajiologoyme thn apofash poy phre h ellhnikh Arxh Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn.

FILHS: Eiste ypoxrewmenoi na thn efarmosete. Mhn thn ajiologeite. Mhn apantate paranomws tosh wra.

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxei seira nomikwn qematwn poy ejetazontai.

FILHS: Eiste ypoxrewmenoi na thn efarmosete, opws o k. Xristodoylos gia to qema twn taytothtwn. Mhn kanete pws den katalabainete.

BITALHS: Sto qema poy eqese o k. Filhs qelw mia dieykrinish: Milate gia eqelontikh bash, toylaxiston gia osoys kanoyn th diadromh Aqhna-Milano kai antistrofa.

PRWTOPAPAS: Etsi einai o kanonismos toy programmatos.

BITALHS: An mpw sto aeroplano na paw apo thn Aqhna sto Milano kai dhlwsw oti den dexomai na moy kanoyn elegxo, den ginetai;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi. Anaferetai safws sto keimeno poy sas diabasa.

BITALHS: Ta stoixeia poy lete oti apoqhkeyontai mono sthn karta toy katoxoy, shmainei oti thn karta ayth thn krataw mono egw;

PRWTOPAPAS: Bebaiws. Symfwna me to keimeno poy exw mprosta moy, nai. Einai kaqara texniko qema, gi` ayto lew symfwna me to keimeno. Einai kaqara eqelontiko. Monon o katoxos ths kartas exei ayta ta stoixeia. Kanena apo ayta ta stoixeia den perierxetai stis etaireies. Apo ekei kai pera, ta nomika zhthmata poy prokyptoyn apo thn apofash qa ejetastoyn kai qa epilyqoyn.

BITALHS: Opws qetete to qema, kai gi` ayto zhtaw dieykrinish, lete oti einai eqelontiko.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den to lew egw. To anaferei to keimeno.

BITALHS: To leei to eggrafo, bebaiws. Exw mia parathrhsh: To idio qema eixe anakycei kai me tis taytothtes, otan mphke to qema toy proairetikoy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ti sxesh exei to ena me to allo;

BITALHS: Exei sxesh.

PRWTOPAPAS: O laos leei, gia na xrhsimopoihsw mia paroimia, "ti sxesh exei o fanths me to retsinolado;". Edw prokeitai gia ena programma poy qa efarmostei se elaxisth klimaka@

FILHS: Programmataki gia fakelwma@

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia na ginei fakelwma qa prepei na krataei thn karta kapoios allos, oxi eseis.

FILHS: H Arxh Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn einai safhs. Thn ektimhsate kai th diorisate.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qa epanelqw ep` aytoy.

FILHS: Ejaggellete paranomia kai den qa epanelqete; Eiste ypologos, mh lete oti den qa epanelqete.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa oti meletame ola ta stoixeia poy yparxoyn. Ws pros to nomiko meros, ola qa ejetastoyn. To dieykrinisa apo thn arxh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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