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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 9 Noembrioy 2001

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO XRHSTO PRWTOPAPA

Geia sas.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

GIANNISHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, xqes shmeiwqhke ena frastiko peristatiko eis baros toy Toyrkoy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn Ismahl Tzem. Yparxoyn eyqynes ths Astynomias gia ton mh elegxo oswn mphkan sthn aiqoysa opoy ginotan h ekqesh toy k. Tzem;

PRWTOPAPAS: Emeis oi Ellhnes eimaste idiaitera eyaisqhtoi se qemata filojenias kai qa hqela na ekfrasw th lyph mas gia to symban ayto. Se kamia periptwsh, omws, den prepei ayto to atyxes symban na ypobaqmisei ta poly shmantika apotelesmata poy eixan oi syzhthseis metajy twn ypoyrgwn Ejwterikwn Elladas kai Toyrkias Giwrgoy Papandreoy kai Ismahl Tzem. Sas qymizw oti ypegrafh mia seira prwtokollwn synergasias metajy twn dyo xwrwn, opws to prwtokollo gia th laqrometanasteysh (h symfwnia ths epaneisdoxhs) kai akomh yphrje proodos se tria Metra Oikodomhshs Empistosynhs (MOE). Exoyme, loipon, mia seira qetikwn apotelesmatwn apo ayth th synergasia, akribws gia na yparjei meiwsh ths entashs kai empedwsh sxesewn kalhs geitonias.

GIANNISHS: Me sygxwreite, sas rwthsa gia tis eyqynes ths Astynomias, ths kratikhs asfaleias kai endexomenws ths EYP. Den gnwrizan poios htan aytos poy mphke mesa sthn aiqoysa;

PRWTOPAPAS: Akribws, epeidh ton gnwrisan synelhfqh taxytata kai odhghqhke ejw apo thn aiqoysa. Ekeino poy qelw, epishs, na tonisw einai oti kai oi anqrwpoi aytoi poy toys exei doqei politiko asylo -kai eimaste idiaitera eyaisqhtoi sta problhmata toys- qa prepei me th seira toys na sebontai th xwra poy toys filojenei kai na mhn probainoyn se energeies, oi opoies mporei na dhmioyrgoyn problhma, oson afora th dieqnh eikona ths xwras.

KOTTARIDHS: Qa mporoysate na mas sxoliasete th dhlwsh toy k. Abramopoyloy, xqes, o opoios eperrice eyqynes sthn EL.AS.;

PRWTOPAPAS: Eimai o teleytaios poy qa mpei sth logikh, na rixnei o enas tis eyqynes ston allo. Gia paradeigma, qa mporoysa na epishmanw oti to olo epeisodio elabe xwra se perioxh, opoy o Dhmos Aqhnaiwn diorganwne th sxetikh ekdhlwsh. Alla, as mhn mpoyme se ayth th logikh toy poios ftaiei pio poly. Einai ena atyxes symban, gia to opoio ejefrasa hdh th lyph mas.

GIANNISHS: Qa anazhthsei h kybernhsh,to ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs, eyqynes apo tis astynomikes Arxes; Kapoios den einai ypeyqynos gia thn asfaleia enos jenoy epishmoy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Htan ena atyxes symban. Nomizw oti prepei na meinoyme ekei. Mhn afhnoyme opoiodhpote tetoio qema na meiwnei ta poly shmantika apotelesmata, ta opoia proekycan apo th synanthsh twn dyo ypoyrgwn Ejwterikwn. Ayta prepei na anadeijoyme, dioti qa exoyn idiaitera qetikes epiptwseis sta zhthmata ths kalhs geitonias kai ths meiwshs ths entashs sthn perioxh. Ayto einai to shmantiko gegonos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayto to epeisodio dhmioyrgei problhmata, meta tis proxqesines dhlwseis kai toy ypoyrgoy Dhmosias Tajhs oti yparxoyn aysthra metra asfaleias pantoy. Kai den yphrxan se enan tetoio epishmo; Den dhmioyrgeitai problhma gia th xwra genikotera, meta tis epiqeseis poy dexetai apo diafores pleyres gia thn tromokratia;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti eixan lhfqei metra. Apo ekei kai pera, kapoia stigmh se mia ekqesh, se ena politistiko gegonos, se ena xwro opoy dinotan dejiwsh, profanws yphrje mia mikrh xalarwsh. Kaneis den symfwnei me ayto. Hdh ejefrasa th lyph mas. Ayto, omws, den shmainei oti den yphrxan metra h oti den leitoyrghsan oi mhxanismoi asfaleias. Allo to ena, allo to allo.

PAPADOPOYLOS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh yioqethse thn agglikh glwssa, stis epishmes synanthseis; Xqes, eidame apo thn ET, to kratiko kanali, tis dhlwseis toy k. Papandreoy na einai ypotitlismenes. Aisqanqhkame oti einai kapoios ypoyrgos jenhs xwras sth xwra mas. Ti exete na peite;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den einai etsi kai to gnwrizete poly kala. Kapoia stigmh, epeidh ta qemata ayta einai lepta, o Ellhnas ypoyrgos ekrine skopimo na milhsei sth glwssa poy o synomilhths toy katalabaine. Shmeiwnw oti, polles fores, gia tis anagkes twn synomiliwn kai thn ejoikonomhsh xronoy epilegetai h agglikh glwssa.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Dhladh, o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn qa mila sta agglika apo edw kai pera; Kai malista sthn ypografh symfwniwn;

PRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti o Ellhnas ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn jerei pote mila, se ti mila kai giati mila. Einai safes oti, an kapoia stigmh xreiazetai na ginei kapoia dhlwsh sthn Agglikh, ayto den to qewrw arnhtiko, oyte dhmioyrgei kanena problhma.

PAPADOPOYLOS: To prwtokollo epitassei th xrhsimopoihsh ths agglikhs glwssas se tetoies periptwseis; Ayto qelw na moy apanthsete.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw, hdh, apanthsei.

FASOYLAS: Qa hqela na mas dwsete perissoteres dieykriniseis, me aformh mia xqesinh dhlwsh toy genikoy grammatea toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn k. Plaskobith, o opoios, sthn koinh synedriash twn Epitropwn Eyrwpaikwn Ypoqesewn toy ellhnikoy kai toy ollandikoy Koinoboylioy, eipe oti h Ellada einai etoimh na dexqei synqeth onomasia, efoson ginei koina apodekth apo Aqhna kai Skopia.

PRWTOPAPAS: Pisteyoyme oti einai kairos na kleisoyme thn teleytaia ekkremothta poy yparxei stis dimereis sxeseis me thn P.G.D.M., me thn apodoxh synqeths onomasias poy qa ikanopoiei kai tis dyo pleyres.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poia qa einai ayth h synqeth onomasia; Mporeite na mas peite;

PRWTOPAPAS: Qa proteina na afhsoyme tis diapragmateyseis na ejelixqoyn.

KAPPOS: Epeidh, apo pleyras Typoy ths geitonikhs xwras, qa elega oti den yparxei senariologia, alla tis teleytaies hmeres h tis teleytaies ebdomades gia thn akribeia, yparxoyn kapoia sygkekrimena onomata kai yparxei mia eikona oti pragmatika oi diapragmateyseis synexizontai kai malista oxi sto epipedo toy OHE, mporeite na mas dwsete kapoies peraiterw dieykriniseis gi` ayto;

PRWTOPAPAS: Einai safes oti opoia onomasia prokycei, ws apotelesma twn diapragmateysewn -an prokycei, bebaiws, giati den to jeroyme ayth th stigmh- qa ikanopoiei kai th dikh mas pleyra.

KAPPOS: Gi` ayto, epimenw. Epeidh h eikona poy didetai einai oti oi diapragmateyseis den einai ekei poy tis topoqethse h endiamesh symfwnia ths Neas Yorkhs. Den ginontai, dhladh, ypo thn aigida toy OHE, alla se kapoio allo, qa elega, parapleyro xwro.

PRWTOPAPAS: Ola ginontai, opws prepei.

MIXAHL: Prin apo peripoy ena mhna, o prokatoxos sas, otan eixe erwthqei sxetika, eixe pei oti h ellhnikh qesh einai dedomenh, oti ola syzhtioyntai ston OHE kai ekei se o,ti katalhjoyn qa to doyme. Twra, exoyme ena bhma parapanw. Dhladh, h qesh sas einai oti to teleytaio ekkremes zhthma prepei na kleisei, me apodoxh synqeths onomasias.

PRWTOPAPAS: H opoia qa ikanopoiei kai tis dyo pleyres.

MIXAHL: Bebaiws. Ti exei mesolabhsei ayto to mhna;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den allaje tipota.

MIXAHL: Tote, pws jafnika prin ena mhna legame oti emeis synexizoyme tis diadikasies ston OHE kai twra leme "synqeth onomasia poy qa ikanopoiei kai tis dyo pleyres".

PRWTOPAPAS: Kai prin ena mhna, to idio akribws eixame pei.

MIXAHL: Den milagame gia synqeth onomasia, alla gia diapragmateyseis genikws ston OHE. Legame "ginontai kai qa doyme".

PRWTOPAPAS: Miloysame gia diapragmateyseis poy exoyn na kanoyn me to qema ths onomasias. Einai h teleytaia ekkremothta. Den yparxei allh. Einai, loipon, logiko, me bash tis symfwnies poy eixan ginei sto plaisio toy OHE, na ginontai aytes oi syzhthseis. Den exei allajei tipota apolytws.

MIXAHL: Merika pragmata exoyn mia synexeia. Otan to 1994 o Andreas Papandreoy proxwrhse sthn endiamesh symfwnia, ligo ews poly ejasfalise thn anoxh h th symfwnia kai twn allwn politikwn dynamewn. Twra, me dedomeno oti pame sthn apodoxh synqeths onomasias poy qa ikanopoiei kai tis dyo pleyres, einai diateqeimenh h kybernhsh na syzhthsei me ta kommata ayth thn prooptikh;

PRWTOPAPAS: Otan yparxei mia ejelijh twn diapragmateysewn poy na deixnei oti yparxei dynatothta symfwnias, einai safes oti kati tetoio qa ginei. Den eimaste, omws, se ena stadio poy na eimaste etoimoi gia na ginei kati. Epanalambanw, oti prepei na ejelixqoyn oi diapragmateyseis kai oti opoiadhpote symfwnia yparjei qa ikanopoiei kai thn ellhnikh pleyra. Alliws, den qa ginei.

FASOYLAS: Meta to telos ths synedriashs ths Epitrophs, doqhke koinh synenteyjh Typoy kai o synadelfos sas kai Antiproedros ths Boylhs, o k. Brettos, otan rwthqhke, ean qa yparxei h lejh ``MAKEDONIA'', se mia synqeth onomasia, eipe oti proswpika ektima oti mporei na periexei th lejh ``MAKEDONIA''. Symmerizeste thn apoch toy;

PRWTOPAPAS: Den gnwrizw, ean qa periexetai h oxi h lejh. Apo kei kai pera, den exw kanena logo na krinw tis ektimhseis toy k. Brettoy. O k. Brettos einai ena egkrito proswpo, einai boyleyths, einai Antiproedros toy ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy kai ekane kapoies proswpikes ektimhseis. Den krinoyme tis proswpikes ektimhseis twn stelexwn.

KAPPOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, epeidh to qema ths onomasias, asfalws den krinetai mono apo thn poreia twn diapragmateysewn, alla kai apo to pws qa ejelixqei h syzhthsh kai h chfoforia sth Boylh twn Skopiwn, gia thn epikyrwsh neoy prooimioy sto Syntagma ths geitonikhs xwras, exete kapoia eikona ws pros tis ejelijeis se ayton ton tomea;

PRWTOPAPAS: Ayth th stigmh eimaste se ena stadio poy, apo th dikh mas pleyra, exei safh xarakthristika, ta opoia periegraca. Kai h allh xwra prepei na kanei ki ekeinh tis dikes ths kinhseis. Einai safes oti ean oi dikes ths kinhseis einai symfwnes me tis apofaseis toy OHE kai tis symfwnies poy yparxoyn, ta pragmata qa pane kalytera. Alla, den eimaste se qesh, ayth th stigmh, na milhsoyme pio sygkekrimena. Kai katalabainete to giati.

MIXAHL: Ws gnwston, eixame tis plhmmyres to perasmeno Sabbatokyriako sthn Attikh. To porisma twn elegktwn toy YPEXWDE milaei gia eyqynes twn dhmarxwn kai koinotarxwn poy den elaban ta katallhla metra. O Prwqypoyrgos, apantwntas, prin apo ligo sth Boylh, sthn ``Wra toy Prwqypoyrgoy'', milhse gia kakotexnies poy yparxoyn kai oti qa katalogistoyn eyqynes kai exoyn ypoxrewsh aytoi poy anelaban ta erga na tis diorqwsoyn. Telika ti isxyei ap ola; Oi kakotexnies, oi eyqynes twn dhmarxwn h kai ta dyo;

PRWTOPAPAS: To porisma einai safes. Den qelw na apomonwsoyme fraseis gia na poyme oti eyqynetai o A@ h o B@. H ypoyrgos PEXWDE Basw Papandreoy, se poly mikro xroniko diasthma, edwse sth dhmosiothta, opws eixe proanaggeilei, thn ekqesh ths ektakths epiqewrhshs, h opoia dienerghqhke apo epiqewrhtes toy YPEXWDE. H ekqesh perilambanei para polla pragmata. Den einai idia h katastash se ola ta erga. Gia paradeigma, opws qa jerete, me entolh ths k. Papandreoy, sthn perioxh ths Rapentwsas kai sta antiplhmmyrika erga poy ekteloyntai ekei, qa dienerghqei se baqos elegxos, prokeimenoy na epispeysqoyn oi ergasies poy ginontai sthn perioxh kai na apodoqoyn tyxon eyqynes. Den einai fysika idia h katastash me thn Attikh Odo, opoy den parathrhqhke kanena problhma. Epishs, sthn idia anakoinwsh poy ejedwse shmera to YPEXWDE anaferontai shmeia poy exoyn analabei na epidiorqwsoyn oi kataskeyastes, opws sthn periptwsh toy aerodromioy, to taxytero dynato kai hdh ekteloyntai oi sxetikes ergasies. Epomenws, oi idioi qa plhrwsoyn gia tis episkeyes h tis allages poy qa ginoyn. To gegonos pws toso syntoma didetai to porisma sth dhmosiothta kai yparxei mia kaqarh eikona gyrw apo ayto to qema, einai idiaitera qetiko kai etsi prepei na to doyme.

MIXAHL: To problhma, omws, paramenei sto ejhs shmeio: Ftaine telika oi dhmotikes arxes ths B.A. Attikhs, giati den ekanan kala th doyleia toys h ftaine oi ergolaboi poy ayta ta erga poy anelaban den ta ekanan kala; Gia na katalaboyme ki emeis, thn epomenh fora, apo poion na zhthsoyme eyqynes.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw, hdh, apanthsei. Qa sas parakaloysa na diabasete ta porismata. Den exoyn ayth th logikh, toy asproy-mayroy. Einai perigrafika. Qetoyn thn katastash, opws pragmatika einai. Kai na eiste bebaioi, opws sthn periptwsh ths Rapentwsas, opoy yparxoyn ekkremh zhthmata kai exei dienerghqei peraiterw kai se baqos elegxos, to idio qa ginetai pantote, opoy prokyptoyn problhmata. Den prepei na exoyme thn eykolh lysh, oti ftaiei o A@ h o B@. Ekeino poy diapistwnoyme einai oti yparxei enas kratikos mhxanismos, o opoios prospaqhse, enas kratikos mhxanismos poy prospaqei na kanei swsta th doyleia toy, poy petyxainei para polla pragmata kai opoy yparxoyn elleiceis h problhmata parembainei gia th diorqwsh toys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Tote giati h Malakasa mas paideyei apo to 1995; Giati den egine kati ki ekei, poy yparxoyn kakotexnies kai polla alla problhmata; Kai apo thn E.E. exei stalei kapoia epistolh kai den exei ginei tipota. Paramenei ekei kai olo peftei ayto. Exoyn ginei kakotexnies kai den epiballontai prostima h ean epiballontai, den exoyn plhrwqei.

PRWTOPAPAS: Peraiterw elegxos qa dienerghqei kai sthn perioxh ths Malakasas, opoy hdh exei ginei apokatastash toy freatioy aporrohs twn ydatwn, enw hdh exei stalei kai epistolh pros th DEH kai ton OTE, gia th beltiwsh twn freatiwn, twn diktywn toys poy briskontai sthn perioxh. Pantoy ginontai oi sxetikes parembaseis.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Anejarthtws me ta osa dhlwsate mexri twra, qelw mia dieykrinish: H k. Gianna Aggelopoyloy ypebale thn paraithsh ths ston k. Shmith;

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw apanthsei apo xqes.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Sas rwtw dieykrinistikws. Jerw ti dhlwsate xqes kai jerw ti eipwqhke gyrw apo to qema. Epanerxomai kai lew, ean h ka Aggelopoyloy exei ypobalei thn paraithsh ths ston k. Shmith.

PRWTOPAPAS: Exw apanthsei apo xqes. Den yphrje tetoio qema. Yparxei poly kalh synergasia me thn ka Aggelopoyloy.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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