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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 5 Oktwbrioy 2001

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Prin dexqw tis erwthseis sas, qa hqela na sas enhmerwsw oti o Prwqypoyrgos, ayth thn wra, synantatai me thn epikefalhs toy "Aqhna 2004" k. Aggelopoyloy.

Sas exw enhmerwsei oti to brady o Prwqypoyrgos, sto plaisio ths synedriashs ths Omadas Meletwn kai Ereynwn ypo ton k. Ntelor, poy exei ton titlo "H Eyrwph mas", qa milhsei se stelexh poy symmetexoyn se aythn thn ekdhlwsh kai sth synexeia qa apanthsei se diafores erwthseis.

Ayrio, stis 10 to prwi, synedriazei h Kentrikh Epitroph toy PASOK. Einai h teleytaia Synodos ths, me th synqesh poy exei shmera.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: H toyrkikh "Sampax" kathgorei anoikta thn Ellada oti periqalpei thn tromokratia kai malista emplekei ayth th fora kai politikes proswpikothtes ths Elladas. Qelete na kanete ena sxolio;

REPPAS: Ayta einai flhnafhmata poy den exoyn sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Qa htan epikindyno gia th sxesh twn dyo xwrwn na diatypwnontai tetoioy eidoys isxyrismoi. Einai, omws, bebaio oti einai toso asthriktoi kai ektos pragmatikothtas poy prokaloyn gelio kai qymhdia. Pisteyw oti ena tmhma toy toyrkikoy katesthmenoy antimetwpizei terastia problhmata, kaqws blepei oti h xwra brisketai oysiastika se adiejodo. To tmhma ayto toy toyrkikoy katesthmenoy den epiqymei thn eyrwpaikh prooptikh ths Toyrkias kai me kaqe tropo prospaqei na yponomeysei thn prospaqeia poy kanei kata kairoys h geitonikh xwra gia na petyxei toys stoxoys poy exoyn teqei. Einai idiaitera ajioshmeiwto oti anaferetai enas politikos arxhgos, o k. Kwnstantopoylos, o opoios prin apo peripoy enamisi xrono episkefqhke thn Toyrkia kai eixe synanthseis me thn hgesia ths. Egine malista dektos apo ton tote Proedro k. Ntemirel. Ayto to stoixeio deixnei tis antifaseis kai ta adiejoda sta opoia exei perielqei ena tmhma toy toyrkikoy katesthmenoy. Kai se teleytaia analysh, prepei na poyme me safhneia kai kathgorhmatikothta oti ta dhmokratika stelexh ths politikhs zwhs ths xwras mas den perimenoyn pistopoihsh h bebaiwsh apo toyrkikes efhmerides gia na anaptyjoyn thn politikh drasthriothta toys. To kanoyn me gnwmona to symferon ths xwras mas, me pisth stoys kanones ths Dhmokratias kai metajy twn allwn -kai ayto to tonizw- me stoxo thn proseggish twn dyo xwrwn, me bash toys kanones ths kalhs geitonias, toy sebasmoy toy Dieqnoys Dikaioy, thn koinh prospaqeia poy prepei na kanoyme gia na dhmioyrghsoyme ena klima hremias kai synergasias sthn perioxh. Gia to kalo kai twn dyo xwrwn kai twn dyo lawn.

FILHS: Problhmatizetai h kybernhsh apo to gegonos oti to teleytaio diasthma, meta th legomenh pagkosmia antitromokratikh synergasia, h Agkyra epidiwkei na emfanisei opoiondhpote agwnizetai gia ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata mesa sth xwra ths h opoiondhpote symparasteketai se ayto ton agwna ejw apo th xwra ths ws tromokrath; Ayth h diafora ws pros thn ennoia ths tromokratias poy yparxei anamesa ston politismo ths Elladas, toy sygxronoy eyrwpaikoy kosmoy kai ths Toyrkias einai stoixeio poy problhmatizei thn kybernhsh, oson afora thn yparjh "antitromokratikhs synergasias" me thn Toyrkia;

REPPAS: Me aformh thn erwthsh sas, moy dinetai h eykairia na epishmanw -kai giati oxi kai na xairetisw- ws qetikes, alla oxi arketes tis ejelijeis poy aforoyn tis syntagmatikes metarryqmiseis sth geitonikh xwra. Prepei na ginoyn polla bhmata sthn kateyqynsh proaspishs twn atomikwn dikaiwmatwn twn politwn. Qa prepei to qesmiko plaisio sthn Toyrkia na enarmonistei me ayto poy isxyei sthn Ellada kai tis alles xwres ths E.E. Emeis enqarrynoyme kai parotrynoyme thn Toyrkia na proxwrhsei se ayto to dromo. Einai pros to symferon olwn mas. Apo ekei kai pera, bebaiws, h politikh ths Toyrkias ypoleipetai, se polloys tomeis, idiaiterws se ayton poy afora to sebasmo twn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn. Einai mia politikh poy oloi kaythriazoyn. Pleista osa gegonota martyroyn oti h Toyrkia prepei na dianysei akomh poly megalh apostash gia na mporei na synergazetai sto idio epipedo kai epi isois orois me tis alles xwres ston tomea ayto.

FILHS: Ekana mia erwthsh, isws na mhn egina safhs. Rwthsa, ean h ellhnikh kybernhsh qewrei oti mporei na yparjei taytish apocewn kai synepws synergasia me thn toyrkikh kybernhsh gia to qema ths antimetwpishs ths tromokratias, otan h Toyrkia qewrei tromokrath kaqenan poy agwnizetai gia ta dhmokratika dikaiwmata sthn Toyrkia kai alloy.

REPPAS: H Toyrkia prepei na dianysei megalh apostash, prokeimenoy na fqasei sto epipedo na synergazetai epi isois orois me tis alles xwres ths Eyrwphs.

ARGYROS: Poios einai o logos ths ektakths synanthshs toy Prwqypoyrgoy me thn k. Aggelopoyloy meta thn proxqesinh diypoyrgikh;

REPPAS: Sthn proxqesinh diypoyrgikh symfwnhsan na synanthqoyn shmera. Einai poly logiko ayto. Qa exoyn th dynatothta na syzhthsoyn qemata poy aforoyn thn proetoimasia ths xwras mas gia toys Olympiakoys Agwnes toy 2004. Den yparxei kati poy na xarakthrizetai ektakto sth synergasia toy Prwqypoyrgoy me stelexh ths kybernhshs kai stelexh organismwn poy diadramatizoyn shmantiko rolo gia megala qemata, opws oi Olympiakoi Agwnes. Gnwrizete oti se ayth thn prospaqeia o Prwqypoyrgos, me th diypoyrgikh epitroph poy leitoyrgei ena xrono kai pleon kai sthn opoia proedreyei, parakoloyqei, epopteyei kai kateyqynei thn prospaqeia twn stelexwn gia thn kalyterh dynath proetoimasia ths xwras mas.

MPOTWNHS: Mporeite na mas peite kati parapanw gia th synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Epitropo ths E.E k. Mparnie; Syzhthqhke to qema toy Kthmatologioy;

REPPAS: Sas parapempw stis dhlwseis poy ekane o Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn Giannos Papantwnioy, meta th synanthsh poy eixe me ton k. Mparnie. O k. Papantwnioy htan safhs se ayto poy eipe. Anaferomenos sto G` K.P.S., gia mia akomh fora tonise th qesh ths kybernhshs, oti oi nees synqhkes poy dhmioyrgoyntai meta thn tromokratikh epiqesh ths 11hs Septembrioy, an kai odhgoyn se epibradynsh twn ryqmwn anaptyjhs, den prokeitai na ephreasoyn thn ektelesh toy programmatos poy afora thn efarmogh toy G` K.P.S. Epishs, oson afora to G` K.P.S., exoyme proxwrhsei, mesw twn proentajewn, sthn ylopoihsh enos shmantikoy posostoy poy fqanei peripoy to 25%. Einai se ejelijh erga ycoys 2,6 trisekatommyriwn draxmwn. Kataqetoyme ola ta aparaithta eggrafa stis armodies yphresies ths E.E., wste mexri teloys Oktwbrioy na exoyme tis aparaithtes egkriseis gia thn ektamieysh enos shmantikoy posoy poy, hdh, exoyme dapanhsei kai fqanei to 1,7 tris. Ayto einai to plaisio twn syzhthsewn metajy ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs kai toy koinotikoy Epitropoy. O k. Mparnie qa syzhthsei eidikotera to qema toy Kthmatologioy me ton armodio ypoyrgo PEXWDE Kwsta Laliwth kai pisteyw oti qa proboyn se dhlwseis, meta th synanthsh toys, wste oloi na gnwrizoyme eidikws gia to qema ayto, poies qeseis diatypwnontai.

IWANNOY: Qa hqela to sxolio sas gia tis xqesines dhlwseis toy Pol Mpremer, sxetika me to oti h xwra mas den exei syllabei kanena melos ths 17N, kaqws kai gia to oti yparxoyn kapoies baseis toy Mpin Lanten kai allwn tromokratikwn organwsewn sth xwra mas, alla kai sthn Amerikh.

REPPAS: Pisteyw oti aytes oi dhlwseis einai astoxes, idiws ayth thn periodo. Oi HPA yphrjan stoxos kai qyma mias tromokratikhs epiqeshs. H Ellada kataballei shmantikh prospaqeia -oi armodies yphresies ths xwras mas synergazontai me tis antistoixes allwn xwrwn, alla kai twn HPA- prokeimenoy na epityxoyme thn ejarqrwsh pyrhnwn poy tromokratoyn kai egklhmatoyn. Den mporei na kathgoreitai h Ellada. Oi dhlwseis aytes, idiaiterws ayth thn periodo, apoteloyn astoxh energeia, h opoia prosferei mono arnhtikh yphresia. Me ayth thn ennoia, oxi mono den symfwnoyme, alla qewroyme oti tetoioy eidoys epiqeseis den antapokrinontai sta gegonota, einai adikes kai prosferoyn arnhtikh yphresia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na sxoliasete thn agwgh poy kanei h dioikhsh toy "Kthmatologioy A.E.", h dioikhsh h opoia kathgoreitai, einai ypodikh gia tria kakoyrghmata malista, enantion ths efhmerias "Xwra" kai zhta 8,5 dis.

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, den yparxei dioikhsh poy na einai ypodikh. Gnwrizete oti den exei kaneis parapemfqei gia na dikastei. Kanete terastio laqos. Enas eisaggelikos leitoyrgos oloklhrwse mia prokatarktikh ejetash. Oyte kan anakrish exei dienerghqei. Pws mporeite na to lete ayto; Deyteron, oson afora thn eleyqeria toy Typoy sthn Ellada, den tiqetai opoiodhpote qema. Isxyei ena nomiko plaisio sto opoio mporei na prosfygei kaqe endiaferomenos poliths poy qewrei oti qigetai kai na xrhsimopoihsei ta endika mesa poy exei sth diaqesh toy. Prepei na pw -kai to dhlwnw ayto- oti ws Ypoyrgos, alla kai ws proswpo, den prokeitai pote na kataqesw agwgh enantion kapoioy MME. Ayth einai mia qesh arxhs kai dikh moy epilogh, para to oti se polla MME, idiaiterws sthn efhmerida sas, blepw toso egw, oso kai alloi synadelfoi, na apokaloymaste "apatewnes", "nonoi" kai "arxikleftes". Pws qa yperaspisoyme ton eayto mas; Epikaloymenoi mono th deontologia, thn opoia prepei na sebeste kai na threite; Ayto den einai arketo. Den einai apotelesmatiko. Blepete ki eseis ti yperbash kanete; Eipate oti einai "ypodikoi". Oydeis einai ypodikos. Apo poy prokyptei ayto; Poia dikonomia exete eseis, thn opoia den gnwrizoyme oloi oi alloi, oyte kan oi dikastes, wste na xarakthrizete "ypodikoys" ...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den askhqhke diwjh gia tria kakoyrghmata;

REPPAS: Kanete terastio laqos. Diataxqhke h dienergeia taktikhs anakrishs. Yparxei terastia diafora. Den exei parapemfqei kaneis gia kapoio adikhma. Se teleytaia analysh -mias kai qesate xqes to qema kapoioy, o opoios perase kapoia stigmh apo organwsh toy PASOK- gnwrizete oti sth dioikhsh ths "Kthmatologio A.E.", h opoia lambanei omofwnes apofaseis, symmetexoyn stelexh poy anhkoyn se diaforoys politikoys xwroys, se diaforoys kommatikoys foreis, symperilambanomenhs kai ths N.D. Stelexh poy exoyn ajiopoihqei apo th N.D., sto prosfato parelqon, se poly shmantikes qeseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti shmasia exei oti einai sth N.D.;

REPPAS: Ayto den exei shmasia gia sas, enw to allo eixe;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, ama exoyn kanei kompines, prepei na toys afhsoyme;

REPPAS: Ayto, omws, qa to pei h Dikaiosynh me thn telikh krish ths. Den qa to peite eseis. Ayth einai h diafora. Gia to poios einai enoxos, qa apofanqei h Dikaiosynh, oxi emeis. Mexri tote, kalo einai, oloi na lambanoyme metra, wste na prostateyoyme thn timh kai thn ypolhch twn sympolitwn mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Metra h na toys kalyptoyme; Eseis lete na toys kalyptoyme.

REPPAS: Oydeis epiqymei na kalycei opoiondhpote exei eyqynh. Opoios exei eyqynh qa dikastei, qa kriqei kai an diapistwqei oti exei eyqynh qa toy apodoqei kai qa katadikastei. Mexri tote, omws, einai pagia arxh ayth -th gnwrizete kai eseis kai egw poy den eimai nomikos- oydeis mporei na qewreitai enoxos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Thn apofash gia th "Xwra" thn phre h dioikhsh toy "Kthmatologioy A.E." h o Prwqypoyrgos me ton k. Laliwth, xqes to meshmeri;

REPPAS: Sta stelexh ayta poy anhkoyn se diaforoys politikoys kai kommatikoys foreis, h kybernhsh, kata th dikh sas ekdoxh, epebale mia apoch. Ayta den einai sobara pragmata. Prepei na exei kapoios megalh kai oxi ygih fantasia, prokeimenoy na ta skeftetai. Sas parakalw, na apofygete ayto to dromo poy exete dialejei. Mhn ton akoloyqeite pia, giati den odhgei poyqena. Qa moy epitrecete na pw, epeidh panta prepei na throyme kapoioys kanones kai na exoyme arxes sth dhmosia symperifora mas kai sthn antiparaqesh se ola ta epipeda, kalo einai na apofygoyme mia tetoia stash, h opoia blaptei to dhmosio bio, dhlhthriazei to dhmosio bio. Blaptei, epishs, toys leitoyrgoys ths enhmerwshs kai toys qesmoys. Den pisteyw se ayth th stash.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poses fores epikoinwnhse, xqes to meshmeri, o k. Laliwths me th dioikhsh; Gnwrizete apo to Majimoy; Exete kapoia plhroforhsh;

REPPAS: Qelete na dhmioyrghsete entypwseis. O k. Laliwths synergazetai stena me th dioikhsh ths "Kthmatologio A.E.", sthn opoia symmetexoyn -epanalambanw- stelexh ta opoia oyte chfisan, oyte prokeitai na chfisoyn to komma mas. Dhladh, den exoyn kanena logo na kanoyn kati gia na sthrijoyn thn kybernhsh. Den toys to zhthse kaneis ayto. Yperaspizontai to ergo toys, yperaspizontai ton eayto toys. Qa toys sterhsoyme ayto to dikaiwma;

GKOGKAS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh qa zhthsei ejhghseis apo thn toyrkikh, dedomenoy oti den milame gia ena aplo dhmosieyma, alla gia ena dhmosieyma to opoio epikaleitai stoixeia twn toyrkikwn mystikwn yphresiwn.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti den exei ekfrasei tetoia qesh h toyrkikh kybernhsh. Fantazeste ti qa ginei, ean gia dhmosieymata ellhnikwn efhmeridwn zhta ejhghseis h toyrkikh kybernhsh apo thn Ellada h ean emeis gia dhmosieymata efhmeridwn mias allhs xwras apeyqynomaste sthn kybernhsh ths xwras ayths kai zhtoyme diafores ejhghseis; Sas lew, omws, gia na prolabw kaqe symperasma sas diaforetiko kai adiko gia thn kybernhsh, oti o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn ths xwras mas, o opoios brisketai sth Sofia kai metajy twn allwn qa exei th dynatothta na synanthqei me ton k. Tzem, ayto to qema qa to qesei. Qa epishmanei, dhladh, oti tetoioy eidoys dhmosieymata einai aparadekta, oti den mporei na ginoyn anekta kai pws qa prepei h toyrkikh kybernhsh na frontisei, wste na apofeygontai aytoy toy eidoys kai pantelws asthriktes epiqeseis.

GARGALAKOS: Pws ajiologeite to gegonos oti o Arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs k. Karamanlhs esteile epistolh ston armodio Epitropo me thn opoia zhta na synexistei h xrhmatodothsh gia to Kthmatologio;

REPPAS: Qa htan ajiopisth ayth h symperifora, oson afora thn eilikrineia toy k. Karamanlh, ean eixe ekdhlwqei h prwtoboylia toy se progenestero xrono. Den mporei na yponomeyei systhmatika, epi polla xronia h N.D. thn prospaqeia ths kybernhshs gia thn katartish toy Eqnikoy Kthmatologioy kai twra, poy h kybernhsh brisketai se syzhthseis me thn E.E., prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyme tis opoies ekkremothtes, ta opoia problhmata exoyn prokycei gia na proxwrhsei to Eqniko Kthmatologio, na erxetai h N.D. -epidiwkontas etsi na ejasfalisei kai ena ek twn ysterwn alloqi- gia na deijei, rixnontas staxth sta matia twn Ellhnwn politwn, oti exei mia symbolh sthn proodo aytoy toy megaloy ergoy. Kalh einai ayth h energeia, arkei na akoloyqhqei kai apo alles prajeis poy qa deixnoyn oti h N.D. exei allajei prosanatolismoys. Giati einai kalo h xqesinh ``Kassandra'' na paroysiazetai shmera ws ``metanooysa Magdalhnh'', alla den einai arketo.

FILHS: To qema twn prosfygwn exei apokthsei jana mia dramatikh epikairothta. H ellhnikh pleyra, emfanizetai me astynomiko tropo na diwxnei toys prosfyges poy erxontai sta synora mas kai apo anatrixiastikes kataggelies fainetai oti organa toy Limenikoy Swmatos exoyn proxwrhsei se basanismoys prosfygwn poy etyxe na breqoyn ston ellhniko xwro, ypo thn -na to poyme etsi- prostasia ths ellhnikhs Politeias. Qa hqela ena sxolio.

REPPAS: Prwta ap` ola, prepei na dwsoyme pantote kai shmera kai kaqe hmera ena mhnyma: Oti ta synora mas froyroyntai. Ta synora mas den einai anoikta, den einai prospelasima gia opoion me laqraio tropo qelei na mpei sthn Ellada. Apo kei kai pera, gnwrizoyme oti yparxoyn problhmata. Idiaiterws oi synqhkes poy dhmioyrgoyntai meta thn prosfath krish, exoyn diogkwsei to reyma laqrometanasteyshs pros thn Ellada. To ergo mas einai dyskolo. Kataballoyme terastia prospaqeia me perissotera kai kalytera, pleon, mesa sth diaqesh mas, alla den prepei se kanenan na diafeygei oti h Ellada -to epanalambanw giati exei thn ajia toy- exei molis 2000 xiliometra ligotera, oson afora to mhkos ths aktogrammhs ths, se sxesh me oloklhrh thn afrikanikh hpeiro. Ayto kanei terastia ta problhmata ta opoia antimetwpizoyme. Den nomizw oti opoioi erxontai sthn Ellada, opoioi katorqwnoyn kai fqanoyn me laqraio tropo sthn Ellada, antimetwpizontai etsi, opws eseis to perigrafete. Ean yparxei kapoio sygkekrimeno peristatiko, parakalw na to anaferete kai na eiste sigoyros oti einai dedomenh h eyaisqhsia kai to endiaferon mas. Giati miloyme gia th zwh, gia thn tyxh twn anqrwpwn poy anazhtoyn kalyterh moira kai dystyxws, synhqws, den th briskoyn. Malista, polloi xanoyn syxna kai th zwh toys. Den mporei, loipon, h dikh mas stash na syndeetai me biaies energeies. Apo thn allh, den einai h Ellada h xwra h opoia qa lysei to problhma twn qymatwn-prosfygwn sthn eyryterh perioxh. Giati eimaste se ayth th zwnh, eimaste pylh eisodoy sthn Eyrwph gia para polloys. Pisteyw oti qa prepei na enteinoyme thn prospaqeia mas kai na steiloyme to mhnyma, oti h Ellada den mporei na ginei xwra ypodoxhs laqrometanastwn. Oyai kai alimono ean symbei to antiqeto, ean, dhladh, polloi qewrhsoyn oti mporoyn na erxontai sthn Ellada, na menoyn edw h na xrhsimopoioyn thn Ellada ws endiameso staqmo gia na metaboyn se mia allh xwra ths Eyrwphs.

FILHS: Apo th stigmh poy erxontai sthn Ellada laqrometanastes, poia einai h antimetwpish toys apo thn pleyra ths ellhnikhs Politeias;

REPPAS: Yparxei plaisio, to opoio threitai. Epilambanontai oi dikastikes, oi eisaggelikes arxes kai analogws ekdidoyn apofaseis.

FILHS: Dhladh, qa steiloyme pisw sto Afganistan toys prosfyges; H erwthsh einai sygkekrimenh twra. Exoyme polemiko klima sto Afganistan. Ekatommyria anqrwpoi, apo aytoys merikes xiliades fqanoyn mexri ta synora mas, feygoyn apo th xwra toys. Ti politikes kai alles prwtoboylies analambanei h Ellada kai h E.E.;

REPPAS: Pera apo to oti milhsate gia thn Ellada kai moy dinete thn eykairia etsi na ypenqymisw oti eimaste xwra ths Synqhkhs Sengken, ara ta synora mas prepei na fylassontai giati einai synora twn xwrwn poy symmetexoyn sth Synqhkh Sengken, prosqetw oti yparxei mia orismenh diadikasia poy akoloyqeitai, epilambanontai oi eisaggelikes arxes, ekdidontai apofaseis apo organa ths Dikaiosynhs kai efarmozontai aytes oi apofaseis. Bebaiws, sthn periptwsh poy prepei kapoioi na epanaprowqhqoyn ston topo apo ton opoio proerxontai, ayto ginetai. Kai gnwrizete kala oti synhqws erxontai apo thn Toyrkia. Gi` ayto, allwste, opws syzhthsame tis prohgoymenes hmeres, exoyme qesei ayto to qema se dimeres epipedo kai otan synanthqhkan prosfatws oi Genikoi Dieyqyntes twn ypoyrgeiwn Ejwterikwn twn dyo xwrwn, alla kai sto parelqon kai se kaqhmerinh sxedon bash to qetoyme, mesw twn antistoixwn yphresiwn. H Toyrkia prepei na fylaei ta synora ths.

FILHS: Gia to Afganistan yparxei ena eidiko qema. Ekei h Dieqnhs Koinothta qewrei oti yparxei tromokratiko kaqestws, kaqestws aneleyqerias. Osoi feygoyn apo ekei dikaioyntai to xarakthrismo kai ta pronomia toy politikoy prosfyga sth xwra mas;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete kala oti h Dieqnhs Koinothta me thn enisxysh ths leitoyrgias, ths drasthriothtas mh kybernhtikwn organwsewn h allwn anqrwpistikwn organwsewn h ths Ypaths Armosteias toy OHE gia toys prosfyges, lambanei metra gia na anakoyfisei aytoys poy plhttontai apo thn krish sto Afganistan. H Ellada exei th mikrh h symbolikh, alla oxi amelhtea, paroysia ths se ayth th bohqeia. Molis prosfatws, kaname sxetikes anakoinwseis. Eseis milate gia mia politikh poy prepei na ekponhqei, mia politikh poy qa afora thn antimetwpish h ypodoxh aytoy toy megaloy kymatos laqrometanasteyshs poy prokaleitai, logw ths krishs sto Afganistan. Ayto einai allo qema. Den mporei h Ellada na einai ekeinh h xwra -ayto qa moy epitrecete na pw, fainetai kai ojymwro- h opoia qa apotelesei th xwra ypodoxhs twn politwn toy Afganistan poy, logw ths krishs sth xwra toys, zhtoyn kalyterh tyxh alloy, sthn Ellada dhladh. Den mporei na paroyme mia tetoia apofash. Ayto na einai safes.

FILHS: Ti metra proteinei h Ellada sto eyrwpaiko plaisio gia thn antimetwpish enos eidikoy problhmatos, kyrie Ypoyrge; Qa to blepoyme syxna mprosta mas. Oi Afganoi den einai oi pashs fysews prosfyges h laqrometanastes. Yparxei eidiko politiko problhma.

REPPAS: To Afganistan antimetwpizei to problhma poy oloi gnwrizoyme. H Ellada den qa apofasisei na einai h xwra, poy qa ypodexqei toys prosfyges apo to Afganistan gia na antimetwpistei etsi to problhma toys. Sas lew oti ayto poy kanoyme einai na energopoihqei akomh perissotero, me th bohqeia olwn mas, h Ypath Armosteia toy OHE, wste oi prosfyges na paramenoyn oso ginetai pio konta sthn estia toys, sthn idia toys th xwra h estw se geitonikes xwres. Den exei ayto kamia sxesh me to kyma laqrometanasteyshs poy antimetwpizoyme sthn Ellada, logw twn ektetamenwn qalassiwn synorwn poy exoyme.

FILHS: Epimenw giati einai qema twn hmerwn ayto. Exoyme 300 anqrwpoys, oi opoioi me ta polemika ploia ths Elladas kai to Limeniko stolo den toys epetraph na erqoyn sthn Ellada ypo kaqestws prostasias. Aytoi oi anqrwpoi proerxontai apo xwra opoy h Dieqnhs Koinothta qewrei oti yparxei politiko problhma, elleich dhmokratias, pragmatikh katastrofh, den einai opoiadhpote xwra toy kosmoy. Ti metra proteinei h ellhnikh kybernhsh sthn Eyrwph, ti na kanei h Eyrwph;

REPPAS: Kanete terastio laqos kai aporw pragmatika gia thn epimonh sas. Asfalws, polloi apo aytoys einai Afganoi. Den to jeroyme, to ypoqetoyme. To ektimoyme, giati pragmati to kyma laqrometanasteyshs, se megalo baqmo, afora Afganoys prosfyges. Kaneis den jerei, ean aytoi proerxontai apo to Afganistan h en tw metajy ta teleytaia xronia exoyn zhsei se mia allh xwra, sthn Toyrkia, to Iran h kapoy alloy. Prepei na exoyme ws apanthsh, oti exoyme synora poy fylassontai. Den qa epitrecoyme se opoiondhpote, me laqraio tropo, na eiselqei sthn Ellada. Ayto prepei na einai jekaqaro. Apo kei kai pera, qa kanoyme o,ti kanoyme -isws kai perissotera, ean mporoyme kai xreiazetai na kanoyme- se synergasia kai me alles xwres, prokeimenoy na enisxyqei, na antapokriqei sthn apostolh ths h Ypath Armosteia toy OHE gia toys prosfyges, gia na meinoyn konta sthn estia toys. Poios leei oti oi polites mias xwras poy exoyn problhma qa prepei na ginontai dektoi se mia xwra kai malista se mia xwra arketa makrinh, qa elega se mia xwra, h opoia ypokeitai se kapoioys alloys periorismoys, se mia xwra poy metexei sth Synqhkh Sengken; Oi polites aytoi, ean parameinoyn sthn Ellada, mporoyn na kinhqoyn se mia allh xwra ths Eyrwphs, katw apo kapoies proypoqeseis.

FILHS: Den einai oikonomikoi prosfyges, prosejte to ayto. To Afganistan exei politiko problhma, den exei oikonomiko problhma.

REPPAS: Polles xwres exoyn analogo problhma. Me th dikh sas ennoia, mias kai milhsate gia thn Toyrkia kai to epipedo sto opoio kineitai h politikh kai h stash ths hgesias ths, oson afora thn antimetwpish qematwn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn, qewreite oti polloi Toyrkoi prepei na ginontai dektoi sthn Ellada, xwris idiaitero elegxo, giati ki ekei antimetwpizoyn politiko problhma. Ara, einai politikoi prosfyges, ayto lete. Antilambaneste oti ayto odhgei se adiejodo kai antifaseis.

FILHS: H Ellada anagnwrizei stoys proerxomenoys apo to Afganistan th dynatothta toy kaqestwtos toy politikoy prosfyga; Gia mia xwra milw, oxi gia oles.

REPPAS: H Ellada einai xwra ths opoias ta synora fylassontai. Den ginontai dektoi opoioi prospaqoyn na eiselqoyn laqraiws sth xwra mas. H Ellada enisxyei to ergo ths Ypaths Armosteias toy OHE. Enisxyei to ergo mh kybernhtikwn organwsewn poy drasthriopoioyntai sto Afganistan, to Pakistan, sthn perioxh ekeinh, prokeimenoy na anakoyfistoyn oi prosfyges, na parameinoyn oso ginetai pio konta stis esties toys, mesa sth xwra toys h estw se geitonikes xwres. Jekaqara pragmata.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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