Greek Government Press Briefing, 01-08-28

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 28 Aygoystoy 2001

JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

O Prwqypoyrgos epikoinwnhse, shmera to prwi, me ton Prwqypoyrgo ths Albanias k. Meta, se synexeia sxetikoy sygxarhthrioy thlegrafhmatos, poy toy eixe aposteilei. Toy epanelabe th qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs kai to endiaferon mas na synexisoyme th synergasia me thn kybernhsh ths geitonikhs xwras gia thn antimetwpish qematwn dimeroys kai polymeroys endiaferontos. Bebaiws, toy tonise thn idiaiterh shmasia poy dinoyme sto rolo, ton opoio diadramatizei h ellhnikh meionothta sto geitoniko kratos.

Epishs, qa moy epitrecete na kanw ena sxolio me aformh tis anakoinwseis ths Ierarxias ths Ekklhsias ths Elladas, tis opoies akoysame me endiaferon kai prosoxh. Prokeitai gia epanalhch ths gnwsths qeshs ths Ekklhsias gia to sygkekrimeno zhthma twn deltiwn taytothtwn. Diapistwnoyme oti h diatypwsh ths qeshs ths Ekklhsias ginetai, ws na mhn exei mesolabhsei h ekdosh ths rhths kai desmeytikhs apofashs toy StE. H kybernhsh exei diatypwsei thn telikh qesh ths, th qesh poy elabe me gnwmona to sebasmo twn dikaiwmatwn twn politwn kai to symferon ths xwras. Se mia eynomoymenh politeia to Syntagma kai oi nomoi prosdiorizoyn akribws ta dikaiwmata kai tis ypoxrewseis olwn anejairetws twn politwn. Anamenoyme apo thn Ekklhsia na epitelesei ton koinwniko kai pneymatiko rolo ths. Entypwsh prokalei h stash toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. H qesh ths N.D. apotelei ena oionei khrygma kata ths nomimothtas. H N.D. epimenei sthn antimetwpish toy qematos me bash thn proairetikh anagrafh toy qrhskeymatos sto astynomiko deltio taytothtas toy kaqe polith, thn wra poy to Anwtato Dioikhtiko Dikasthrio ths xwras, to StE, exei ekdwsei th gnwsth se oloys shmantikh apofash toy.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, aplws epanalhch twn qesewn ths Ekklhsias htan ta osa eipe o k. Xristodoylos; Dhladh, to oti oi fraseis kai oi anafores toy gi aytarxiko kratos, gia to poios mporei na agnoei 3.000.000 kai kati ypografes, to qewreite eseis aplh epanalhch;

REPPAS: To keimeno twn anakoinwsewn toy Arxiepiskopoy einai sth diaqesh sas. To exw ki egw edw mprosta moy. Gnwrizete oti polloi xarakthrismoi, yperbolikoi, akraioi kai atyxeis, exoyn ginei kai sto parelqon gia synafh qemata. Mporw ki egw na anaferqw se alla apospasmata ayths ths anakoinwshs, poy metajy twn allwn anaferei gia paradeigma, oti h Ekklhsia den qelei na emplakei sthn politikh antiparaqesh, oti sebetai ola ta politika kommata, oti den antidikei me thn kybernhsh. Ola ayta, bebaiws, exei shmasia na anakoinwnontai. Exei, omws, akomh megalyterh shmasia na apodeiknyontai sthn prajh.

Ayto to opoio emeis, ayth thn wra, prepei na antimetwpisoyme einai ena sygkekrimeno zhthma: To zhthma ayto prokaleitai, logw ths qeshs ths Ierarxias ths Ekklhsias ths Elladas, thn opoia to StE aporriptei ws antisyntagmatikh kai mh nomimh. Ara, loipon, h kybernhsh, peran ths politikhs epiloghs poy ekane mia dedomenh stigmh, exei se metagenestero xrono thn apofash toy StE, poy ths qetei ayto to nomiko, pleon, periorismo gia to plaisio entos toy opoioy prepei na kinhqei. Gi ayto, loipon, paramenoyme se ayth th qesh. Shmasia exei, pera apo toys xarakthrismoys, na doyme thn oysia toy qematos. Emeis exoyme diatypwsei th qesh mas me eyqynh kai safhneia. Pisteyoyme oti h qesh ayth einai kai politika orqh. Nomika, pleon, einai katoxyrwmenh. Einai mia qesh, thn opoia labame me gnwmona to sebasmo twn dikaiwmatwn twn politwn. Kai opws exoyme pei, kat epanalhch, h politikh gia to sebasmo twn dikaiwmatwn twn politwn, den ypakoyei stoys kanones ths pleiochfias kai ths meiochfias. Kai enas poliths sto synolo toy plhqysmoy mias xwras exei dikaiwmata, ta opoia prepei na ginontai sebasta. Den einai dynato, dhladh, h syntriptikh pleiochfia twn politwn mias xwras na labei apofaseis, oi opoies qa antistrateyontai ta dikaiwmata estw kai enos polith. Me ayth thn ennoia, loipon, qa prepei na parameinoyme se ayth thn epilogh poy kaname, giati qewroyme oti einai h orqh epilogh.

MIXAHL: H hgesia ths Ekklhsias exei zhthsei epafes me ta kommata kai me thn kybernhsh. O Prwqypoyrgos parepemce ston k. Eyqymioy k.lp. An mporeite na mas peite, to PASOK h antiproswpeia toy PASOK qa dexqei thn antiproswpeia ths Ierarxias;

REPPAS: Den exei diatypwqei tetoio aithma.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Symfwna me ayto poy eipate, k. Ekproswpe, kai jexwra apo to qema twn taytothtwn, na mh to syndeoyme, giati agnoeite ta 3.000.000 twn politwn poy zhtoyn na energopoihqei h syntagmatikh diatajh gia th dienergeia dhmochfismatwn;

REPPAS: Den agnooyme thn pleiochfia twn politwn. Antiqetws, sebomaste thn pleiochfia twn politwn ths xwras kai ayto to apodeiknyoyme me to na exoyme ton idio sebasmo gia to synolo twn politwn ayths ths xwras. Kai aytoys poy anhkoyn se mia pleiochfia gia ena sygkekrimeno qema, alla kai aytoys poy anhkoyn se mia meiochfia gia to idio qema. H kybernhsh me th stash ths deixnei oti sebetai to synolo twn politwn ayths ths xwras, twn opoiwn ta atomika dikaiwmata qelei na ginoyn sebasta kai ta katoxyrwnei me thn politikh ths. Apo kei kai pera, oi diadikasies -to problepei allwste to Syntagma- basei twn opoiwn mporoyme na proxwrhsoyme se dhmochfisma, einai gnwstes. Den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn prwtoboylia thn opoia anelabe h Ierarxia ths Ekklhsias ths Elladas. Gnwrizete kala -gia na anaferqw kai pali sthn ypokritikh kai dhmagwgikh stash toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs- oti h N.D. den kanei kamia mneia gia to qema toy dhmochfismatos, para to oti epifanh stelexh ths kai h hgesia ths exoyn ypogracei to sxetiko keimeno. Pisteyoyme oti h politikh poy akoloyqoyme einai politikh sebasmoy twn dikaiwmatwn toy synoloy twn politwn ayths ths xwras. Kai oson afora ta dikaiwmata twn politwn, den xwrei diakrish metajy pleiochfia kai meiochfias. Ayth einai h swsth qesh.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Eseis eipate oti sebeste akomh kai to dikaiwma enos polith. Kai egw sas rwthsa, giati perifroneite ta tria ekatommyria twn politwn poy qeloyn na energopoihqei o nomos gia th diejagwgh dhmochfismatwn, anejarthtws twn ypografwn.

REPPAS: Giati sto qema toy sebasmoy twn atomikwn dikaiwmatwn den isxyoyn oi kanones ths pleiochfias kai ths meiochfias. Eseis anafereste se mia pleiochfia poy diamorfwqhke, kata th dikh sas ekdoxh, gia ena qema. Ta qemata twn atomikwn dikaiwmatwn den ypakoyoyn se aytoys toys kanones. To StE, me thn poly shmantikh apofash toy, kanei mia tomh. Prepei na ginei sebasth ayth h apofash. Kai apodeiknyei oti einai kai nomika orqh h politika orqh apofash poy exei labei h kybernhsh.

PAPADOPOYLOS: O Makariotatos shmera eipe oti panw apo to StE yparxei kai to Eidiko Dikasthrio to opoio mporei na bgalei mia telesidikh apofash. Ara, yparxei akomh ena periqwrio nomikhs taktopoihshs.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti ekproswpoi koinwnikwn forewn h kai ths Ekklhsias anelaban thn prwtoboylia na prosfygoyn sto StE. Se mia syntetagmenh, eynomoymenh Politeia, kaqe poliths exei to dikaiwma na anaferetai sta organa ths Dikaiosynhs toy kratoys, epidiwkontas thn ekdosh mias apofashs yper twn apocewn toy. Alla, otan h apofash poy ekdidei to armodio organo, to dikasthrio, einai apofash poy den ton kalyptei, den shmainei oti den prepei na ginetai sebasth, den shmainei oti den prepei na threitai, oti den prepei na efarmozetai. Antiqetws, oi apofaseis aytes prepei na ginontai sebastes kai na efarmozontai apo oloys.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Etsi opws ta lete eseis kai etsi opws ta leei h Ekklhsia, h kaqe mia pleyra paroysiazei ta dika ths epixeirhmata kai qewrei oti exei dikio. O aplos poliths omws poy parakoloyqei toys ekproswpoys ths kybernhshs kai ths dioikhshs ths Ekklhsias, blepei oti yparxei ena adiejodo. H Politeia, sthn prokeimenh periptwsh, qa epimeinei sth diaiwnish aytoy toy adiejodoy; Kai gia logoys koinwnikoys akomh h politikoys.

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, to adiejodo ayto synthreitai kai anaparagetai otan, me dedomenh thn ekdosh ths apofashs toy StE, kapoies pleyres, kapoioi foreis epimenoyn sth diatypwsh mias qeshs, h opoia erxetai se eyqeia antiqesh me thn apofash toy dikasthrioy. Pisteyoyme oti h politikh syzhthsh, h syzhthsh h pneymatikh, h qeologikh syzhthsh, h opoia egine olh thn prohgoymenh periodo gyrw apo ola ayta ta qemata, mporoyse na pei kaneis oti htan xrhsimh. Apo thn wra, omws, poy exei ekdoqei gia to qema ayto h apofash toy StE, h syzhthsh ayth prepei na stamathsei, giati einai adiejodh kai prepei pleon oi sxeseis Politeias-Ekklhsias na aforoyn alla qemata poy yparxoyn kai prepei na apotelesoyn antikeimeno apo koinoy antimetwpishs. To qema twn taytothtwn adikws monopwlei tis sxeseis Politeias-Ekklhsias. Gi` ayto den eyqynetai h kybernhsh. Kaqe allo. Pisteyoyme oti qa prepei, me aytosygkrathsh, cyxraimia, nhfaliothta, me eyqynh kai aisqhsh eqnikoy kai koinwnikoy symferontos, na antimetwpisoyme ayto to qema. Emeis ws kybernhsh, ayth thn proseggish exoyme epilejei. Kaloyme na kanoyn to idio kai oloi oi alloi foreis.

KOYIN: Hqela na sas rwthsw, pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh ton ogko, ton ariqmo twn ypografwn poy paroysiase h Ekklhsia shmera. Anemene enan tetoio ariqmo gyrw sta tria ekatommyria; Ejeplagh apo ayto ton ariqmo;

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, o ariqmos twn ypografwn poy syllexqhkan den einai stoixeio poy mporei na ephreasei h na kaqorisei thn politikh epilogh mias kybernhshs. Giati, apo kairo, se anypopth stigmh, poly prin anakoinwqei o ariqmos twn ypografwn poy exoyn syllexqei apo toys ekproswpoys ths Ekklhsias, exoyme diatypwsei th qesh, oti o sebasmos twn dikaiwmatwn twn politwn den ypakoyei stoys kanones ths pleiochfias kai ths meiochfias. Den prokalei ekplhjh o ontws megalos ariqmos twn ypografwn poy exoyn syllexqei, gia ton aploystato logo -poy oloi gnwrizoyme, allwste- oti sthn Ellada o ariqmos twn pistwn poy anhkoyn sthn Orqodojh Ekklhsia einai poly megalyteros.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti den eyqynetai h kybernhsh gi` ayto to opoio exei dhmioyrghqei. H kybernhsh den ekane ayto to nomo; Poios ton ekane;

REPPAS: O nomos gia thn Prostasia twn Proswpikwn Dedomenwn gnwrizete oti einai enas nomos poy chfisthke...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia tis taytothtes lew.

REPPAS: ... apo th Boylh twn Ellhnwn kai eprepe na teqei se efarmogh. To Qrhskeyma -oloi to anagnwrizoyn- einai eyaisqhto proswpiko dedomeno kai prepei na prostateyetai. Me ayth thn ennoia, loipon, h kybernhsh proxwrhse se efarmogh aytoy toy nomoy poy chfise h Boylh twn Ellhnwn apo to 1997, se oles ekeines tis aparaithtes energeies, prokeimenoy na isxysei aytos o nomos gia na ginoyn sebasta kai na throyntai ta dikaiwmata twn politwn, idiws ston tomea ths prostasias twn eyaisqhtwn proswpikwn dedomenwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Me eyqynh ths kybernhshs egine pantws. Giati, lete oti den eyqynetai.

REPPAS: H kybernhsh ekane mia nomoqetikh tomh poy htan aparaithth sthn kateyqynsh eksygxronismoy ths xwras. Apo ekei kai pera, oi antidraseis h o tropos me ton opoio proseggisan to qema ayto alloi foreis, einai akribws h aitia poy odhghse ta pragmata se ayto to shmeio kai toys idioys toys foreis sto analogo adiejodo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H Ekklhsia qa prosfygei sto Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio. Otan ekdoqei h apofash kai einai yper ths Ekklhsias h kybernhsh qa thn efarmosei;

REPPAS: Xwris h Ekklhsia na exei kan prosfygei sto Dikasthrio ayto qelete na sxoliasoyme thn apofash poy eseis, malista, gnwrizete oti qa einai kai qetikh yper ths Ekklhsias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipa, ean paei.

REPPAS: Den qa kanoyme syzhthsh, ayth thn wra, gi ayto to qema me toso akraies ypoqeseis. H Ekklhsia exei dikaiwma na xrhsimopoihsei ola ta endika mesa poy exei sth diaqesh ths, prosfeygontas sta eqnika h dieqnh dikasthria. Apo ekei kai pera, bebaiws, oi apofaseis twn dikasthriwn ginontai sebastes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati, k. Ypoyrge, den pragmatopoihqhke shmera h synanthsh toy k. Skandalidh me ton Prwqypoyrgo;

REPPAS: Giati, den pragmatopoieitai kai h synedriash ths epitrophs qesewn toy PASOK, poy eprokeito na ginei, afoy h xqesinh synedriash toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy htan toso paragwgikh kai apotelesmatikh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epeidh to eixate anakoinwsei, xqes.

REPPAS: Bebaiws, alla xqes to brady apofasisthke oti to programma allazei sto shmeio ayto, giati den xreiazetai na ginei ayth h synanthsh, dedomenhs ths oysiastikhs xqesinhs polywrhs synedriashs toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, fainetai oti briskomaste se mia koryfwsh ths rhjhs twn sxesewn anamesa sthn Politeia, thn kybernhsh an qelete, kai thn Ekklhsia. Me dedomenes tis yparxoyses kinhseis, qa hqela na rwthsw an qa prepei na anamenoyme apo thn kybernhsh kapoioy eidoys prwtoboylia, ejw apo to qesmiko epipedo gia to opoio eimaste hdh gnwstes, se epipedo dialogoy, se epipedo politikhs kinhshs h otidhpote allo.

REPPAS: H qesh poy exei diatypwsei h kybernhsh, metajy twn allwn, emperiexei kai to stoixeio ayto ths prosklhshs se dialogo pros thn Eklhsia gia qemata koinoy endiaferontos poy pantws metajy aytwn den mporei na perilambanetai to qema twn taytothtwn. Giati, to qema ayto einai qema apokleistikhs armodiothtas ths Politeias, einai qema gia to opoio exoyme labei thn apofash mas me gnwmona to symferon ths xwras kai to sebasmo twn dikaiwmatwn twn politwn.

ANTYPAS: Thn erxomenh Trith qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, opws mas anakoinwsate xqes. Qa akoloyqhsoyn ejaggelies toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti o Prwqypoyrgos thn ebdomada ayth qa exei synanthsh kai synergasia me to oikonomiko epiteleio ths kybernhshs gia mia akomh fora. Thn erxomenh Trith, pragmati, qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph me antikeimeno syzhthshs thn oikonomikh politikh ths kybernhshs. Efoson lhfqoyn sxetikes apofaseis qa ginoyn oi analoges anakoinwseis. Alla, den einai orqo, ayth thn wra, prin lhfqoyn telikes apofaseis na eikasw egw poios einai o tropos me ton opoio qa anakoinwsei tis apofaseis aytes h kybernhsh, afoy akomh den exoyn lhfqei.

PAPADOPOYLOS: Ayto ton ariqmo twn ypografwn h kybernhsh kai eidikotera h kybernhsh toy PASOK tis prosferei sth Nea Dhmokratia h sthn Ekklhsia; Mesa se aytes tis ypografes den yparxoyn stelexh h melh h opadoi toy PASOK poy eixan ayth thn apoch;

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola, den mas afora kai den mas apasxolei o ariqmos twn ypografwn poy syllexqhkan. Einai ena qema poy den exei epiptwsh sthn politikh poy akoloyqoyme. To lew ayto, epanalambanontas gia mia akomh fora kai me emfash twra, oti den einai dynaton ta dikaiwmata twn politwn na ypakoyoyn stoys kanones ths pleiochfias kai ths meiochfias. O ariqmos twn ypografwn einai megalos. Mporei na ektimhsei basima o opoiosdhpote oti metajy aytwn poy exoyn ypogracei einai kai polites, oi opoioi exoyn chfisei to PASOK stis eklogikes anametrhseis. Polites, oi opoioi qa chfisoyn to diko mas komma kai stis epomenes eklogikes anametrhseis. Ayto, omws, den exei opoiadhpote sxesh me thn eyqynh poy exei mia kybernhsh na askei thn politikh ths me gnwmona to symferon ths xwras, sebomenh ta dikaiwmata twn politwn.

Sas eyxaristw.

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