Greek Government Press Briefing, 03-01-29

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 29 Ianoyarioy 2003

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

O Prwqypoyrgos eixe shmantikes thlefwnikes epafes me toys Prwqypoyrgoys toy Hnwmenoy Basileioy Tony Mpler kai ths Italias Silbio Mperloyskoni, kata th diarkeia twn opoiwn syzhthqhkan qemata poy syndeontai me thn koinh stash ths E.E., sthn ypoqesh toy Irak, enocei bebaiws ths sxetikhs synedriashs toy Symboylioy Asfaleias toy OHE. Anthllaghsan apoceis kai ayto exei idiaiterh shmasia, dioti -opws gnwrizete- prokeitai entos twn epomenwn hmerwn, toso o k. Mperloyskoni, oso kai o k. Mpler, na exoyn synanthseis me ton Proedro twn HPA Tzortz Mpoys, kata tis opoies qa syzhthqoyn kai ta qemata poy syndeontai me thn krish sto Irak.

Prokeitai gia epafes toy Prwqypoyrgoy, poy aforoyn thn prowqhsh ths prospaqeias poy kataballei h ellhnikh Proedria sthn E.E. gia th diamorfwsh mias koinhs stashs kai koinwn prwtoboyliwn, sthn kateyqynsh ths politikhs epilyshs toy problhmatos me to Irak, xwris na xreiastei na katafygoyme se polemikes epixeirhseis.

Qelw na qymisw oti h prwtoboylia toy Prwqypoyrgoy erxetai se synexeia ths xqesinhs idiaiterhs epityxias ths ellhnikhs Proedrias, ths ekdoshs koinhs apofashs toy Symboylioy Genikwn Ypoqesewn, me thn opoia didetai h genikh kateyqynsh na enisxyqoyn oi prospaqeies gia thn politikh dieyqethsh toy problhmatos me to Irak kai na odhghqoyme me eirhnika mesa ston afoplismo toy.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, se aytes tis epafes teqhke apo toys synomilhtes toy h apo ton idio ton k. Shmith qema ektakths Synodoy Koryfhs gia to Irak;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exei teqei tetoio qema mexri stigmhs.

MIXAHL: Xqes, mas anakoinwsate oti o k. Shmiths arxizei ayton ton kyklo thlefwnikwn epafwn me Eyrwpaioys omologoys toy, alla kai me toys hgetes twn xwrwn toy Symboylioy Asfaleias. Me ton k. Mpoys pote exei programmatistei, ean qa ginei;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exei programmatistei kati. O k. Shmiths, ws proedros toy Symboylioy Koryfhs ths E.E. exei synexeis epafes kai analambanei synexws prwtoboylies, poy exoyn sxesh me th stash ths E.E. apenanti se megala dieqnh zhthmata, opws einai ayto toy Irak. Epomenws, qa exoyme synexws epafes kai prwtoboylies.

MIXAHL: Den einai logiko, loipon, o Proedros toy Symboylioy Koryfhs, en prokeimenw, o k. Shmiths, den einai logiko na synomilhsei.....

PRWTOPAPAS: Apolyta. Eipa oti qa yparxoyn synexeis epafes kai prwtoboylies.

MIXAHL: Ara, kai me ton k. Mpoys.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa yparxoyn synexeis epafes kai prwtoboylies, gia tis opoies qa enhmerwneste taktika.

TAKHS: To xqesino deipno toy prwqypoyrgikoy zeygoys me to zeygos Aggelopoyloy htan mono ekdhlwsh filikwn aisqhmatwn amfoterwn twn pleyrwn h perielambane kai alla, dhladh syzhthseis gia qemata poy apasxoloyn thn epikairothta;

PRWTOPAPAS: Prepei na ektimoyme orismena zhthmata. Einai safes oti eprokeito kaqara gia koinwnikh synanastrofh. Kai qa hqela na parakalesw, me thn eykairia ayth, na deixnoyn ton anagkaio sebasmo oi staqmoi sas, opws parakalesa kai xqes, dioti einai logiko, kaqe anqrwpos, akoma kai an aytos einai o Prwqypoyrgos, na qelei na exei thn alfa h th bhta koinwnikh synanastrofh me opoion epilegei. Den nomizw oti prepei na ta ermhneyoyme ola me politikoys oroys.

IWANNOY: To rwtame giati den ekanan parea mexri twra...

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai orismena qemata poy prepei na ta sebomaste.

TAKHS: Afhste oti kapoioi synadelfoi sas mas elegan xqes oti to PASOK eixe epibalei prostimo sth Xalyboyrgikh....

PRWTOPAPAS: Den katalabainw ti sxesh exei ayto. Otan h kybernhsh prepei na epibalei prostima, ta epiballei. Oi nomoi throyntai kai pantote prepei na throyntai oi nomoi. Apo kei kai pera, einai teleiws diaforetiko na yparxei mia koinwnikh synanastrofh. Den katalabainw, poio einai to qema. Geymata kai deipna ginontai panta kai einai logiko na ginontai.

IWANNOY: Qa analabei h kybernhsh kapoia prwtoboylia gia na parei epiteloys o tews ta xrhmata toy; Giati blepoyme oti shmera proekycan kapoia alla zhthmata me to TEBE.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na toy eyxhqw na analabei oles tis anagkaies prwtoboylies, prokeimenoy na jeperasei ta problhmata kai na parei ta xrhmata toy. Den eimaste emeis ekeinoi poy ton empodizoyme.

TAKHS: Dhlwse ws epaggelma, ekmetalleysh dasikwn proiontwn.

PRWTOPAPAS: Thn kybernhsh den thn apasxolei o tews, oyte einai problhma gia th xwra mas. O,ti ekkremothtes eixame tis jekaqarisame me thn apofash toy dikasthrioy. Apo ekei kai pera, mporei na apasxolei tis kosmikes sthles, den apasxolei omws thn kybernhsh.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Sthn epikoinwnia poy eixe o k. Shmiths me toys k. Mpler kai Mperloyskoni, yphrje kapoio apotelesma; Dhladh, kaqoristhke kapoia koinh stash h aplws syzhthqhke to qema;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti stis epafes aytoy toy epipedoy antallassontai apoceis kai ejagontai kapoia prwta symperasmata. Apo ekei kai pera, o kaqe prwqypoyrgos, sthn epafh toy me ton k. Mpoys, qa krathsei th dikh toy grammh, lambanontas bebaia ypoch osa syzhthqhkan.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Symfwna me dhmosieyma ths efhmeridas "TO BHMA", h amerikanikh pleyra epiqymei energoterh anamijh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, wste na diamorfwqei mia koinh stash.

PRWTOPAPAS: O Prwqypoyrgoys, oytws h allws, ws Proedros toy Symboylioy Koryfhs, analambanei synexws prwtoboylies, opws kai o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, poy proedreyei toy Symboylioy Genikwn Ypoqesewn. Epomenws, prwtoboylies yparxoyn, qa yparxoyn kai ayto ofeiloyn oloi na to katanohsoyn.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Exei ekdhlwqei sxetikh epiqymia apo thn Oyasigkton;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eite exei ekdhlwqei epiqymia apo thn Oyasigkton, eite oxi, oi prwtoboylies qa yparxoyn. Ean, loipon, oloi anagnwrizoyn aytes tis prwtoboylies, ayto einai idiaitera qetiko kai gia thn Ellada.

MPOTWNHS: Qelw na rwthsw, an o Prwqypoyrgos einai enoxlhmenos apo th xqesinh stash twn boyleytwn gia thn chfish toy asymbibastoy kai an prokeitai na teqei qema kommatikhs peiqarxias sthn Olomeleia.

PRWTOPAPAS: To qema toy asymbibastoy exei na kanei me to sebasmo twn qesmwn kai eidika toy Syntagmatos mas. To Syntagma, to opoio chfise h Boylh kai oxi h kybernhsh epiballei to plhres asymbibasto. O nomos poy exei katateqei apo thn kybernhsh sth Boylh, dia toy ypoyrgoy Eswterikwn, efarmozei to Syntagma. Einai ektelestikos nomos toy Syntagmatos kai kineitai aysthra sto plaisio twn syntagmatikwn epitagwn. Edw prepei na apofasisoyme: @H qa thrhqei to Syntagma h qa dhmioyrghqei mia aney prohgoymenoy arnhtikh katastash, h opoia den mporei na prosferei tipota perissotero apo to na apajiwsei ton politiko kosmo kai eidikotera to Koinoboylio kai toys boyleytes. H stash ths N.D., ayth h aoristh diadikastikologia, ayth h aperantologia twn ypeyqynwn ths, to mono poy "prosferei" oysiastika einai mia katastash poy apeilei na geloiopoihsei toys qesmoys, na apodynamwsei thn efarmogh toy Syntagmatos kai na dwsei mia idiaitera arnhtikh eikona sthn koinh gnwmh gia ton politiko kosmo. H stash ayth ths N.D. einai aneyqynh, aparadekth kai epikindynh. Einai mia stash poy, se telikh analysh, den dinei se kanena na katalabei ti akribws leei to komma ayto. H N.D. qelei -"nai" h "oxi"- thn efarmogh toy Syntagmatos; Ayto einai to erwthma. Telika, pantws den exei shmasia ean thn qelei h oxi, giati einai ypoxrewmenh na thn qelei. Sebetai -nai h oxi- to Syntagma kai toys qesmoys; Poia einai h qesh ths N.D. se sxesh me to nomo poy prepei na erqei gia thn efarmogh toy Syntagmatos; Ti akribws pisteyei h N.D.; Dioti, ektimw oti h aperantologia twn ekproswpwn ths, to mono poy ypokryptei, einai oti den mporoyn na symfwnhsoyn metajy toys, oti yparxoyn terasties diafores kai eswterikes antifaseis sto komma ayto kai xrhsimopoioyn mia aoristh, genikologh glwssa gia na "koykoylwsoyn" aytes tis diafores poy exoyn fqasei ston ypertato baqmo. Kai erwtw: Sto bwmo twn eswterikwn antifasewn kai diaforwn ths N.D. mporei kaneis na anexetai thn yponomeysh toy Syntagmatos kai amfisbhthsh twn qesmwn kai se telikh analysh th geloiopoihsh toy politikoy kosmoy; Emeis den qa to anexqoyme. Gi` ayto kai labame qesh epishma kai anoikta kai ws komma kai ws kybernhsh. Kai qa epimeinoyme sthn chfish toy sxetikoy nomoy apo thn Olomeleia ths Boylhs. Ayth einai h qesh toy PASOK, ayth einai h qesh ths kybernhshs mas. Den mporoyme na periorisoyme ton kaqe boyleyth, symfwna me th syntagmatikh epitagh na exei th dikh toy apoch.

IWANNOY: Ola ayta poy lete, kat` arxas qa prepei na isxyoyn gia toys dikoys sas boyleytes. Lete gia th N.D. Giati, oysiastika...

PRWTOPAPAS: Milw gia ta syntetagmena kommata.

IWANNOY: Bebaiws.. Alla, o ektelestikos nomos den chfisthke, epeidh den yphrxe kybernhtikh pleiochfia.

PRWTOPAPAS: To sxetiko nomosxedio, opws epitassei to Syntagma, den to fernei me dikh ths boylhsh h kybernhsh, den to chfise dhladh mono h kybernhtikh pleiochfia. To sxetiko arqro toy Syntagmatos chfisthke kai apo mia megalh merida boyleytwn ths N.D. kai o eishghths toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs k. Barbitsiwths, eixe prwtostathsei malista, me ton pio kaqeto tropo, sto plhres asymbibasto. Ayto to qymomaste para poly kala. Oloi aytoi, loipon, poy tote chfisan to plhres asymbibasto, shmera krybontai pisw apo to daktylo toys. Toys blepoyme na xrhsimopoioyn idiaitera sklhres ekfraseis. Lene aoristies kai genikologies. Den einai mono eyqynh ths kybernhtikhs pleiochfias na chfisei ena nomo, einai eyqynh kaqe boyleyth poy prepei na sebetai to Syntagma kai na to efarmozei prwtos , na dinei to kalo paradeigma. Na mh dhmioyrgei thn aisqhsh sthn koinh gnwmh oti dhqen oi boyleytes maxontai mono gia kapoia pronomia kai gia tis " doylitses" toys . O rolos toy boyleyth kai toy leitoyrghmatos toy einai allos . Den prepei na symballoyme sthn apajiwsh toy qesmoy.

ANTYPAS: Dieykrinistika: Den yparxei, dhladh, qema kommatikhs peiqarxias.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi. To qema einai ejoxws politiko kai politika to antimetwpizoyme.

TAKHS: Exete kati na mas peite gia th xqesinh polywrh kataqesh ths kas Latsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den qa ypokatasthsw th Dikaiosynh. Qa mporoysa na to kanw ayto; Einai adianohto.

MIXAHL: Xqes, sas eixa rwthsei, mhpws exete maqei, ean h Gallia exei zhthsei dieykolynseis se ellhnikes baseis. To erwthma moy paramenei.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei qema.

KOYTANTOY: Qa hqela na rwthsw poio einai to sxolio ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs kai proedreyoysas ths E..E, meta to xqesino diaggelma toy Proedroy Mpoys kai tis ekloges sto Israhl;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den nomizw oti prepei h ellhnikh Proedria h h ellhnikh kybernhsh na krinoyn thn topoqethsh toy k. Mpoys pros ton amerikaniko lao. Kati tetoio den nomizw oti qa htan swsto. Mporw, omws -kai nomizw oti ayto sas endiaferei- na epanelqw kai na zhthsw thn prosoxh sas sthn proxqesinh koinh qesh toy Symboylioy Genikwn Ypoqesewn ths E.E., poy stelnei mhnyma eirhnhs pros oloys, alla kai na prosqesw oti se ayth thn kateyqynsh qa epimeinoyme. Dioti, kata th gnwmh mas, yparxoyn panta oi oroi kai ola ta periqwria gia na yparjei mia politikh dieyqethsh sto qema toy afoplismoy toy Irak. Eimaste se mia idiaitera krisimh periodo, enocei kai twn epikeimenwn synedriasewn toy Symboylioy Asfaleias kai h Eyrwph prepei na exei koinh stash, koinh fwnh kai na lambanei prwtoboylies sthn kateyqynsh poy apaitoyn oi laoi ths, gia th diafylajh ths eirhnhs kai thn politikh dieyqethsh toy qematos toy afoplismoy toy Irak.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Poia einai h qesh ths kybernhsh enanti twn aitiasewn ths antipoliteyshs gia toys xeirismoys toy k. Lianh kai sygkekrimena gia to gegonos oti, ek twn ysterwn, dhmosiopoihse oti dexotan ekbiasmoys;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kat arxas, oydepote o k. Lianhs eipe gia ekbiasmoys. Meta apo epikoinwnia poy eixa me ton idio, topoqethqhka xqes gia to qema orismenwn symperiforwn kai apo tis dyo omades, epimenw ``kai apo tis dyo omades'' dioti me enhmerwse kai gia ton PAOK kai to tonizw epeidh eida shmera ena sxetiko dhmosieyma. Topoqethqhkame xqes kai to qema qewreitai lhjan. Moy dinete, omws, thn eykairia, me thn erwthsh sas, na epishmanw thn poly shmantikh shmerinh synenteyjh toy ypoyrgoy Politismoy Eyaggeloy Benizeloy kai toy armodioy gia ta qemata aqlhtismoy Giwrgoy Lianh, symfwna me thn opoia synexizetai, me idiaitera entono kai apotelesmatiko tropo, h prospaqeia ejygianshs, poy anaptyssoyme sto xwro toy podosfairoy kai genikotera gia to xwro toy aqlhtismoy.

Sas eyxaristw.

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