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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 10 Ioynioy 2002

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas kai kalh ebdomada.

Den exw to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy, shmera. Qa sas to dwsw ayrio. Einai gnwsto oti ayrio yparxei h episkech toy proedreyontos toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy Ispanoy Prwqypoyrgoy Xose Aqnar, gia qemata poy sxetizontai me th Synodo Koryfhs, metajy twn opoiwn, kai idiaitera flegonta gia th xwra mas.

Oson afora to qema me ton k. Aleko Papadopoylo, ws gnwston o Prwqypoyrgos kata th diarkeia ths synanthshs poy eixe shmera me ton ypoyrgo Ygeias, zhthse thn paraithsh toy ypoyrgoy. O Ypoyrgos thn ypebale, kata dhlwsh kai toy idioy kai dhlwse oti paramenei panta strateymenos sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada kai thn Kentrikh Epitroph toy Kinhmatos. O Prwqypoyrgos ejefrase ki aytos tis eyxaristies toy pros ton aperxomeno Ypoyrgo gia thn prosfora toy stoys tomeis ths oikonomias, ths dhmosias dioikhshs kai ths ygeias kai thn elpida oti h synergasia qa synexistei energa, apo tis qeseis toy k. Papadopoyloy sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada kai thn Kentrikh Epitroph toy PASOK.

To onoma toy neoy ypoyrgoy Ygeias qa anakoinwqei poly syntoma, elpizw shmera, alla epeidh ayth th stigmh prepei na ginoyn oi anagkaies kinhseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy, qa sas to anakoinwsoyme molis apofasisei o Prwqypoyrgos.

Parakalw, tis erwthseis sas.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Qa perimenoyme mono thn topoqethsh toy antikatastath toy k. Papadopoyloy h qa ginoyn kai kapoies genikoteres allages sthn kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, den qa yparjoyn genikoteres allages sthn kybernhsh. Ayto poy perimenoyme einai to onoma toy neoy ypoyrgoy Ygeias kai Pronoias.

KONTOPOYLOS: Oi yfypoyrgoi poy katerxontai ws ypochfioi Dhmarxoi qa antikatastaqoyn twra h qa yparjei se allo xrono h antikatastash toys;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gia toys Yfypoyrgoys poy katerxontai ws ypochfioi Dhmarxoi, yparxoyn oi prohgoymenes anakoinwseis mas, dhladh h antikatastash toys qa ginei -symfwna ejalloy kai me ta problepomena- se eyqetotero xrono.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Pws htan to klima sth synanthsh toy k. Shmith me ton k. Papadopoylo, ap` o,ti jerete; Kai ean mporeite na mas peite ti ejhghseis edwse o k. Papadopoylos.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den mporw na gnwrizw leptomereies gia tis ejhghseis poy edwse o k. Papadopoylos. Einai gnwsth h apoch toy k. Papadopoyloy. Kai o idios thn exei, kat epanalhch, analysei kai qa thn analysei.

ARGYROS: Poioi htan oi logoi poy barynan sthn apofash toy k. Shmith;

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws gnwrizete, ta proswpika qemata, sto epipedo enos Ypoyrgoy, exoyn kai politikh shmasia kai o xeirismos poy ginetai gyrw apo proswpika qemata exei kai politikes epiptwseis.

IWANNOY: Ejhghse o Prwqypoyrgos ston k. Papadopoylo toys logoys gia toys opoioys apofasise thn apomakrynsh toy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas to anefera molis prin. Fysika kata th diarkeia mias syzhthshs ginontai ektenesteres anafores. Alla, o basikos logos einai aytos poy molis sas anefera: Ta proswpika qemata einai politika, otan exoyn na kanoyn me to epipedo enos ypoyrgoy kai o xeirismos aytwn twn qematwn epiferei kai politikes epiptwseis.

IWANNOY: H aisqhsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy einai oti oi dhlwseis toy k. Papadopoyloy eblacan thn kybernhsh, alla kai to idio to proswpo toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw hdh apanthsei.

KAPPOS: Anarwtiemai ean eiserxetai me thn parathrhsh poy kanate prohgoymenws ena neo krithrio ston tropo me ton opoio o Prwqypoyrgos apofasizei th synqesh toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy kai ean paraiteitai kapoios ypoyrgos, apopempetai h otidhpote sxetiko...

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw apanthsei me thn prohgoymenh topoqethsh moy.

ALEJAKHS: Ejefrase diafwnies o k. Papadopoylos gia thn askhsh kai ton tropo diakybernhshs...;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gi` ayta ta zhthmata nomizw oti to kalytero einai na enhmerwqeite apo ton k. Papadopoylo.

KONTOPOYLOS: O k. Papadopoylos, kata thn ektimhsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, htan enas petyxhmenos ypoyrgos; Petyxe, eixe apotelesmata sto ergo toy; Kai ean petyxe kai eixe apotelesmata, giati antikaqistatai enas anqrwpos poy eixe epityxh poreia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw hdh epishmanei dyo shmeia, ta opoia apantoyn sthn erwthsh sas. To prwto shmeio einai oi eyxaristies toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia th mexri twra prosfora toy k. Papadopoyloy stoys tomeis twn oikonomikwn, ths dhmosias dioikhshs kai ths ygeias kai to deytero shmeio einai h elpida toy gia synexish ths synergasias apo th qesh toy k. Papadopoyloy sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada toy PASOK kai thn Kentrikh Epitroph toy Kinhmatos. Sto deytero meros ths erwthshs sas, exw hdh apanthsei. Yparxoyn xeirismoi poy den einai proswpikoi, einai politikoi, otan aforoyn enan Ypoyrgo kai epiferoyn politikes epiptwseis. Nomizw oti ginomai eykola katanohtos.

ARGYROS: H antikatastash toy k. Papadopoyloy qa symparasyrei kai toys ypoloipoys ths hgesias toy ypoyrgeioy Ygeias;

PRWTOPAPAS: Yparxei mia kenh qesh, h opoia qa symplhrwqei. Ean ektimhsei o Prwqypoyrgos oti prepei na kanei kapoia allh kinhsh, qa enhmerwqeite. Alla, h enhmerwsh poy exoyme einai oti qa yparjei kalych ths kenhs qeshs toy ypoyrgoy Ygeias kai Pronoias.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Kata th diarkeia toy tajidioy sthn Kina mas eixate pei oti ola ta endexomena einai anoikta kai oti den yparxoyn proapofasismenes...

PRWTOPAPAS: Eixa milhsei gia synanthsh oysias.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Edw fainetai oti h apodoxh ths paraithshs toy k. Papadopoyloy eixe proapofasistei...

PRWTOPAPAS: Oxi, k. Xasapopoyle. Egine mia syzhthsh. O Prwqypoyrgos eixe tis apoceis toy. Apo th syzhthsh ayth proekyce h epiqymia toy Prwqypoyrgoy na zhthqei h paraithsh toy k. Papadopoyloy. O k. Papadopoylos ypebale, en synexeia, thn paraithsh toy, dhlwse de o idios oti paramenei energa stis tajeis toy Kinhmatos.

GARGALAKOS: O Prwqypoyrgos eixe olo to Sabbatokyriako mprosta toy gia na parei tis apofaseis toy, opws edeije kai h synanthsh oti eixe parei tis apofaseis toy. To zhthma poy prokyptei twra einai poy entassetai, ean yparxei kapoia dystokia kai poy ofeiletai ayth h dystokia sthn anakoinwsh toy onomatos toy antikatastath toy k. Papadopoyloy. Giati den mporw na fantastw oti o Prwqypoyrgos den eixe kapoio onoma sto myalo toy. Mhpws ekane kapoia protash kai o endiaferomenos eipe oxi;

PRWTOPAPAS: H parembash sas enisxyei thn prohgoymenh topoqethsh moy. Kai giati; Eixa milhsei gia syzhthsh kai synanthsh oysias, xwris tetelesmena. Akribws, to gegonos oti den anakoinwqhke amesws meta th lhjh ths synanthshs kai thn ypobolh ths paraithshs toy k. Papadopoyloy, to onoma toy neoy ypoyrgoy, apodeiknyei toy logoy to alhqes. Ean yphrxan tetelesmena, ayta qa eixan odhghsei se amesh anakoinwsh toy onomatos toy antikatastath. Ti pio fysiologiko, meta apo mia syzhthsh oysias, h opoia katelhje se ypobolh paraithshs, na yparxei enas anagkaios xronos, prokeimenoy o Prwqypoyrgos na katalhjei, symfwna me ta osa epiballei to Syntagma sto neo Ypoyrgo. To qewrw apolytws fysiologiko kai apantw sto erwthma toy k. Xasapopoyloy.

XRISTAKOS: Otan lete oti egine syzhthsh oysias, ektimate oti mesa se mish wra mporei na syzhthqhke ena toso krisimo politiko zhthma;

PRWTOPAPAS: Otan milas gia thn oysia twn pragmatwn, h wra ayth htan arketh, giati h syzhthsh egine epi ths oysias. Nomizw oti metajy toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai enos Ypoyrgoy h syzhthsh pantote einai syzhthsh oysias.

IWANNOY: Ean katalaba kala lete oti o Prwqypoyrgos ejantlhse ola ta periqwria kai anemene apo ton k. Papadopoylo mia allagh stashs gia na mh labei ayth thn apofash. Etsi einai;

PRWTOPAPAS: O,ti eixa na pw, to eipa kai mhn epixeiroyme twra na dhmioyrghsoyme deyterogeneis entypwseis, oi opoies se telikh analysh den ejyphretoyn tipota. Einai safes ayto poy eipa: Sto epipedo enos ypoyrgoy, ta proswpika zhthmata exoyn kai politikh diastash kai o tropos xeirismoy toys epiferei politikes epiptwseis. Otan aytes oi politikes epiptwseis einai arnhtikes, einai safes oti odhgoymaste se tetoia apotelesmata.

KARGOYDH: Qa hqela to sxolio sas gia th synenteyjh toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy sthn opoia qetei zhthma anagkaiothtas amesoy anasxhmatismoy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa sas zhtoysa na diabasete th synenteyjh toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy sto synolo ths. Dioti, an th dei kaneis sto synolo ths, qa diapistwsei oti einai mia synenteyjh poy symballei sth genikoterh prospaqeia mas. Apo ekei kai pera, den exw kanena logo na krinw h na sxoliazw epimeroys shmeia mias synenteyjhs. O idios o k. Tsoxatzopoylos paradexetai, opws ejalloy gnwrizoyme oloi, oti to qema toy anasxhmatismoy einai ths eyqynhs kai armodiothtas toy Prwqypoyrgoy, o opoios qa anakoinwsei syntoma -opws sas eipa, hdh- to neo onoma toy ypoyrgoy Ygeias kai Pronoias. Tipota perissotero.

MOYRTZHS: Oysiastika kathgoreite gia kakoys xeirismoys ton aperxomeno ypoyrgo Ygeias...

PRWTOPAPAS: Den kathgoroyme kanenan. Diapistwnoyme politikes epiptwseis, profanws arnhtikes.

MOYRTZHS: O xeirismos epiferei kai politikes epiptwseis. Ean eixe prosynennohqei me ton Prwqypoyrgo, ean ton eixe enhmerwsei o ypoyrgos Ygeias gia tis proqeseis toy na mhn politeyqei, ti qa ginotan;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na sas ypenqymisw oti oi anakoinwseis toy k. Papadopoyloy eginan xwris prohgoymenh synennohsh kai en apoysia toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, ean o k. Papadopoylos qa einai ypochfios stis epomenes ekloges me to PASOK.

PRWTOPAPAS: Moy apeyqynete mia erwthsh poy den me afora.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Den einai proswpiko. Einai paraithqeis ypoyrgos ths kybernhshs, einai stelexos toy PASOK...

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai melos ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas kai ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs toy Kinhmatos. Pisteyw oti ena stelexos, me to kyros toy k. Papadopoyloy, qa apofasisei o idios thn parapera politikh poreia toy. Ejalloy, dhlwse ayth th stigmh -kai ayto nomizw mas endiaferei- oti paramenei strateymenos sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada kai thn Kentrikh Epitroph.

KAPPOS: Epeidh yparxei mia antifash, anarwtiemai prwton, ean ta proswpika qemata dhmioyrgoyn politikes epiptwseis, ti nohma eixe ayth h hmiwrh syzhthsh poy egine metajy toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai toy k. Papadopoyloy; Kai deyteron, efoson eprokeito gia syzhthsh oysias, ti diaforetiko eprepe na prajei se ayth th syzhthsh o k. Papadopoylos, wste na mh toy zhthqei h paraithsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den exw tipota na prosqesw. Exw, hdh, apanthsei.

KONTOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, ean me thn parodo 48 wrwn h kybernhsh kai o Prwqypoyrgos exoyn katalhjei gia to apotelesma ths ereynas se baqos, thn opoia zhthsan apo thn Astynomia, gia to peristatiko poy synebh to Sabbato;

PRWTOPAPAS: Molis yparjoyn ta apotelesmata ths ereynas se baqos, qa enhmerwqeite, opws qa enhmerwqei kai olos o ellhnikos laos. Ayta ta qemata apaitoyn xrono. Ginetai ereyna se baqos, h anakrish kanei to ergo ths, mesa sto plaisio poy orizei h dikaiodosia ths kai bebaiws, qa enhmerwqoyme gia ta opoia apotelesmata yparjoyn. Epishs, qelw na qymisw oti me entolh toy ypoyrgoy Dhmosias Tajhs M. Xrysoxoidh, o arxhgos ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias k. Nasiakos, diejagei hdh ereyna gia tyxon eyqynes astynomikwn organwn. Epishs, gnwrizete oti hdh exoyn lhfqei kai orismenes apofaseis.

KONTOPOYLOS: Ayto, dhladh, shmainei oti yparxoyn sygkekrimenes eyqynes sto dioikhth toy astynomikoy Tmhmatos Ejarxeiwn h yparxei problhma genikotera sthn astynomikh Dieyqynsh Aqhnwn, ths opoias melos einai to sygkekrimeno Tmhma;

PRWTOPAPAS: Oson afora to sygkekrimeno Tmhma, exei doqei apanthsh sthn prajh. Opws gnwrizete, exoyn lhfqei hdh ta prwta peiqarxika metra kata toy dioikhth toy astynomikoy Tmhmatos. Ekeino, omws, poy qelw na tonisw einai oti den einai dynaton apo ena memonwmeno gegonos na bgazoyme genikotera symperasmata poy aforoyn ta qemata asfaleias sth xwra mas. Exei ginei ena pragmatika ploysio kai shmantiko ergo. Qelw na sas qymisw oti h Ellada einai ayth th stigmh h xwra ths Eyrwphs me th mikroterh egklhmatikothta kai kaqe xrono, symfwna me ta stoixeia poy exoyme kai den amfisbhtoyntai, yparxoyn synexeis kai qetikes ejelijeis ston tomea ths katapolemhshs toy egklhmatos. Prin apo merikes hmeres, akomh kai ekqeseis dieqnwn paragontwn hrqan na ektimhsoyn ayto to pragmati shmantiko ergo poy ginetai ston tomea ths katapolemhshs toy egklhmatos sthn Ellada. Eimaste h pio asfalhs xwra ths Eyrwphs. Kai ayto den prepei na to jexnoyme. Epitrecte moy, me thn eykairia ths erwthshs sas, na tonisw oti oi parembaseis orismenwn stelexwn ths N.D., edeijan apo thn prwth wra mia shmantikh elleich eyaisqhsias. Den einai dynaton, prin kan teleiwsei to epeisodio kai xwris na ekfrasoyn thn anakoyfish toys -poy htan kai anakoyfish oloy toy ellhnikoy laoy- gia to gegonos oti den yphrjan anqrwpina qymata, na kanoyn kritikh me to yfos kai ton tropo poy ekanan. Yparxoyn kai oria sthn politikh ekmetalleysh. Ayto prepei na to katalaboyn kala oloi. Qa elega akomh oti oi topoqethseis ypeyqynwn stelexwn ths N.D. poy eginan xqes, apodeiknyoyn oti to komma ayto epixeirei na "poylhsei" fobo kai anasfaleia. Na dysfhmisei th xwra mas, prokeimenoy na apokomisei kapoia mikrokommatika ofelh. Qelw na qymisw oti gia th Dhmokratia, o fobos einai to xeirotero pragma. Kai h N.D. den distase -kai anaferomai se dhlwseis stelexwn ths- na kallierghsei fobo kai anasfaleia. Einai profanhs o stoxos ths kommatikhs ekmetalleyshs, alla einai, dystyxws, mia idiaitera arnhtikh energeia poy ofeiloyme na epishmanoyme.

Qelw na tonisw kai pali oti h Ellada einai h pio asfalhs xwra ths Eyrwphs. Kai me aformh kapoies dhlwseis toy k. Byrwna Polydwra, qa hqela na pw oti qa eprepe ta stelexh ths N.D. na gnwrizoyn oti akomh kai ston tomea twn narkwtikwn yparxei ena shmantiko eqniko sxedio drashs, to opoio xrhmatodoteitai, gia th xronia ayth, me 10 dis. draxmes parapanw apo thn prohgoymenh. Yparxei, dhladh, enas yperdiplasiasmos twn porwn. Yparxoyn, epishs, kai 400 proslhceis eidikwn, poy ginontai ayth th stigmh, prokeimenoy na ylopoihqei olo ayto to programma.

KONTOPOYLOS: O astynomikos poy apokleisthke, den eixe ton asyrmato poy eprepe na exei mazi toy. Se ayto to qema, exei doqei ypeyqynh apanthsh apo thn astynomikh Dieyqynsh pros thn politikh hgesia; Giati den doqhke asyrmatos kai giati den dinontai systhmatika, apo o,ti prokyptei apo to reportaz;

PRWTOPAPAS: Katalabainete oti o omilwn den mporei na mpei se mia analytikh syzhthsh gyrw apo ti oplismo kai ti ylika xrhsimopoiei h Ellhnikh Astynomia. Oi sxetikes apanthseis qa doqoyn apo thn idia. Ej oswn gnwrizw, qa yparjoyn syntoma polles enhmerwtikes epafes me toys synadelfoys sas astynomikoys syntaktes. Apo ekei kai pera, ayto poy exw na pw politika sto erwthma mas, einai oti hdh exoyn lhfqei metra kata toy dioikhth toy astynomikoy Tmhmatos. Ayto apanta sthn erwthsh sas.

MOYRTZHS: Sthn ereyna poy dienergeitai, diereynatai ean o "pistolero" edrase aytoboylws h htan etairokaqorizomenos, me opoiondhpote tropo;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai logiko, otan ginetai mia ereyna, na ejetazontai oles oi ptyxes. Ayto to skopo exei h ereyna. Qa ejetastei ean eixe proqesh, ean yphrxan synergoi, qa ejetastoyn ta panta. Den mporw na gnwrizw poy qa katalhjei h ereyna. Einai logiko oti, otan exeis enan anqrwpo, o opoios kykloforei me karampina se diafora merh ths Aqhnas, na ejetazeis oles tis piqanes ekdoxes.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Mporeite na mas ypodeijete kapoia xwra ths Eyrwphs poy einai anasfalhs se sygkrish me thn Ellada; Na ginetai ena tetoio epeisodio mprosta sthn prwqypoyrgikh katoikia kai na blepoyme Eyrwpaio prwqypoyrgo, opws eidame xqes ton k. Shmith; Mia xwra kai enan Prwqypoyrgo poy eixan thn eikona th xqesinh;

POYLIDOY: O Palme.

PRWTOPAPAS: H kyria Poylidoy sas edwse mia apanthsh, egw den qa thn yioqethsw.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Den einai Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos h kyria Poylidoy.

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yioqethsa ayth thn apanthsh. Kai na sas pw to giati; Den qelw na mpainw se periptwsiologia. Milhsa apo thn prwth stigmh gia ena sobaro peristatiko, to apodexthka. Kai dieykrinisa oti prokeitai na dienerghqei ereyna gia na anadeixqoyn tyxon eyqynes stelexwn ths Astynomias. Opws gnwrizete, arketa argotera apo thn prwth topoqethsh moy, yphrjan kai ta prwta apotelesmata, poy den shmainei oti einai kai ta telika. Safws qa synexistei h EDE sthn Astynomia, thn opoia diejagei o k. Nasiakos, meta apo sxetikh entolh toy armodioy ypoyrgoy. An apodeixqei oti kapoios ferei eyqynh, oti oligwrhse h oti den ekane swsta th doyleia toy, qa toy apodoqoyn eyqynes. Apo ekei kai pera, eipa oti ena memonwmeno peristatiko, to opoio o idios apokalesa sobaro, den mporei se kamia periptwsh na antistrecei kai na amayrwsei thn eikona ths doyleias poy exei ginei ta teleytaia xronia sthn EL.AS. kai thn prospaqeia gia thn patajh toy egklhmatos kai thn enisxysh ths asfaleias twn Ellhnwn politwn.

Qelw na tonisw oti symfwna me ola ta stoixeia poy yparxoyn kai tis topoqethseis olwn twn Dieqnwn Organismwn -kai ayto den einai tyxaio- h Ellada einai h pio asfalhs xwra ths Eyrwphs. As mhn epixeiroyme na dysfhmoyme th xwra, as mhn kalliergoyme fobo kai anasfaleia. Opoios ``poylaei'' fobo kai anasfaleia, prosferei idiaitera arnhtikes yphresies sth Dhmokratia mas kai ton ellhniko lao.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Egw den amfisbhtw ayta poy moy lete, egw qelw na moy apanthsete, an analogo peristatiko synebh, estw kai mia fora, se kapoia eyrwpaikh xwra h se kapoion omologo toy k. Shmith. Esas sas ikanopoiei h eikona; Milate gia fobo. Xqes den htan fobismenos o k. Shmiths, meta toys pyrobolismoys, mprosta stis kameres;

PRWTOPAPAS: Kai stis xwres toy kosmoy me ta pleon asfalh metra prostasias, gnwrizete oti exoyn ginei egklhmatikes energeies kai exoyn dolofonhqei politikoi hgetes. Den qelw na kanw sygkriseis. Ayta poy mporw na sygkrinw einai ta stoixeia ths egklhmatikothtas. Kai ti apodeiknyoyn ta stoixeia ayta; Oti h Ellada einai h pio asfalhs xwra. Isws me rwthsete an eimaste eyxaristhmenoi. Oydepote eipame oti eimaste eyxaristhmenoi, oso yparxei estw kai mia lhsteia, mia dolofonia, mia kloph kai mia diarrhjh. Emeis prepei na amynqoyme, giati exoyme thn eyqynh na antapokrinomaste sto aisqhma asfaleias poy zhtaei o ellhnikos laos, o opoios asfalws kai exei dikio otan zhtaei perissoterh asfaleia. Peri aytoy, den yparxei amfibolia. Anaferomai, omws se orismenoys kai sygkekrimena se kapoia stelexh ths N.D., poy apo thn prwth stigmh bghkan na ``poylhsoyn'' fobo kai anasfaleia. Safws kai diafwnoyme me mia tetoia antilhch.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ayta poy lete eseis ta apodexetai o k. Shmiths; O k. Shmiths ta symmerizetai, den fobhqhke xqes, dhladh; Kai epeidh lete pws mporeite na mas anaferete polla paradeigmata@

PRWTOPAPAS: Den mpainw se ayth th logikh. An cajete, qa ta breite monos sas.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Giati kathgoreite aytoys, oi opoioi dhmioyrgoyn fobo; To xqesino gegonos den dhmioyrgei fobo ston aplo polith, otan ejw apo thn prwqypoyrgikh katoikia synebhsan ola ayta;

PRWTOPAPAS: An cajoyme kai se alles xwres ths Eyrwphs qa broyme kapoio paromoio peristatiko.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Peste moy mia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Sas anefera kai dolofonies politikwn hgetwn. Den qelw ayth th stigmh na mpw se periptwsiologia. Gnwrizw oti exoyn ginei, opws to gnwrizete kai eseis. Kai bebaia den isxyrizomai pws gi` ayto krinetai mia xwra an einai kalyterh h xeiroterh, dioti mporei na yparjei kai h atyxhs stigmh, to laqos. Egw qa hqela na krinoyme, ean h Ellada einai asfalhs xwra h oxi. Oi epiqeseis twn stelexwn ths N.D. kata ths kybernhshs, den aforoysan to sygkekrimeno gegonos. Ekeinoi dhlwsan oti "h Ellada einai jefrago ampeli", oti "anqei h egklhmatikothta", oti "den yparxei Astynomia, oti exei dialyqei h Astynomia". Tis akoysame oloi tis dhlwseis aytes. Yparxei poliths poy na apodexetai oti aytes oi dhlwseis exoyn bash kai antapokrinontai sthn pragmatikothta; Den prepei na apanthsoyme oti h Ellada, symfwna me ta stoixeia ths E.E., einai h pio asfalhs xwra ths Eyrwphs; Den qa apanthsoyme, parapempontas sto shmantiko ergo poy exei ginei thn teleytaia periodo sthn EL.AS.; Den prepei na poyme oti aytes oi dhlwseis aposkopoyn sthn kalliergeia foboy kai anasfaleias apo thn pleyra stelexwn ths N.D.; Kai den anaferomai se oloys, alla se kapoia stelexh. Den prepei na poyme oti ayto einai to xeirotero poy mporei na kanei kaneis gia th xwra toy, me to na kalliergei synaisqhmata foboy kai anasfaleias stoys polites; Jerete ti shmainei na kalliergeis fobo se mia Dhmokratia;

PAPADOPOYLOS: Egw den eimai, omws, ths N.D. gia na ta lete se mena. Den exete mprosta sas kapoion ths N.D.!

PRWTOPAPAS: Drattomai ths eykairias.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Eimai dhmosiografos, k. Ypoyrge. An qelete na ta peite ayta, mporeite na ta peite sth Boylh h kapoy alloy. Oxi mesw hmwn, sta stelexh ths N.D.

PRWTOPAPAS: Drattomai ths eykairias gia na sxoliazw.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Qelw na rwthsw, ean o xeirismos enos proswpikoy zhthmatos synista logo apopomphs enos ypoyrgoy apo thn kybernhsh, oi politikes eyqynes gia ena tetoio peristatiko, kata to opoio kata laqos den qrhnhsame kai qymata, den synistoyn logo apopomphs toy armodioy ypoyrgoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den milhsa gia politikoys xeirismoys, eipa gia politikes epiptwseis poy epeferan oi politikoi xeirismoi. Kai tonisa oti aytes oi politikes epiptwseis htan arnhtikes.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Sas erwtw ean, kata th gnwmh ths kybernhshs, exei politikes eyqynes o k. Xrysoxoidhs.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kaqe fora poy qa symbainei ena tyxaio h memonwmeno peristatiko sthn Astynomia, einai megalo laqos na prospaqoyme na dhmioyrgoyme politiko problhma kata toy armodioy ypoyrgoy. O armodios ypoyrgos krinetai apo to ergo poy exei prosferei ston tomea kata ths egklhmatikothtas kai yper ths asfaleias twn politwn. Kata koinh omologia, to ergo toy k. Xrysoxoidh einai idiaitera ploysio kai shmantiko. Symfwna de me stoixeia ekqesewn dieqnwn Organismwn kai armodiwn forewn, to ergo poy exei syntelestei ston tomea ths katapolemhshs toy egklhmatos sthn Ellada xarakthrizetai ws poly shmantiko. Ayto xarakthrizei th doyleia toy armodioy ypoyrgoy kai oxi ena memonwmeno peristatiko, to opoio mporei na symbei ston kaqena.

TRIANTAFYLLOY: Qewreite memonwmeno peristatiko to gegonos oti enas anqrwpos jekinhse apo ta Ejarxeia kai efqase sto Kolwnaki kai telika synelhfqh sto Koykaki, pernwntas apo diafora astynomika tmhmata, afoplizontas eidikoys froyroys kai pernwntas mprosta apo thn prwqypoyrgikh katoikia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws gnwrizete, mprosta apo thn prwqypoyrgikh katoikia mporei na perasei opoiodhpote aytokinhto. Apo dhmokratikh eyaisqhsia o k. Shmiths den exei metatrecei thn odo Anagnwstopoyloy se froyrio. Bebaiws, einai asfalhs h prwqypoyrgikh katoikia, peri aytoy den yparxei kamia amfibolia. Alla antilambaneste oti, efoson mporei na perasei opoiodhpote aytokinhto mprosta apo thn prwqypoyrgikh katoikia, mporei na perasei kai opoiosdhpote pezos. Molis to aytokinhto stamathse, amesws phgan oi entetalmenoi ths asfaleias na kanoyn to sxetiko elegxo. As mhn kalliergeitai, loipon, ayth h filologia peri toy pio dhqen froyroymenoy shmeioy ths Aqhnas. Ta aytokinhta pernoyn apo ekeino to shmeio, oi polites mporoyn na pernoyn epishs. Bebaiws, den yphrje synagermos. Den eidopoihqhke h asfaleia toy k. Shmith oti kapoios anqrwpos kykloforei me mia karampina konta sto spiti toy. Gi` ayto to logo kai eipame apo thn prwth stigmh oti qa diejaxqoyn ereynes kai mesa sthn Astynomia gia na apodoqoyn tyxon eyqynes. Alla, bebaiws einai ena memonwmeno peristatiko. Den prokeitai gia kati poy symbainei kaqe mera.

KARGOYDH: Me dedomeno oti pragmatika to epeisodio ayto einai ejairetika shmantiko, opws ki eseis eipate, gnwrizete an o Prwqypoyrgos exei qesei sygkekrimeno xroniko periqwrio ston ypoyrgo toy gia thn peratwsh twn ereynwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Opws antilambaneste den mporeis na qeteis, kata th diejagwgh mias tetoias anakrishs, xroniko plaisio.

KARGOYDH: Den anaferomai sto dikastiko meros ths ypoqeshs. Anaferomai stis ereynes entos ths Astynomias.

PRWTOPAPAS: Oi ereynes diejagontai me to xarakthra toy epeigontos. Opws jerete, exoyn apodoqei hdh oi prwtes eyqynes. Oi ereynes synexizontai.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Ayrio fqanei sthn Aqhna o proedreywn ths E.E. k. Aqnar, piqana synodeyomenos apo ton k. Solana. Qa syzhthqoyn diafora qemata, metajy twn opoiwn kai to qema toy eyrwstratoy. Yparxei plhroforia oti exei alloiwqei to eggrafo ths Agkyras yper twn ellhnikwn qesewn. Einai etoimh h Ellada na ypogracei, pleon, ayto to eggrafo ths Agkyras;

PRWTOPAPAS: Sthn pragmatika shmantikh sas erwthsh qelw na epishmanw to ejhs: Einai safes oti yparxoyn mia seira apo prwtoboylies ek meroys ths ispanikhs Proedrias. Yparxoyn mia seira apo skeceis, prwtoboylies, idees. Xrhsimopoihsa toys oroys idees kai prwtoboylies kai oxi sygkekrimenes protaseis, toylaxiston akomh. Mexri stigmhs, den exoyme sygkekrimenes epishmes protaseis. Yparxei mia desmh idewn, prwtoboyliwn kai skecewn. Bebaiws, den gnwrizoyme ti qa pei ayrio o k. Aqnar. Piqanotata na epilejei kati tetoio, omws akomh den to gnwrizoyme, qa to maqoyme ayrio meta th synanthsh poy qa exei me ton k. Shmith. Ekeino, omws, poy qelw na tonisw einai oti toylaxiston mexri protinos -afoy ekkremei h ayrianh synanthsh- oi skeceis, oi idees kai oi prwtoboylies poy eixan anaptyxqei, den eixan odhghsei se ena tetoio plaisio poy na mporoyme na poyme oti yparxei symfwnia ths ellhnikhs pleyras. Exoyme dromo akomh. Einai qetiko oti aytes oi skeceis kai oi idees exoyn na kanoyn me to eggrafo, kati poy mexri protinos qewreito ws qema tampoy, as to pw etsi. Einai qetiko oti anaptyssontai skeceis epi toy keimenoy, omws aytes den exoyn parei epishmo xarakthra, oyte ek prwths ocews einai tetoies poy qa mporoyse kaneis na pei oti exoyme ftasei sta proqyra mias symfwnias. Exoyme dromo akomh. Ayto qelw na ginei katanohto.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Epeidh oi plhrofories lene oti qa synodeyetai apo ton k. Solana, mhpws ayth h paroysia toy k. Solana shmainei pieseis pros thn ellhnikh kybernhsh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxoyn pieseis. O kaqenas gnwrizei oti o Prwqypoyrgos den dexetai pieseis sto qema ayto. Oi apoceis mas einai safeis kai exoyn ekfrastei toso apo ton Prwqypoyrgo, oso kai apo ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn Giwrgo Papandreoy se ola ta eyrwpaika organa. Anamenoyme tis nees prwtoboylies. Einai eyxaristo kai idiaitera shmantiko oti yparxoyn aytes oi prwtoboylies. Mhn exoyme, omws, thn aisqhsh oti oi synennohseis exoyn odhghsei sto epiqymhto apotelesma. Exoyme doyleia kai dromo, akomh.

KAPPOS: Qa hqela na epibebaiwsete h na diaceysete thn plhroforia oti o Prwqypoyrgos zhthse, peripoy thn wra ths katadiwjhs, apo toys astynomikoys na mhn skotwsoyn to drasth, me o,ti ayto synepagetai, gia to baqmo empistosynhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy pros tyxon yperballonta zhlo twn Swmatwn Asfaleias, kai deyteron, gia thn kybernhsh noeitai na kindyneyoyn polites, oysiastika ligotero apo enan enoplo, o opoios kykloforei sthn Aqhna kai perissotero apo toys astynomikoys oi opoioi pyroboloyn adiakritws;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den nomizw oti pyroboloyn oi astynomikoi adiakritws.

KAPPOS: Oi martyries poy exoyme apo ton kosmo ths odoy Anagnwstopoyloy lene to antiqeto.

PRWTOPAPAS: Qelw na sas qymisw oti oi Ellhnes astynomikoi den pyroboloyn adiakritws. Pyroboloyn otan einai apolyth anagkh. Otan enas anqrwpos krataei karampina kai pyrobolei, einai logiko oti qa prokalesei apanthsh me pyrobolismoys. Idiaitera, otan prokeitai gia periptwsh ycisths asfaleias. Omws, den pyroboloyn oi astynomikoi adiakritws.

KAPPOS: Rwtw eyqews: Kindyneysan polites apo tis sfaires twn astynomikwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai safes oti otan antallassontai pyrobolismoi, kaneis den mporei na aisqanetai eyxarista. Einai poly qetiko -kai apo thn prwth stigmh ekfrasame thn anakoyfish mas- oti den yphrjan anqrwpina qymata. Kai ayth h eyaisqhsia perimename na fanei apo oles tis pleyres. Xairw, gia paradeigma, poy o Grammateas ths N.D. k. Meimarakhs, mas thlefwnhse kai mas zhthse enhmerwsh gyrw apo to gegonos. Omws, orismena stelexh ths N.D. apo thn prwth stigmh espeysan na qesoyn qemata kommatikhs ekmetalleyshs.

KAPPOS: Gia to an ontws o Prwqypoyrgos zhthse na mhn skotwsoyn to drasth;

PRWTOPAPAS: Tetoies leptomereies den mporw na tis gnwrizw. O k. Shmiths ejefrase apo thn prwth stigmh thn anakoyfish toy poy den yphrjan anqrwpina qymata.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Yparxoyn dhmosieymata poy lene oti o k. Shmiths einai enoxlhmenos apo th stash kai apo thn praktikh toy Arxhgoy ths Astynomias.

PRWTOPAPAS: Kata kairoys, exoyme thn eykolh lysh na emfanizoyme ton Prwqypoyrgo, ws enoxlhmeno, orgismeno, dysforoynta k.lp. Pagia praktikh moy, toylaxiston oso kairo eimai Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos, einai na mh dexomai ayta ta epiqeta. Kai oses fores tiqentai ayta ta epiqeta, tiqentai me eyqynh toy dhmosiografoy, o opoios ta qetei. Emeis panta epimenoyme oti o Prwqypoyrgos otan qelei na kanei kati, to kanei. Kai otan qelei na apofasisei kati, to apofasizei. Kai ayto fainetai se oles tis periptwseis. To na epixeiroymai na emfanisoyme ton Prwqypoyrgo genikws kai aoristws ws exonta aytes tis idiothtes, pisteyw oti den prosferei se kanenan tipota.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Pantws o Prwqypoyrgos den milaei me dhmosiografoys. Kai aytes oi plhrofories den bgainoyn apo apeyqeias synomilia@

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete kala oti orismenes fores einai ektimhseis kai oxi plhrofories.

I. XASAPOPOYLOS: Yparxei qema me ton Arxhgo ths Astynomias;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai swsto na epixeiroyme kaqe fora na metaferoyme tis ektimhseis poy qeloyme na kanoyme, ws logia kapoiwn allwn. Ayto dhmioyrgei panta problhmata kai ta problhmata ayta den bohqoyn kanenan. Kai panw apo ola den bohqoyn tis sxeseis mas. Epomenws, ean me rwtate gia ton Arxhgo ths Astynomias, an yphrxe qema, qa eixe ekdhlwqei. Otan analambanei o idios o Arxhgos ths Astynomias na kanei thn EDE, ayto milaei apo mono toy.

Sas eyxaristw.

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