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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 5 Septembrioy 2001

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Qelw na sas enhmerwsw, prin dexqw tis erwthseis sas, oti to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, thn epomenh ebdomada gia thn eisagwgh kai xrhsimopoihsh toy "Eyrw" sth xwra mas, qa ginei thn Trith (11/9) kai oxi thn Pempth, opws sas anakoinwsa xqes, epeidh thn Pempth o Dioikhths ths Trapezas ths Ellados k. Papadhmos exei aneilhmmenh ypoxrewsh. Prepei na brisketai sth Frankfoyrth, sth diaskech twn Dioikhtwn twn Kentrikwn Trapezwn twn xwrwn ths Eyrwzwnhs. Kai epeidh se ayth th synedriash toy ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, ektos apo ton Ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Oikonomias qa einai kai o Dioikhths ths Trapezas ths Ellados basikos eishghths, afoy h Trapeza ths Ellados exei shmantikh armodiothta sto qema ayto, metatiqetai h synedriash gia thn Trith.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Thn tetrimmenh erwthsh: Eide to fws ths dhmosiothtas shmera mia dhmoskophsh, exei kapoia apotelesmata. Ypoqetw oti gnwrizete ta apotelesmata ths, gi` ayto qa hqela ena sxolio.

REPPAS: Emeis gnwrizoyme panw apo ola oti exoyme ypoxrewsh kai kaqhkon na askoyme ta kaqhkonta mas me oso ginetai megalyterh synepeia kai apotelesmatikothta. Ayto ektima o laos. Ayto einai pros to symferon ths xwras. Kai otan emeis epitygxanoyme kalytera apotelesmata, tote kai h agaph kai h empistosynh twn politwn pros thn kybernhsh kai thn paratajh mas qa ekdhlwnetai ws stoixeio tetoiwn dhmoskophsewn. Asfalws, einai kati to opoio apotelei qetikh katagrafh. Gia mia akomh fora, omws, tonizw oti den mas pagideyoyn, den mas apoprosanatolizoyn ta opoia qetika stoixeia yparxoyn gia mas se ereynes, dhmoskophseis, metrhseis twn diaqesewn twn politwn. Ayto to opoio proexei einai na efarmosoyme to programma mas. Pisteyw oti o ellhnikos laos ektima oti h kybernhsh exei programma, exei sygkekrimeno sxedio gia to mellon ths xwras. Emeis kaname kai kanoyme laqh. To anagnwrizoyme ayto. Leme, omws, thn alhqeia ston ellhniko lao kai panw apo ola exoyme apokthsei mia tetoia sxesh empistosynhs kai symporeyshs me tis platyteres, tis eyryteres dynameis ths ellhnikhs koinwnias, wste ayto na apotelei thn kalyterh bash gia th nikhfora prooptikh ths kybernhshs se oles tis anametrhseis poy erxontai.

SOYGLERHS: Shmera h Eqnikh Omada podosfairoy paizei sth Finlandia gia ta prokrimatika. Giati apoysiazei h ellhnikh thleorash, mias kai einai toso krisimo to paixnidi;

REPPAS: Eyxomaste kalh epityxia sthn ellhnikh omada. Gnwrizete poly kala oti dystyxws den exei prooptikh prokrishs ston epomeno gyro h Eqnikh Omada Podosfairoy, logw twn apotelesmatwn ths stoys prohgoymenoys agwnes. Ara, den mporei na xarakthrisei kaneis krisimo ayto to paixnidi, to opoio bebaiws einai endiaferon. Oi thleoptikoi staqmoi kai h dhmosia thleorash exoyn ta dika toys krithria, wste na apofasizoyn gi` ayta ta qemata.

SOYRMELIDHS: Mhpws, mporeite na ginete pio sygkekrimenos se o,ti afora ta laqh ta opoia exei kanei h kybernhsh sas, toylaxiston sto qema twn taytothtwn;

REPPAS: Eseis prosdiorizete ena sygkekrimeno qema kai qewreite oti exoyme kanei laqh.

SOYRMELIDHS: Eseis to eipate, k. Ypoyrge. Syggnwmh, milhsate gia laqh.

REPPAS: Oxi, gia to qema twn taytothtwn. Eseis qewreite oti opwsdhpote yparxei laqos sto qema twn taytothtwn. Ayth einai h diafora mas.

SOYRMELIDHS: Peste mas ena laqos apo ayta poy ennoeite.

REPPAS: Mporw na anaferqw gia paradeigma sth diatypwsh ths prwths qeshs mas, oson afora to asfalistiko zhthma kai thn antimetwpish toy. Gnwrizete poly kala oti epilejame enan allo tropo na proseggisoyme kai na lysoyme to qema. Ayth thn periodo organwnetai diaskech ths GSEE gia to qema ayto. Qa anamenoyme ta porismata ayths ths diaskechs. Sto plaisio enos oysiastikoy dialogoy poy prepei na akoloyqhsei, qa anazhthsoyme koinh lysh. Pisteyw oti ayto einai pros to symferon olwn. Ayto poy exei shmasia einai toyto: Asfalws ginontai laqh. Ayto to opoio prepei na pw gia mia akomh fora einai oti emeis leme thn alhqeia ston ellhniko lao, antiqeta me alles paratajeis, antiqeta me thn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh, poy enw einai h paratajh ths oligarxias kai toy katesthmenoy, enw exei mia politikh dixasmoy kai misallodojias, epixeirei kata kairoys na metamfiezetai, alla to proswpeio ths den jegela kanenan polith.

SOYRMELIDHS: Thn wra poy exei ftasei sth Boylh to zhthma gia prowrh sygkentrwsh xrhmatwn gia ta aytokinhta, ths tajhs twn peripoy 70 disekatommyriwn, opws ypologizetai. Pws ayto symbibazetai me ejaggelies kai metra poy qa doqoyn an yparxoyn problhmata ston trexonta Proypologismo kai pws qa ginoyn ola ta alla poy eipwqhkan xqes sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph;

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, einai swsto -pisteyw oti einai ena orqo metro ths leitoyrgias ths Dhmosias Dioikhshs- to na exoyme egkairws thn eisprajh esodwn poy einai aparaithta, prokeimenoy na leitoyrghsei apotelesmatika to Dhmosio. Apo ekei kai pera, gnwrizete poly kala oti ta metra poy anakoinwqhkan einai metra poy exoyme th dynatothta na qesoyme se efarmogh twra, logw allwn paragontwn. Kai basikoteros aytwn einai oti petyxame me thn politikh mas na meiwsoyme to dhmosio xreos, na meiwsoyme to epipedo twn epitokiwn. Exoyme ejoikonomhsh shmantikwn porwn poy toys diaqetoyme gia koinwnikh prostasia. Exoyme pei oti systatiko stoixeio ths anaptyjiakhs diadikasias ths xwras mas einai h enswmatwsh se ayth th diadikasia toy synoloy twn koinwnikwn dynamewn kai taytoxronws h ekdhlwsh ths allhleggyhs mas me emprakto tropo, me sygkekrimena metra politikhs apenanti stoys sympolites mas poy exoyn anagkh ayth th sthrijh apo thn Politeia. H politikh poy akoloyqoyme exei apodwsei karpoys. Aytoys toys karpoys dianemoyme me tetoio tropo, wste h koinwnikh dikaiosynh poy diapneei thn politikh mas na einai fanerh kai apth se oloys toys polites. Den exei kamia sxesh, loipon, to ena me to allo. Allwste, gnwrizete poly kala oti ta metra ayta aforoyn mia dapanh enos poly shmantikoy posoy poy jeperna to ena trisekatommyrio draxmes. Apo ayth th sygkrish kai monon twn dyo poswn mporei na bgalei kaneis to symperasma oti ayta ta opoia lew, einai ayta akribws ta opoia qa prepei na dexqeite ki eseis ws alhqh.

GARGALAKOS: H antipoliteysh, sxedon sysswmh, kritikarei aytes tis ejaggelies toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai mila gia cixoyla, mila gia ena 5xiliaro k.t.l. Exete kapoio sxolio;

REPPAS: Pisteyw oti h N.D. memcimoirei, epeidh akribws apogohteyetai, blepontas thn kybernhsh na akoloyqei me synepeia thn politikh poy exei ejaggeilei pros ton ellhniko lao, o opoios thn eisprattei me poly qetiko tropo. Gnwrizete, gia paradeigma, oti ginetai polys logos gia thn ayjhsh twn syntajewn poy dinontai stoys agrotes. Den miloyme genikws gia tis agrotikes syntajeis -poy gnwrizete oti kinoyntai se diafora epipeda- alla gia to epidoma poy dinetai stoys agrotes, se aytoys dhladh poy den exoyn kataballei kamia asfalistikh eisfora, prokeimenoy na laboyn syntajh. Prokeitai, loipon, peri epidomatos. H ayjhsh, loipon, ayth twn 5.000 draxmwn einai shmantikh. Kapoioi prospaqoyn na meiwsoyn th shmasia ths. Kyriws, to epixeiroyn ayto ekeinoi, oi opoioi, otan kybernhsan, edinan syntajeis 15.000 draxmwn, me plhqwrismo malista 14%. Shmera poy o plhqwrismos kineitai se poly xamhla epipeda, oi syntajeis einai panw apo 48.000 draxmes. H allagh einai shmantikh. Oson afora tis 5.000 draxmes poy qa doqoyn gia tis agrotikes syntajeis kai to EKAS, h ayjhsh ayth den prepei na ypobaqmizetai me tetoio tropo, me stoxo na apajiwnetai h politikh ths kybernhshs, giati h synolikh dapanh gi` ayto to 5xilairo jeperna ta 400 disekatommyria draxmes. To poso ayto einai poly megalo. Opoioi epixeiroyn na meiwsoyn th shmasia ayths ths koinwnikhs prospaqeias mas, antistrateyontai thn koinh logikh kai se teleytaia analysh den ginontai pisteytoi apo toys polites.

GARGALAKOS: Katagrafetai ena adiejodo, oson afora th synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai toy Arxiepiskopoy. H Ierarxia phre qesh kai eipe oti den epiqymei synanthsh poy den qa syzhthqei to qema twn taytothtwn. H kybernhsh, dia toy ypoyrgoy Paideias, alla kai me esas, exei parei qesh oti einai anoikth gia dialogo, arkei na mhn teqei to qema twn taytothtwn. Mhpws qa htan kairos na kanoyn kai oi dyo pleyres ena bhma pisw kai na yparjei mia synanthsh xwris proapaitoymena, dhladh me anoikth atzenta;

REPPAS: Prosypografoyme tis dhlwseis toy ypoyrgoy Eqnikhs Paideias kai Qrhskeymatwn.

MPEQANH: Erxomenh edw, akoysa mia eidhsh poy synista mia tragwdia. Sto Mantoydi ths Eyboias entopisthke ena toyrkiko skafos, an den kanw laqos, to opoio metefere laqrometanastes, metajy twn opoiwn htan kai kapoia paidia. Merikoi peqanan kai toys petajan sth qalassa. Qa hqela to sxolio ths kybernhshs kai an qa lhfqoyn kapoia metra se synergasia me th geitonikh xwra.

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti, antiqeta me osa kapoioi yposthrizoyn, einai orqo na syzhtoyme me thn Toyrkia qemata antimetwpishs problhmatwn, opws to sygkekrimeno, to megalo problhma ths laqrometanasteyshs. To kyma twn laqrometanastwn kineitai pros thn Ellada apo thn Toyrkia kai oxi antistrofws. Exoyme, loipon, kaqe symferon, metajy twn allwn, na syzhtoyme kai ayto to qema. Na, loipon, giati einai xrhsimh ayth h epikoinwnia, aytos o dialogos gia qemata aytoy toy epipedoy. Kata ta alla, h tragikh moira aytwn twn anqrwpwn poy anazhtoyn kalyteres synqhkes zwhs, polles fores sfragizetai me to qanato toys. Exoyme gnwsh toy peristatikoy. Oi armodies yphresies -kai oi polites- kanoyn o,ti einai dynaton, prokeimenoy na frontisoyn toys anqrwpoys poy exoyn anagkh ayth thn wra. Prosferoyn tis prwtes bohqeies gia thn ygeia kai thn epibiwsh toys. Epishs, klimakio toy OAED speydei epi topoy gia na ejetasei to qema. Apo ekei kai pera, prepei na pw oti se arketes periptwseis sto prosfato parelqon, oi armodies yphresies ths Toyrkias exoyn symballei, wste na epistrefoyn oi laqrometanastes sthn Toyrkia, apo opoy jekinhsan. Emeis ayto poy prepei na kanoyme einai na enteinoyme th fylajh twn qalassiwn synorwn mas kai en pash periptwsei, h xwra mas exei synora ta opoia -prepei na to tonisoyme ayto- fylassontai kai den einai epitrepth, me paranomo tropo, h eisodos sthn Ellada opoioydhpote, akomh kai ekeinoy poy exei toso megales zwtikes anagkes. Bebaiws, otan briskomaste apenanti se tetoioy eidoys fainomena, kanoyme o,ti einai dynato me bash thn arxh toy sebasmoy ths anqrwpinhs ajioprepeias.

KARAMPASHS: Qa hqela na kanw mia erwthsh gia to "Eyrw", epeidh kai to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio qa synedriasei gia ayto to qema. Mas menoyn treishmisi mhnes gia thn ylopoihsh aytoy toy gigantiaioy ergoy allaghs olhs ths oikonomias. H kybernhsh einai ikanopoihmenh apo thn enhmerwtikh kampania poy exei ginei mexri shmera;

REPPAS: Kai monon oti to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio synedriazei se liges hmeres me antikeimeno syzhthshs to qema ayto, apodeiknyei me ton kalytero tropo to endiaferon kai th shmasia poy dinoyme se ayto to shmantiko qema. Qa allajei h zwh mas se oloys toys tomeis. Kai se pragmatiko kai se cyxologiko h symboliko epipedo. Pisteyoyme oti h proetoimasia poy exei ginei einai shmantikh. Eimaste etoimoi, prokeimenoy na xrhsimopoihsoyme to neo, to koino eyrwpaiko nomisma. Qymizw oti kai alles fores sto prosfato parelqon, h xwra mas kai alles xwres antimetwpisan alloy eidoys, alla analoghs shmasias qemata, problhmata, opws ayto toy ioy ths xilietias, opws onomasthke. Ta problhmata ayta ta antimetwpisame me epityxia. Pisteyoyme oti to sygkekrimeno zhthma poy mas apasxolei, kaqws plhsiazei h wra, kaqws teleiwnei o xronos, olo kai perissotero qa sygkentrwnei thn prosoxh mas, prokeimenoy na to antimetwpisoyme, pleon, stis leptomereies toy. Eimaste katallhla proetoimasmenoi kai antimetwpizoyme ayto to qema.

KARAMPASHS: Epishs, to idio xroniko diasthma, qa anakoinwqoyn ta epishma stoixeia ths Eqnikhs Statistikhs Yphresias gia thn apografh. Me bash ta osa gnwrizoyme, qa yparjoyn allages sthn katanomh twn edrwn. H Kybernhsh, me bash kai ayto to gegonos, qa antimetwpisei tote allagh ths eklogikhs nomoqesias; To ejetazei ayto to endexomeno;

REPPAS: Exoyme pei oti opoiadhpote syzhthsh gyrw apo to qema ayto poy afora to eklogiko systhma, qa ginei se synennohsh me tis alles politikes dynameis. Den prokyptei kati kainoyrgio, oson afora to sygkekrimeno zhthma. H opoia prwtoboylia, qa analhfqei, an kai oi alles politikes dynameis ths xwras qewrhsoyn oti einai wrimes oi synqhkes gia na syzhthqei to qema ayto.

XRHSTAKOS: O ypoyrgos Ergasias epibebaiwse to prwi oti apo ta asfalistika tameia exoyn xaqei peripoy 600 dis. poy paixthkan sto Xrhmatisthrio. Einai ayto ena akomh laqos ths kybernhshs kai pws protiqeste na to antimetwpisete;

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, den einai swsto ayto poy lete. Kai aporw pws diatypwnete etsi thn erwthsh sas, qewrwntas oti o k. Giannitshs milhse gia laqos h gia apwleia aytoy toy shmantikoy posoy apo ta tameia twn asfalistikwn organismwn. Kaqe allo. Exete ypoch sas thn epistolh poy exei steilei, apantwntas se antistoixh epistolh toy k. Ebert; Sthn epistolh ayth, loipon, yparxoyn oi apanthseis stis aitiaseis kai toys isxyrismoys toy k. Ebert. O k. Giannitshs -epeidh exw milhsei mazi toy- kaqe allo, para ayth thn anafora kanei. Ta qemata ayta exoyn syzhthqei, kat` epanalhch. Apo ekei kai pera, h syzhthsh gia ton Koinwniko Proypologismo, epeidh kai to qema ayto eqese o k. Ebert, einai ek toy perissoy. Gnwrizete oti tis epomenes hmeres qa anakoinwqei o neos Koinwnikos Proypologismos, opws epishs to Septembrio toy persinoy etoys anakoinwqhke o prohgoymenos. Den yparxei, loipon, kanena qema pros syzhthsh. Ayto to qema twn apoqematikwn h twn xrhmatwn twn asfalistikwn tameiwn exei syzhthqei kata koron. Kamia sxesh me thn alhqeia.

Sas eyxaristw.

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