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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 11 Febroyarioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Qelw na ekfrasw thn idiaiterh qlich mas gia thn ptwsh toy elikopteroy toy EKAB. Gnwrizete oti oi ereynes synexizontai. Ekeino poy prepei na jekaqarisw einai oti, symfwna me thn plhroforhsh poy exoyme apo th dioikhsh toy EKAB kai to ypoyrgeio Ygeias, eixan yparjei oloi oi texnikoi elegxoi sto elikoptero. To plhrwma kai o kybernhths eixan thn aparaithth empeiria kai to elikoptero htan efodiasmeno me plwthres gia thn periptwsh prosqalasswshs. Qa diereynhqoyn ta aitia syntribhs toy elikopteroy apo thn eidikh Epitroph poy yparxei. O ypoyrgos Ygeias, opws gnwrizete, exei diatajei sxetikh ereyna, prokeimenoy na diapistwqei an eixan thrhqei oles oi problepomenes diatajeis.

Gia to logo ayto kai se endeijh eyaisqhsias gi` ayto to idiaitera sobaro kai lyphro gegonos, o Prwqypoyrgos anebale thn ayrianh episkech toy sthn Alejandroypolh.

Shmera stis 10 to prwi, synedriase h Diypoyrgikh Epitroph Ypaiqroy, me antikeimeno syzhthshs thn ekpaideysh twn agrotwn. Qa yparjei grapth dhlwsh apo to grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

-Ayth th stigmh, o Prwqypoyrgos synantatai me ton ypoyrgo Ygeias K. Stefanh. H synanthsh htan programmatismenh gia ta qemata poy syndeontai me th synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, poy qa ginei thn Pempth kai qa einai afierwmenh sthn Ygeia. Fysika, qa syzhthqei kai to qema ths epikairothtas.

Ayrio, stis 10 prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei synergasia me ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn G. Papandreoy. Stis 13.40, qa dexqei ekproswpoys toy Syndesmoy Ellhnikwn Toyristikwn Epixeirhsewn (SETE).

Thn Pempth, stis 10 to prwi, qa synedriasei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio me antikeimeno qemata ygeias.

Thn Paraskeyh, stis 10 to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos qa synergastei me ton ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn Niko Xristodoylakh. Stis 12 to meshmeri, qa dexqei ton Ypato Armosth toy OHE k. Loympers, armodio gia toys prosfyges. Stis 13.30, qa synergastei me to Grammatea toy PASOK Kwsta Laliwth.

To Sabbato, stis 6 to apogeyma, o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei synergasia me ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn Giwrgo Papandreoy.

Oristikopoihqhke h pragmatopoihsh ths synanthshs twn arxhgwn kratwn kai kybernhsewn twn xwrwn-melwn ths E.E., thn prosexh Deytera, stis Bryjelles. O Prwqypoyrgos qa epistrecei thn Trith, dioti me thn idiothta toy Proedreyontos toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy qa synanthqei kai me toys hgetes twn pros entajh deka xwrwn. Th Deytera, to prwi, qa yparjei atyph Synodos twn ypoyrgwn Ejwterikwn.

Sth synexeia, qa yparjei synanthsh twn arxhgwn kratwn kai kybernhsewn kai h synanthsh me toys hgetes twn ypo entajh xwrwn, poy qa pragmatopoihqei thn Trith to prwi.

H synanthsh poy qa ginei sto plaisio ths diapragmateyshs gia to Sxedio Anan, gia ta qemata eggyhshs kai asfaleias, me thn toyrkikh pleyra, qa einai se epipedo empeirognwmonwn, yphresiakwn paragontwn (eite toy ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas, eite toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, eite kai twn dyo) kai qa pragmatopoihqei piqanotata thn epomenh ebdomada, xwris na einai akomh gnwstos o topos pragmatopoihshs ths.

Opws gnwrizete, o G.G. toy OHE Kofi Anan qa erqei sthn Aqhna, stis 25/2, proerxomenos apo thn Agkyra. Sth synexeia, meta th synanthsh toy me ton Prwqypoyrgo, qa metabei sthn Kypro. H synanthsh qa ginei se yphresiako epipedo (profanws qa einai anwtera stelexh twn ypoyrgeiwn Ejwterikwn kai Eqnikhs Amynas) kai h diadikasia entassetai sto plaisio toy OHE.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis.

MIXAHL: Eipate oti apo thn plhroforhsh poy exei h kybernhsh, toso apo to EKAB, oso kai apo to ypoyrgeio Ygeias, eixan ginei oloi oi aparaithtoi texnikoi elegxoi kai oti yphrxe kai h analogh empeiria twn pilotwn. Pws ejhgeite tote to gegonos oti mesa se tria xronia exoyme tria dystyxhmata me elikoptera toy EKAB kai malista kai ta tria eginan nyxta...;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai aytonohto oti h nyxta dhmioyrgei megalytero baqmo epikindynothtas. Eixe epilhfqei eidikh Epitroph kai gia ta dyo prohgoymena dystyxhmata. Profanws, qa epilhfqei kai gia to trito. To eidiko Swma poy exei dhmioyrghqei, exei ekdwsei porisma gia to prwto dystyxhma. To porisma gia to deytero einai sth fash ths ekdoshs. Einai poly syntomos o xronos ths ekdoshs toy. Kai asfalws qa mas dinei mia plhrh eikona gia ta aitia toy dystyxhmatos. H idia doyleia qa ginei kai gia to trito dystyxhma. O k. Stefanhs exei dwsei entolh gia epiprosqeth ereyna gyrw apo kaqe zhthma poy syndeetai me to EKAB, thn proetoimasia kai to idio gegonos. Giati, akoysa polla shmera to prwi gia to an qa eprepe na paei h oxi. Gia ola ayta qa ginei eidikh dioikhtikh ejetash.

MIXAHL: To gegonos, omws, paramenei (kai pisteyw kai eseis na to anagnwrizete) oti yparxoyn tria dystyxhmata aytwn twn elikopterwn. Mhpws, loipon, h kybernhsh skeftetai na allajei h sto mellon na dei alloy typoy elikoptera...

PRWTOPAPAS: H idia syzhthsh eixe ginei kai sta dyo prohgoymena dystyxhmata. Plhroforoymai apo toys armodioys kratikoys foreis oti to qema ayto exei ereynhqei kai oti, en pash periptwsei, ayta ta elikoptera einai ekeina poy xrhsimopoioyntai se aytes tis periptwseis kai malista einai apo ta kalytera poy yparxoyn.

IWANNOY: Eipate oti o ypoyrgos Ygeias exei dwsei entolh gia ereyna, oson afora tis synqhkes me tis opoies leitoyrgei to EKAB se aytes tis periptwseis.

PRWTOPAPAS: Akoysthke, gia paradeigma, to prwi to erwthma ean to elikoptero eprepe na paei h oxi. Yparxei mia seira me paromoia erwthmata. Gia thn apanthsh se ola ayta, o k. Stefanhs exei dwsei entolh gia eidikh dioikhtikh ejetash.

IWANNOY: Ektos apo ayta poy eipate, akoysame to prwi kai gia tis synqhkes katw apo tis opoies doyleyoyn oi xeiristes twn elikopterwn, kaqws kai erwthmata an qa prepei na ginontai pthseis to brady, gia tis wres, gia th misqodosia twn xeiristwn k.t.l. Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean eixe ginei tis prohgoymenes fores ereyna gyrw apo tis synqhkes me tis opoies leitoyrgei to EKAB.

PRWTOPAPAS: To EKAB leitoyrgei me tis pio sygxrones synqhkes kai malista exei kanei kai symbash me jenh etairia gia na yparxei kalyterh texnikh yposthrijh twn elikopterwn. Den einai eykairia twra na syzhthsoyme gyrw apo ta qemata misqodosias twn xeiristwn. Pisteyw oti prepei na baloyme ta pragmata sth qesh toys. Exoyme ena dystyxhma. Akomh den exoyn oloklhrwqei oi ereynes. Yparxei anejarthth arxh, h opoia qa dialeykanei plhrws ta aitia toy. Sas eipa oti to porisma gia to prwto atyxhma exei ekdoqei kai to deytero brisketai sth fash ths ekdoshs. Sas eipa, epishs, oti apo thn ereyna poy egine to prwi, diapistwqhke oti to sygkekrimeno elikoptero eixe perasei prin apo enamisi mhna apo texniko elegxo, eixe pilotoys ayjhmenhs empeirias me polles xiliades wres pthshs sto energhtiko toys kai epipleon eixe kai plwthres. Den mporw, ayth th stigmh, na pw ean to dystyxhma ofeiletai sthn a@ h sth b@ aitia. Ayto qa diapistwqei. Na eiste bebaioi oti qa ginei ayth h ereyna. Pera apo ayth -opws sas eipa- o k. Stefanhs dietaje kai peraiterw ereyna gia mia seira qemata poy syndeontai me th leitoyrgia toy EKAB.

FILHS: Yparxei kapoio sxolio ths kybernhshs h ths Ellhnikhs Proedrias sxetika me thn koinh dhlwsh ths Gallias, ths Germanias kai ths Rwsias gia ton polemo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti h Ellhnikh Proedria, apo thn prwth wra, htan safhs, ypogrammizontas oti yparxei kai eirhnikos tropos na lyqei h diafora sto Irak, oti o polemos den einai monodromos. Antiqetws, malista, mporei na odhghsei se epikindyna adiejoda. Kai epeidh den arkei na les mono kati, alla kai na pratteis analoga, exoyme parei seira prwtoboyliwn sthn kateyqynsh mias eniaias stashs ths E.E. kai mias eniaias parembashs ths stis ejelijeis. Arxika, h parembash ayth edeije oti apodidei me thn apofash toy Symboylioy Genikwn Ypoqesewn stis 27 Ianoyarioy. Yphrje, sth synexeia, to gnwsto qema ths dhlwshs twn "8". Den sas krycame oti ayth h dhlwsh den synebale sthn eikona ths Eyrwphs gia thn apofasistikh eniaia stash poy prepei na exei. Yphrje kai dhlwsh toy Proedreyontos toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy K. Shmith gyrw apo ayto. Yparxei kai nea prwtoboylia ths Ellhnikhs Proedrias poy ekdhlwnetai me th synanthsh ths Deyteras stis Bryjelles. Ara, loipon, xrhsimes einai oles oi prwtoboylies, oles oi dhlwseis poy exoyn ginei, h ekfrash olwn twn anhsyxiwn. To qema, omws, einai ti kanoyme emeis. Emeis prajame, symfwna me to kaqhkon mas kai to pisteyw mas. Twra, einai h wra na topoqethqoyn oloi. Ayto einai to mhnyma poy prepei na dwsoyme enocei ths Deyteras. Emeis, ws Proedria, prepei na prospaqhsoyme na synqesoyme. Qa meinoyme, loipon, se ayth th grammh, giati einai anagkh -kai einai kai baqy pisteyw mas ayto- h Eyrwph na meinei, me eniaia stash, se mia tetoia krisimh periodo.

FILHS: H prwtoboylia ths Gallias, ths Germanias kai ths Rwsias bohqa sth grammh ths ellhnikhs Proedrias gia thn eniaia ekfrash ths E.E sto qema toy polemoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Molis prin ejhghsa giati akoloyqoyme ayth th stash ws Proedria.

FILHS: Ws ellhnikh kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: H ellhnikh Proedria analambanei prwtoboylies kai prospaqei gia thn eniaia stash ths Eyrwphs sto qema ths eirhnhs. Epitrecte moy na meinw se ayto.

FILHS: Sto qema ths eniaias stashs ths E.E., xqes kai shmera yparxei mia amfisbhthsh, ean to NATO qa prepei na energopoihsei to arqro 5, poy problepei thn epiqesh poy dexetai melos toy NATO, gia th syndromh pros thn Toyrkia. H Toyrkia, kata th gnwmh sas dexetai epiqesh apo kapoia xwra h einai apo toys epitiqemenoys ean labei meros sthn amerikanikh epiqesh kata toy Irak. Giati lete oti symfwneite me thn energopoihsh twn sygkekrimenwn aytwn arqrwn; To arqro 4 einai to prooimio toy arqroy 5.

PRWTOPAPAS: Alla h syzhthsh gia to arqro 4 exei shmasia.

FILHS: Exei shmasia. Alla ean jekleidwsoyme to 4, jekleidwnoyme kai to 5 meta.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai etsi. Ginetai syzhthsh gia to arqro 4. To arqro 5 epetai, alla prosexoyme kala tis kinhseis mas kai gnwrizoyme thn allhloyxia aytwn twn diadikasiwn. Yparxei ena qema poy mas endiaferei poly. Einai h kinhsh toy NATO se periptwsh poy antimetwpizei kindyno h apeilh mia xwra-melos toy kai epikaleitai ton kindyno ayto. Katalabainete oti gia logoys eqnikoy symferontos, apo th stigmh poy ena kratos-melos toy NATO epikaleitai th diadikasia toy arqroy 4 emeis den qa eprepe na exoyme antirrhsh. Den afora ayto th strathgikh toy polemoy h ths eirhnhs. Einai dyo diaforetika pragmata. Ginetai prospaqeia na breqei mia eirhneytikh diadikasia gia to Irak. Se ayth thn prospaqeia prwtostatei h ellhnikh Proedria me seira kinhsewn, toso toy Prwqypoyrgoy, oso kai toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn. Anejarthta, omws, apo ayto, einai gnwsto oti yparxei apeilh polemoy apo tis HPA kata toy Irak. To exei pei anoikta o Proedros Mpoys. Se ayth thn periptwsh mia xwra-melos toy NATO, leei oti edw yparxei kindynos polemoy kai egw mporei na exw problhmata, mporei na dexqw epiqeseis kai epikaloymai to sxetiko arqro apo to katastatiko ths Symmaxias. Ayth th stigmh, h diamaxh exei kai ena diadikastiko xarakthra. Eidika gia thn Ellada, yparxoyn para polloi logoi, toys opoioys katalabainete, poy den qa eprepe na pei oxi se mia tetoia diadikastikh kinhsh.

FILHS: H kinhsh einai politikh. Ws Proedria den lete tipota, ws kybernhsh lete yper twn Amerikanwn...

PRWTOPAPAS: Ta sxolia mporeite na ta kanete sthn efhmerida sas.

FILHS: H erwthsh einai safhs: H Toyrkia einai epitiqemenh h dexetai epiqesh sto qema toy Irak; Giati energopoioyntai ta arqra 4 kai 5, kata synepeia;

PRWTOPAPAS: H Toyrkia epikaleitai kindyno epiqeshs apo to Irak. Yposthrizei oti, ean epiteqoyn oi Amerikanoi h opoiosdhpote allos sto Irak, yparxei periptwsh to Irak na antidrasei kai na xtyphsei mia xwra poy qewreitai symmaxos twn HPA. Ayth einai ypoqesh ergasias ths Toyrkias. Kai enocei aytoy, zhta thn energopoihsh toy arqroy 4, to opoio milaei gia enarjh diaboyleysewn, gi` ayta ta zhthmata. Symfwna me to katastatiko ths Symmaxias, ean kapoios epikalestei kindyno epiqeshs enantion toy, prepei na energopoihqei to arqro 4.

FILHS: Ean ginei apodekto;

PRWTOPAPAS: Prepei o idios na epikaleitai kindyno epiqeshs se baros toy kai tote prepei na kinhqei h diadikasia toy arqroy 4. H Ellada, pera apo ta diadikastika zhthmata poy exoyn anakycei, exei kai enan epipleon logo, ton opoio katalabainete. H Ellada, kat` epanalhch, exei dhmioyrghsei qema me to gegonos oti den exoyn kinhqei oi diadikasies toy NATO, otan qewrei h idia oti kindyneyei na dexqei epiqesh. Ara, praktika, ayth th stigmh, h Ellada, den exei kanena logo na mhn pei sthn Toyrkia, oti ean ektimas oti qa dexqeis epiqesh, se ayth thn periptwsh na kinhsoyme th diadikasia ths diaboyleyshs poy problepei to arqro 4. Katalabainete oti ayto dhmioyrgei kai ena prohgoymeno, to opoio gia thn Ellada qa einai qetiko.

FILHS: Pisteyete oti ayth h kinhsh ths Elladas, qa exei thn eniaia ekfrash ths E.E. sto qema toy polemoy, otan alles xwres ektimoyn to antiqeto;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ti doyleia exei to qema toy polemoy me to qema ths epiklhshs, ek meroys meloys toy NATO, toy katastatikoy ths Symmaxias. Einai dyo teleiws diaforetika zhthmata. Den shmainei oti symfwneis oti qa ginei polemos, opws den to kanoyn kai alles xwres-melh toy NATO. Den symfwnoyn me ton polemo, alla lene oti ean ena melos toy NATO qewrhsei oti se periptwsh epiqeshs, gia paradeigma, twn HPA, h Toyrkia qa kindyneysei, ofeiloyme na kinhsoyme tis diadikasies poy problepei to katastatiko ths Symmaxias, poy einai amyntikes kai oxi epiqetikes diadikasies. Praktika, epomenws, eimaste enantion toy polemoy kai paleyoyme sto plaisio ths Dieqnoys Koinothtas, eite to Symboylioy Asfaleias toy OHE, eite ths E.E., gia na apofasisei h Dieqnhs Koinothta eirhneytikh diadikasia. Ean, omws, den apofasistei ayth h eirhneytikh diadikasia kai oi HPA me kapoioys symmaxoys apofasisoyn na epiteqoyn sto Irak, aytomatws eimaste ypoxrewmenoi na kinhsoyme tis diadikasies gia thn perifroyrhsh ths Toyrkias, apo epiqesh eis baros ths.

FILHS: Ma, h Toyrkia einai epitiqemenh.

PRWTOPAPAS: H Toyrkia den dhlwnei oti einai epitiqemenh.

FILHS: Den dexqhke th dieleysh Amerikanwn stratiwtwn apo ekei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas qymizw oti h toyrkikh kybernhsh, den exei taxqei yper toy polemoy. Sas parakalw na enhmerwqeite gia tis dhlwseis ths toyrkikhs kybernhshs.

FILHS: Gnwrizoyme kala kai ti leei kai ti prattei h Toyrkia. To erwthma einai h Ellada ti kanei;

PRWTOPAPAS: H toyrkikh kybernhsh exei pei oti protima na breqei eirhnikos tropos epilyshs ths diaforas. H Toyrkia den einai apo tis xwres poy exoyn taxqei yper toy polemoy.

FILHS: Kai prosferei gh kai ydwr stoys Amerikanoys gia na kanoyn epiqesh.

PRWTOPAPAS: H Toyrkia, ayth th stigmh, toylaxiston me epishmes dhlwseis ths kybernhshs ths, den qewreitai ws epitiqemenh. Ayto einai gegonos poy to gnwrizete poly kala. Antipoliteysh den ginetai etsi. H Toyrkia, ws kybernhsh, exei pei oti einai yper ths eirhnhs. Apo kei kai pera, dhlwnei oti mporei na dexqei epiqesh apo to Irak. Ayto den exei na kanei me thn epilogh polemos h eirhnh. Opws kanoyn kai polles alles xwres. H Ellada einai yper ths eirhnhs. Exoyme kanei emprakta kinhseis pros ayth thn kateyqynsh kai den menoyme sta logia. Otan mia xwra-melos toy NATO epikaleitai to katastatiko ths Symmaxias kai leei oti prepei na energopoihqei -kai emeis to leme prwtoi ayto- den prepei emeis na eimaste aytoi poy to mplokaroyn. Einai apo ta zhthmata poy qa broyme mprosta mas.

FILHS: Yparxei politiko asymbibasto gia ypoyrgoys poy einai melh toy E.G. toy PASOK na symmetasxoyn sthn kinhtopoihsh toy Sabbatoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: H kinhtopoihsh toy Sabbatoy einai gnwsto oti ginetai apo tis mazikes koinwnikes organwseis. H kybernhsh den mporei na parembainei stis kinhtopoihseis aytes. H kybernhsh askei thn politikh ths kai analambanei prwtoboylies, poy einai shmantikes. To PASOK, me dhlwseis toy Grammatea toy, exei zhthsei apo ta melh kai toys opadoys toy na symmetasxoyn stis kinhtopoihseis, me to sygkekrimeno plaisio, poy dinoyn oi mazikes koinwnikes organwseis. Einai ena plaisio sthn eyryterh optikh kai strathgikh mas. Den parembainoyme sto ergo twn organwsewn. Den amfisbhtoyme thn aytonomia kai tis apofaseis toys. Zhthsame apo ta melh, ws komma, bebaiws, na symmetasxoyn stis mazikes kinhtopoihseis.

Me thn eykairia, omws, qelw na sxoliasw th stash ths N.D, h opoia gia mia akoma fora akoloyqei th gnwsth taktikh toy Pontioy Pilatoy. Ws neos Pontios Pilatos, loipon, h N.D. dinei ws qesh ths kai ws apofash twn organwn ths oti kalei ta melh kai toys filoys ths na prajoyn kata syneidhsh. Toylaxiston ayto akoysa apo to Grammatea ths N.D. Ti paei na pei na prajoyn kata syneidhsh; Einai yper h kata toy polemoy h N.D.; Einai yper h kata ths epapeiloymenhs amerikanikhs parembashs; Einai yper twn fileirhnikwn prwtoboyliwn kai ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, ws proedreyoysas, h kata; Einai yper ths eniaias stashs ths Eyrwphs h kata; Den mporei na eimaste kai me to lhsth kai me to xwrofylaka. Kapoia stigmh h N.D prepei na apofasisei ti qelei, ti pisteyei kai poia einai h qesh ths sta krisima politika dieqnh zhthmata, as mpei, epiteloys, ston kopo na mas thn pei. As mhn krybetai pisw apo to daxtylo ths. As mhn perimenei na egerqoyn nees dyskolies apo th stash orismenwn kratwn-melwn ths E.E. gia na bgei na emfanistei ws meta Xristo profhths kai na kanei mia dhqen kritikh poy to mono poy petyxainei einai na thn ekqetei perissotero. Einai wra h N.D. na analabei tis eyqynes ths kai na pei poia einai h qesh ths panw se ayto to zhthma.

FILHS: Gia toys ypoyrgoys toy PASOK den mas eipate. Allh htan h erwthsh, ean oi ypoyrgoi h stelexh toy PASOK.

PRWTOPAPAS: Hmoyn safhs. Ean kapoia apanthsh moy den sas ikanopoiei, na gracete sthn efhmerida sas oti den sas ikanopoiei h apanthsh moy.

FILHS: Epeidh, mia amerikanikh efhmerida qewrei kalo ton k. Papandreoy kai kako ton k. Laliwth, gi` ayto rwtw.

PRWTOPAPAS: Olh ayth h taktikh, ean ayto perimenete na sas apanthsw, exei syzhthqei sto plaisio toy Kinhmatos kai exoyme synapofasisei.

KOYIN: Se periptwsh poy arqoyn oi enstaseis poy yparxoyn ayth th stigmh sto NATO gia thn epikaloymenh apeilh enantion ths Toyrkias, qa htan diateqeimenh h Ellada na steilei amyntiko ejoplismo sth geitona xwra;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, den yparxei tetoio qema.

KOYIN: Kai mia erwthsh se allo qema: Yphrxe plhrhs omofwnia sthn atzenta, poy proteine h Ellada gia thn atyph synanthsh ths Deyteras; Yphrxan kaqoloy enstaseis apo alles xwres;

PRWTOPAPAS: Me arketes syzhthseis, yphrje telikws apodoxh, xqes poly arga to brady.

IWANNOY: Ti prosdoka, ti anamenei h ellhnikh Kybernhsh apo th synanthsh ths Deyteras, dedomenoy oti - opws eipate ki eseis- o Amerikanos Proedros sxedon exei labei thn apofash toy; Prosdokate mia aplh katagrafh ths arnhshs s' ayto ton polemo h ean kai efoson xreiastei kai mia kata metwpo sygkroysh me tis HPA, me o,ti ayto bebaia synepagetai kai gia tis sxeseis mas;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi. Emeis den exoyme epilejei mia taktikh sygkroyshs me tis HPA. @Exoyme epilejei thn taktikh na peisoyme th Dieqnh Koinothta na brei eirhniko tropo epilyshs toy problhmatos sto Irak. Einai qetikh h drash mas. Einai yper apocewn, yper idewn, yper ths eirhnhs. Den strefetai kata allwn xwrwn. Pros Qeoy! Antilambaneste bebaia oti th Deytera qa yparjoyn dyskolies. Sthn Eyrwph yparxoyn diaforetikes apoceis. Gi' ayto ginontai oi syzhthseis: Gia na proseggistei to problhma, na syzhthqei, n' anaptyxqoyn oi apoceis kai me tis parembaseis ths Proedrias na katablhqoyn prospaqeies gia na breqoyn lyseis. @Estw ki an aytes oi lyseis einai symbibastikes, alla safws mesa sto plaisio poy qeloyme. Sto plaisio ths yperaspishs ths eirhnhs, me eniaia stash ths E.E. Den mporw na problecw poia qa einai h ejelijh. To mono gia to opoio mporw na sas diabebaiwsw -giati ayth einai h baqia mas pisth- einai oti qa yparjei h prospaqeia ths Proedrias. Kai megalh prospaqeia.

ALEJAKHS: Fobatai h Proedria, se periptwsh diafwniwn na baqynei to rhgma mesa stoys kolpoys ths E.E., kaqws sto prosfato parelqon kybernhtika xeilh eixan pei "an einai na diafwnhsoyme, kalytera na mh synanthqoyme";

PRWTOPAPAS: Gi' ayto kai den dinoyme typiko xarakthra sth synodo. Giati an diname typiko xarakthra kai yphrxe diafwnia, qa yphrxe kai h synakoloyqh entash. Dinoyme xarakthra mias atyphs syzhthshs, mias syzhthshs koryfhs poy stoxo exei na ejeyrei th dynatothta koinwn topwn. Sthn telikh analysh, o kaqenas krinetai. Emeis phrame thn prwtoboylia mas kai leme kaqara thn apoch mas. O kaqenas krinetai gi' ayto. Oi laoi krinoyn.

ALEJAKHS: O rolos twn deka xwrwn, me tis opoies qa exei synanthsh o Prwqypoyrgos kai proedreywn thn epomenh hmera, poios qa einai kata th diarkeia ayths ths diaboyleyshs; Qa toys protaqei @..

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa toys protaqei - ean exoyme katalhjei h an diafainetai dynatothta symperasmatwn- na prosxwrhsoyn sto symperasma ayto. Einai safes.

ALEJAKHS: Aplh enhmerwsh qa toys ginei dhladh.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi. Pera apo thn enhmerwsh kai th syzhthsh - den mporeis na mh syzhthseis kai m' aytoys- qa toys protaqei, ean exoyn katalhjei oi "15" th Deytera to brady, na prosxwrhsoyn sthn katalhjh twn "15".

ALEJAKHS: Qa yparjoyn kai ekproswpoi toy Arabikoy Syndesmoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ej oswn gnwrizw, twn ypo entajh xwrwn.

BASILOPOYLOS: Qa yparjoyn kat' idian epafes toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai Proedreyontos toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy me alloys hgetes prin apo th Synodo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den apokleietai. Ayto den mporei na apokleistei, kaqws o Prwqypoyrgos einai Proedreywn toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy kai einai kaqhkon toy.

BASILOPOYLOS: Exei hdh milhsei o Prwqypoyrgos me arxhgoys kratwn kai prwqypoyrgoys - pera apo ton k. Srenter- sxetika me to poy qa mporoyse na odhghsei h syzhthsh th Deytera;

PRWTOPAPAS: @Exei milhsei me polloys gia to qema ths eniaias stashs ths Eyrwphs. Sas eixa enhmerwsei thn perasmenh bdomada gia tis syzhthseis toy me toys kyrioys Mpler, Mperloyskoni kai Mparozo. Sas enhmerwsa gia th syzhthsh me ton k. Srenter kai ton Belgo Prwqypoyrgo, xqes. Nai, qa milhsei kai me alloys. Kai yparxei periptwsh stis Bryjelles, prin apo thn epishmh enarjh twn syzhthsewn na yparjoyn tetoies synanthseis. Den mporw na to apokleisw. Einai Proedreywn toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy kai einai kaqhkon toy.

BASILOPOYLOS: Me bash thn epikoinwnia poy eixe me ton k. Srenter, h protash twn Germanwn, Gallwn kai Rwswn, etsi opws ejelixqhke xqes to apogeyma, qa syzhthqei s' ayth th synanthsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai mia syzhthsh opoy ola briskontai sto trapezi. Oles oi protaseis qa syzhthqoyn, oles oi apoceis qa akoystoyn. Kai mporei na diamorfwqei kai kainoyrgia protash. Den mporw na to apokleisw.

KALARITHS: O Toyrkos ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, o k. Giakis, exei dhlwsei dhmosiws oti toyrkika strateymata qa eisbaloyn sto Irak, prokeimenoy n' antimetwpisoyn endexomeno kyma prosfygwn. Ayth th stigmh, briskontai se ejelijh oi diapragmateyseis HPA kai Toyrkwn strathgwn, gia th symmetoxh toys ston polemo sto Irak. Sygkekrimena, zhtoyn oi Amerikanoi na eisbaloyn toyrkika strateymata. Ean ayto isxysei, qa anaqewrhsei h ellhnikh kybernhsh thn apoch ths peri amyntikhs syndromhs sthn Toyrkia, giati den qa einai pleon amynomenh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Mhn miloyme twra sth diadikasia ypoqetikwn erwthsewn.

KALARITHS: Oxi ypoqetika. To dhlwse o k. Giakis, kaqoloy ypoqetiko.

PRWTOPAPAS: "An ginei" kai "an ftasei". H kaqe kinhsh krinetai sto xroniko diasthma poy tiqetai. Kai symfwna me toys Germanoys h toys Galloys an ginei polemos qa kalyfqei h Toyrkia. Den eipan oxi s' ayto. Qelw na sas qymisw oti Germanoi kai Galloi diadikastika staqhkan sto qema. Den arnhqhkan, epi ths oysias, thn kalych ths Toyrkias. Xronika, gyrw apo to timing htan h diafwnia, anejarthta an ojynqhke h syzhthsh gia logoys eyrytera politikoys. Den arnhqhkan thn oysia ths thrhshs toy katastatikoy ths Symmaxias.

KALARITHS: Tote h antifash poy paroysiazei h ellhnikh Proedria, den einai qema timing. Apo th mia leme oti qa prepei na energopoihqei to arqro 4 gia amyntikh syndromh, gia thn amyntikh kalych ths Toyrkias apo thn allh omws@.

PRWTOPAPAS: S' ayth th fash poy briskomaste.

KALARITHS: Dhladh, an mpoyne meta oi Toyrkoi mesa qa zhthsoyme anairesh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Me sygxwreite, mporw n' apanthsw se ypoqetikes erwthseis; Ki an ayrio den ginei polemos; Den qa energopoihqei to arqro 4. Me to "an" qa syzhthsoyme gia thn ejwterikh politikh h qa antimetwpisoyme ta problhmata poy exoyme mprosta mas; Qa syzhthsoyme me to oti mprosta mas ayth th stigmh exoyme ena sygkekrimeno problhma, toylaxiston otan jekinhse h syzhthsh. To problhma poy eixame einai oti h Toyrkia epikalesthke amyntikoys logoys.

KALARITHS: O Toyrkos ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn to dhlwse dhmosia oti qa mpoyne mesa. Ayto eipe.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den eipe etsi. Diabaste kala th dhlwsh. Den ginetai ejwterikh politikh stis Dieqneis Symmaxies me to "ean". Kai "ean allajei" kai "ean symbei kati kainoyrgio". Ean symbei kati kainoyrgio, qa topoqethqoyme sto kainoyrgio. @Idia einai h topoqethsh mas shmera, idia qa einai ean, epi paradeigmati, ayrio erqei kapoios kai peisei to Symboylio Asfaleias toy OHE gia kapoio logo poy egw de gnwrizw shmera; Oxi, bebaia. Perimename, opws jerete, na synedriasei to Symboylio Asfaleias toy OHE. Kai den to perimename mono emeis. To perimenan kai oi Rwsoi kai oi Kinezoi kai oi Galloi. Otan egine to Symboylio Asfaleias toy OHE, dhlwsan oti den peisthkan. Kai ayth h dhlwsh htan pio isxyrh.

KOYIN: Na epistrecw se mia thlefwnikh synomilia poy eixe o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn xqes, me toys kyrioys Mplij kai Mparantei. Symmerizetai h Kybernhsh thn apoch poy ejefrase o ypoyrgos meta, oti diafainetai kapoio fws ston orizonta meta thn episkech toys ekei; Ki an ayto sxetizetai kata kapoion tropo, me thn apofash poy phre h Ellada na sygkalesei ayth thn atyph synanthsh, th Deytera.

PRWTOPAPAS: @Opws antilambaneste ta panta lambanoyme ypoch. Prosejame, opws eidate kai afhsame na ginei prwta to Symboylio Asfaleias toy OHE, dioti yphrxe h epiklhsh apo orismenes xwres oti qa paroysiastoyn atrantaxta stoixeia kai dioti oi epiqewrhtes toy OHE elegan oti "qeloyme na synexisoyme th doyleia mas". Oso qeloyn na synexisoyn th doyleia toys h oso kapoioi miloyn gia atrantaxta stoixeia - miloysan toylaxiston - eprepe na exoyme ypomonh gia merikes meres. Yphrje mia diapistwsh sto Symboylio Asfaleias oti den yparxei katalhjh, ena to kratoymeno. Kai yparxei kai ena deytero kratoymeno, oti o k. Mplij me ton k. Mparantei lene oti den exoyn peisqei. Kai malista yphrjan kai anafores gyrw apo th synergasia ths kybernhshs toy Irak me toys epiqewrhtes toy OHE. Ayto den htan kainoyrgio stoixeio poy to ajiologoyme; Safws to ajiologoyme, an me rwtate. Kai to ajiologoyme qetika.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Hqela na rwthsw, poses xwres ths E.E. exoyn epishmws dexqei oti qa symmetasxoyn sth synanthsh ths Deyteras;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayth th stigmh poy syzhtame, oles.

Sas eyxaristw.

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