Greek Government Press Briefing, 03-10-08

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 8 Oktwbrioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

KOTTARIDHS: Exoyme kati neotero me to syllhfqenta, feromeno ws melos ths Al Kainta;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sto qema ayto, oi ereynes synexizontai. Mexri stigmhs, omws, den exei prokycei symperasma oti prokeitai gia kati sobaro. To antiqeto qa elega. Gia na ginw pio sygkekrimenos, synexizoyme tis ereynes, alla den fainetai oti ta pragmata exoyn sobares diastaseis.

ANTYPAS: Dyo erwthseis, th mia sas thn eqesa kai xqes. Epeidh ta dhmosieymata epimenoyn, an yparxei kapoio problhma stis sxeseis toy Megaroy Majimoy me ypoyrgoys kai sygkekrimena ean o k. Shmiths den einai ikanopoihmenos apo thn kinhtikothta kai thn kinhtopoihsh twn ypoyrgwn, se o,ti afora thn probolh toy kybernhtikoy ergoy.

PRWTOPAPAS: To eipa kai xqes, alla nomizw oti prepei na to epanalabw kai shmera. Den yfistatai tetoio qema. Bebaiws, o Prwqypoyrgos qa apeyqynqei thn Pempth, apo to bhma toy Eqnikoy Symboylioy toy PASOK, kai qa zhthsei th synolikh strateysh olwn twn dynamewn toy Kinhmatos se olh thn Ellada. Ennow to synolo twn stelexwn, to synolo twn melwn, oloys ekeinoys poy mporoyn na diadramatisoyn ena rolo se mia megalh ejormhsh poy xreiazetai gia thn probolh toy pragmati terastioy ergoy mas, alla kai ths prooptikhs mas, opws ayth katagrafetai sth Xarta oikonomikhs kai koinwnikhs sygklishs. Me toys ypoyrgoys den yparxei kanena qema, dioti oi ypoyrgoi metexoyn hdh sta klimakia poy syntonizei o k. Akribakhs se olh thn Ellada. Eginan, pragmati, periodeies, para polles kai shmantikes kata to mhna Septembrio kai aytes qa epanalhfqoyn kai ton Oktwbrio, to Noembrio kai to Dekembrio. Ara, h sxetikh apostrofh toy logoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy qa afora to synolo toy kommatikoy stelexikoy dynamikoy, to synolo twn dynamewn poy mporoyme na strateysoyme se kaqe xwrio, se kaqe polh, se olh thn Ellada.

ANTYPAS: Dieykrinistika, exei ginei apologismos twn mexri shmera periodeiwn twn ypoyrgwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Bebaiws, exei ginei. Katagrafontai ola ta symperasmata apo tis periodeies, symfwna me tis ekqeseis poy kataqetoyn oi ypoyrgoi, apo ton k. Akribakh kai apo stelexh toy Kinhmatos.

ANTYPAS: Kataqetoyn oloi oi ypoyrgoi ekqeseis; Giati oi plhrofories anaferoyn oti einai metrhmenoi sta daktyla toy xerioy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Katatiqentai apo oloys oi plhrofories kai ta symperasmata apo tis periodeies. Oloi oi ypoyrgoi metexoyn sthn prospaqeia ayth kai prepei na sas pw oti o Prwqypoyrgos einai idiaitera eyxaristhmenos apo ta apotelesmata ayths ths ejormhshs.

ANTYPAS: H deyterh erwthsh poy qelw na sas kanw afora thn ekqesh ths "Dieqnoys Diafaneias", ths Epitrophs ayths poy ferei th xwra mas prwth sth diafqora, metajy twn 15 xwrwn-melwn ths E.E.. Bebaia, h Epitroph ayth metra synolika 133 xwres kai h Ellada einai sthn 50h qesh. Poio einai to sxolio sas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eida th sxetikh ekqesh, alla epitrecte moy na jekaqarisoyme orismena pragmata kai na ta poyme me to onoma toys. Exoyme mia idiwtikh etairia, thn "International Transparency". Den einai enas organismos poy anhkei ston OHE h se kapoio allo dieqnes plaisio. Einai mia idiwtikh etairia, h opoia sthn Ellada ekproswpeitai apo ena dioikhtiko symboylio, sto opoio proistatai h ka Birginia Tsoyderoy, ws gnwston prwhn ypoyrgos kai stelexos ths N.D.. Exw thn entypwsh oti me ton asafh kai pragmatika periergo tropo poy xeirizetai h edw ekproswphsh ths "Dieqnoys Diafaneias" ta stoixeia, oysiastika prospaqei na ejyphrethsei toys politikoys stoxoys ths N.D.. Den einai tyxaio, ejalloy, oti sto dioikhtiko symboylio ths symmetexei kai epikoinwniakos symboylos toy k. Karamanlh. Den prepei na probaloyme mono ta arnhtika, alla prepei na tonizoyme kai ta qetika. Na jekaqarisoyme merika pragmata mia kai kalh. Exoyn yparjei aities h problhmata diafqoras sthn Ellada, opws yparxoyn kai se oles tis xwres. Oydeis arnhqhke oti orismena problhmata h orismenes aities kai yphrjan kai yparxoyn. Gi@ ayto systhsame to Swma Epiqewrhtwn Elegktwn Dhmosias Dioikhshs (SEEDD), to Swma Diwjhs Oikonomikoy Egklhmatos (SDOE), gi@ ayto kai prosfata qespisthke o qesmos toy Genikoy Epiqewrhtoy Dhmosias Dioikhshs, opws epishs kai to Swma Eswterikhs Epiqewrhshs sthn Astynomia. Exoyn katablhqei, loipon, prospaqeies kai exoyn dhmioyrghqei qesmoi gia thn katapolemhsh ths diafqoras, analogoi me toys eyrwpaikoys, isws kai kalyteroi apo aytoys. Kai mesw aytwn twn Swmatwn kataballetai prospaqeia. H N.D. poy, apo o,ti fainetai xrhsimopoiei to en Elladi pararthma ths "Dieqnoys Diafaneias", erxetai na antiparateqei kai na xtyphsei aytoys toys qesmoys. Den einai tyxaia, gia paradeigma, h synexhs epiqetikh anafora toy k. Karamanlh, alla kai stelexwn ths N.D. kata toy SDOE, enw analoges epiqeseis exoyn ginei kai stoys alloys qesmoys. Apo th mia, loipon, h N.D. xtypa, anoikta antiparatiqetai me tis organwseis kai toys qesmoys poy einai oi entetalmenoi apo thn Politeia gia thn katapolemhsh ths diafqoras sto dhmosio tomea kai apo thn allh -kai edw prosqetw oti den einai tyxaio oti h epiqesh ayth kata toy SDOE syndeetai me toys elegxoys toy Swmatos aytoy, opws se oloys toys Ellhnes kai se oles tis ellhnikes epixeirhseis, orismenes apo tis opoies qewrei h N.D. epixeirhseis h proswpa poy syndeontai mazi ths- dia ths kas Tsoyderoy h dia toy epikoinwniakoy symboyloy toy k. Karamanlh, toy k. Flessa, erxetai na dhmioyrghsei epikoinwniaka gegonota. Den einai epikoinwniako to qema ths diafqoras. Epiteloys! Den einai epikoinwniako ena megalo qema sto opoio exoyn katablhqei terasties prospaqeies sthn Ellada. Den einai tyxaio oti gia oles tis megales symbaseis kaneis den mporei na tekmhriwsei kati arnhtiko. Den einai tyxaio oti exoyn ginei toso megala erga kai exoyn ginei me kaqestws apolyths diafaneias kai oti opoiosdhpote epixeirhse na dhmioyrghsei qema, ayto epese sto keno. Nai, na doylecoyme kai na antimetwpisoyme th diafqora, na sthrijoyme to SDOE, to SEEDD, na sthrijoyme to Eswteriko Swma ths Astynomias poy exei kanei mia spoydaia doyleia. Na sthrijoyme oloys aytoys toys qesmoys kai tis arxes. Etsi prosferoyme ergo sth xwra. Oxi bazontas toys dikoys mas na th dysfhmoyn dieqnws.

KARGOYDH: Sthn efhmerida "Makedonia" shmera dhmosieyontai plhrofories, symfwna me tis opoies stis 26/9 sto San Frantsisko, sth diarkeia mias diadhlwshs, kapoioi ek twn diadhlwtwn eisebalan sto ellhniko Projeneio. Eixan zhthqei apo ellhnikhs pleyras, se protero xrono, eidika metra asfaleias, den eixan lhfqei, akoloyqhse diabhma toy Presbh mas sthn Oyasigkton, den doqhkan ejhghseis apo amerikanikhs pleyras. Tiqetai, loipon, ena zhthma ajiopistias ths amerikanikhs pleyras, oson afora th stash ths gia th fylajh twn ellhnikwn presbeiwn, alla kai twn epikrisewn poy kata kairoys ejapolyei kata ths xwras mas. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Eimai, hdh, se synennohsh me to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn. Diabasa to dhmosieyma, alla epeidh prepei na dieykrinisoyme orismena qemata gia na eimaste plhreis, qa moy epitrecete na sas apanthsw ayrio.

BITALHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes h toyrkikh eqnosyneleysh me thn chfo ths epikyrwse mia apofash ths toyrkikhs kybernhshs gia apostolh 10.000 Toyrkwn stratiwtwn sto Irak. Qelw na sas rwthsw, pws ektima -an yparxei ayth th stigmh kapoia ektimhsh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs- ayth thn kinhsh ths Toyrkias kai ean pisteyete oti h apostolh dynamewn enos geitonikoy kratoys se ena allo omoro kratos symballei sthn asfaleia kai th staqerothta ths eyryterhs perioxhs;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa sas epanalabw th genikh topoqethsh mas gia to Irak: H paroysia olwn twn jenwn strateymatwn sto Irak egkymonei terastioys kindynoys, oi opoioi pleon einai oratoi. Den odhgei poyqena ayth h istoria kai periplekei para lynei ta problhmata. Oso pio grhgora analabei o OHE -gnwrizw oti ginontai sxetikes syzhthseis-, oso pio grhgora arxisei h apokatastash ths eqnikhs kyriarxias sto Irak, oso pio grhgora analaboyn oi Irakinoi tis tyxes toys, toso pio wfelimo qa einai kai gia th dieqnh koinothta, gia tis xwres poy exoyn emplakei, gia to lao toy Irak kai gia olo ton kosmo.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, yparxei epistolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy pros toys prytaneis, me antikeimeno kai periexomeno tis kinhtopoihseis se ayton ton klado;

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxei apanthtikh epistolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, se epistolh toy k. Mpampiniwth, me thn idiothta toy ws ekproswpoy toy syntonistikoy organoy twn prytanewn, gyrw apo ta qemata poy apasxoloysan kai apasxoloyn ta panepisthmia mas. O Prwqypoyrgos sthn epistolh toy ayth anaferei oti qa prepei gia ta men oikonomika qemata na yparjoyn synanthseis me toys synarmodioys ypoyrgoys, oi opoies bebaiws exoyn proxwrhsei. Gia ta genikotera de qemata ths Paideias qa yparjoyn, bebaiws, synanthseis kai me ton idio, opws kai sto parelqon. Einai gnwsto to idiaitero endiaferon toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia ta qemata ths Paideias kai h proswpikh enasxolhsh toy, parallhla kai se syntonismo me ton ypoyrgo Paideias.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Me poia hmeromhnia einai aytes oi epistoles, toso toy k. Mpampiniwth, oso kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: An qymamai kala, h apanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy prepei na einai 2 Oktwbrioy.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Giati, tote, den yphrje aytes tis hmeres kamia enhmerwsh gi` ayto to qema; Den kriqhke ws shmantiko;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayta poy anaferei o Prwqypoyrgos sthn epistolh toy exoyn, kat` epanalhch, anaferqei. Epaneilhmmena, milwntas gia ta qemata ths Paideias, toso o k. Eyqymioy, oso kai o k. Xristodoylakhs, kaqws kai o ypofainomenos exoyme pei oti den yparxei kati neo na toys poyme, sxetika me tis oikonomikes diekdikhseis. Eimaste, omws, anoiktoi se dialogo gia ta megala qemata poy apasxoloyn ta Panepisthmia, opws p.x. ta qesmika poy exoyn teqei apo thn pleyra twn prytanewn. H oysia einai gnwsth, den prosqetei kati kainoyrgio o Prwqypoyrgos me thn epistolh toy.

ANTYPAS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, den einai oysia to gegonos oti parembainei o Prwqypoyrgos, th stigmh poy brisketai ston "aera" h ejetastikh periodos gia dekades xiliades spoydastes;

PRWTOPAPAS: H epistolh den prosqetei tipota kainoyrgio, pera apo o,ti sas exw pei edw h pera apo osa exoyn pei o k. Eyqymioy kai o k. Xristodoylakhs.

ANTYPAS: Dhladh, gia to Megaro Majimoy, den yparxei poiotikh diafora to o,ti parembainei o idios Prwqypoyrgos.

PRWTOPAPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos elabe mia epistolh apo toys prytaneis kai apanthse. Ean den apantoyse qa legate, giati den apanthse. An o k. Mpampiniwths eixe pei oti esteile epistolh, piqanon qa moy eixate qesei to qema, giati den apanta o Prwqypoyrgos. O Prwqypoyrgos apanthse stoys prytaneis twn AEI kai einai logiko apo th stigmh poy elabe thn epistolh, dioti sebetai kai toys ekpaideytikoys kai to leitoyrghma toys. Ekeino poy endiaferei einai oti ayth h apanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy einai sto idio periexomeno me ayto poy sas exei analyqei, toso apo toys synarmodioys ypoyrgoys, oso kai apo emena, ws ekproswpoy toy. Den prosqetei kati poy den gnwrizete. Leei ayta poy exei pei o Prwqypoyrgos sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, yparxei qema tajhs. H epistolh ayth qa mporoyse na exei doqei apo esas h apo to Grafeio Typoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai na mh diarreei epilektika pros sygkekrimenh kateyqynsh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Mhn kathgoreite gia diarroes.

GARGALAKOS: Den lew gia esas. Lew poio einai to swsto. Qa mporoyse na doqei edw se oloys toys synadelfoys kai oxi na doqei epilektika se mia efhmerida.

PRWTOPAPAS: Na jekaqarisoyme kati: Estalh mia epistolh apo toys prytaneis, oi opoioi ej oswn gnwrizw den th dhmosiopoihsan. O Prwqypoyrgos apanthse me to idio, akribws, periexomeno poy sas exw anakoinwsei epaneilhmmena.

GARGALAKOS: Yparxei qema kai to jerete, poy bebaia einai qema toy epikoinwniakoy epiteleioy genika ths kybernhshs.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ti doyleia exei to epikoinwniako epiteleio;

GARGALAKOS: Ennow, osoi apo esas apo qesmikh qesh anameignyeste sto zhthma ths epikoinwnias.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den anamignyomaste sto qema ths allhlografias toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: H Ypath Armosteia Prosfygwn, xqes, poy apotelei organo toy OHE aphyqyne seira systasewn sthn ellhnikh kybernhsh, sxetika me toys prosfyges, perigrafontas me ligo algeino tropo tis synqhkes krathshs toys kai parallhla, dhmosia, ekproswpoi ths Ypaths Armosteias eipan oti to ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs aporriptei oles sxedon tis aithseis me apofaseis "karmpon", xwris aitiologia. Qa hqela kapoio sxolio.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exoyn etsi ta pragmata, oyte gia tis aithseis, oyte apofaseis "karmpon" yparxoyn. To antiqeto. Yparxei mia prosektikh ejetash twn aithsewn peri asyloy. Gia na kataqesei, omws, kapoios aithsh asyloy prepei na mporei na tekmhriwsei to oti kindyneyei. Oxi na exoyme oikonomikoys metanastes, oi opoioi kanoyn "karmpon" aithseis peri asyloy, profanws gia na ejasfalisoyn kalytera toys oroys nomimopoihshs. Na poyme ta pragmata me to onoma toys. Eimaste poly anoiktoi kai poly qetikoi gia toys prosfyges. Gia toys prosfyges, omws. Einai allh h ypoqesh twn oikonomikwn metanastwn, gia toys opoioys, opws gnwrizete, exoyme mexri twra kanei dyo fores diadikasia nomimopoihshs. Dyo fores, oxi mia. H Ellada den einai mia xwra anoiktwn synorwn. Nai, stis aithseis gia toys prosfyges, alla den mporoyme na eimaste to idio qetikoi, otan prokeitai gia oikonomiko metanasth, o opoios kataqetei mia asthrikth aithsh.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Anaforika me tis systaseis, giati einai seira systasewn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai logiko, oi dieqneis Organismoi na qeloyn pantote beltiwsh twn orwn gia toys prosfyges h akomh gia toys metanastes. Ayto, omws, sthn Ellada ginetai synexws. Yparxoyn kapoia problhmata, ta opoia pantote antimetwpizontai kata ton kalytero dynato tropo. Den mporei na xarakthrisei kapoios th xwra mas me toys xarakthrismoys poy exoyn doqei se seira allwn kratwn gia th symperifora toys apenanti se prosfyges h metanastes. H Ellada brisketai poly mprosta se ayta ta zhthmata. Se orismena shmeia xreiazontai pantote beltiwseis kai eimaste anoiktoi na prosarmozomaste se ayta.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa epanelqw sto qema ths diafqoras. Eipate oti exoyme toys kalyteroys qesmoys apo oloys toys Eyrwpaioys. Afoy eimaste kalyteroi apo toys Eyrwpaioys, giati ayjanetai synexeia h diafqora sthn Ellada;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eipa efamilloys kai orismenes fores kalyteroys. Den prosejate, fainetai, thn apanthsh moy. Den eipa oti h diafqora sthn Ellada ayjanetai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kaqe fora allazoyme qesh, pio panw pame.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den eipa oti ayjanetai h diafqora.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw to lew.

PRWTOPAPAS: Amfisbhtw thn ekqesh, eyqews thn amfisbhtw.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Amfisbhteite thn ekqesh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eyqews amfisbhthsa thn ekqesh toy en Elladi pararthmatos ths "International Transparency" kai th synedesa me politikes skopimothtes kai epikoinwniakes anagkes toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Prosfata bghke kai mia miza kapoy 21 dis gia kati Leopard, an exete ypoch sas.

PRWTOPAPAS: Me thn eykairia poy moy dinete prepei na sas pw oti ekfrazoyme thn idiaiterh ikanopoihsh mas, dioti o eisaggeleas asxolhqhke me thn ypoqesh, giati einai mia qaymasia eykairia na xyqei apleto fws kai pragmatika na dei o ellhnikos laos ti exei ginei. Kai emeis, oxi mono den fobomaste, alla xairomaste kai xairetizoyme ayto to gegonos oti o eisaggeleas epilhfqhke amesa toy qematos, prokeimenoy na stamathsei o opoiosdhpote epiqymei na rixnei, xwris logo, skies panw sto dhmosio bio. Den einai dynato se mia ypoqesh gia thn opoia thrhqhkan oloi oi kanonismoi kai egine me plhres kaqestws diafaneias, na ginomaste qymata toy antagwnismoy metajy diaforwn mh egxwriwn etaireiwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati, tote, afoy yparxei tosh pollh diafaneia, h E.E., o k. Mparnie mas phgainei synexeia sto Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio kai mas epiballei kai prostima;

PRWTOPAPAS: O k. Mparnie, opws se oles tis xwres, etsi exei kanei parathrhseis kai sthn Ellada, gyrw apo ta qemata toy B@ KPS. Xairomaste, giati prin kanei o k. Mparnie tis dikes toy parathrhseis, kaname emeis toys elegxoys, diapistwsame emeis ta problhmata, ta opoia -eirhsqw en parodw- einai poly mikrotera apo alles xwres-melh ths E.E..

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai sto Kthmatologio kanate, dioti ekei exei epembei o eisaggeleas kai exei parapemcei gia kakoyrghma polloys, gi` ayto lew kai plhrwsame kai arketa.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exoyme milhsei, kat` epanalhch, gi` ayta ta qemata.

Sas eyxaristw.

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