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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 16 Noembrioy 2000

TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI

KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Synedriase, shmera, to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Syzhthqhkan, kyriws, qemata toy ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs kai egine enhmerwsh gia th nomoqetikh prwtoboylia poy analambanei h ypoyrgos Eswterikwn Dhmosias Dioikhshs kai Apokentrwshs, gia qemata metanasteytikhs politikhs. Oi dyo synadelfoi paraxwroyn synenteyjeis kai qa dianeimoyn yliko, sxetiko me to qema poy o kaqenas pragmateyetai.

Poly genika, epishmainw, se o,ti afora to qema poy kyriws syzhthsame, oti h politikh ths kybernhshs anaferetai sthn prospaqeia gia thn taxeia kai oysiastikh aponomh ths Dikaiosynhs. Me seira nomoqetikwn prwtoboyliwn poy exoyn analhfqei kai metrwn poy prokeitai na efarmosei to ypoyrgeio, epidiwkoyme na oloklhrwnetai, to syntomotero dynato, h diadikasia gia thn antimetwpish diaforwn prosfygwn, mhnysewn, prokeimenoy na ekdidontai apofaseis se poly mikrotero xroniko diasthma, se sxesh me shmera. Epiqymoyme, bebaia, ws pros to periexomeno twn apofasewn, na throyntai oloi oi kanones, na prosferontai oles oi eggyhseis, prokeimenoy na einai kai oysiastikh h aponomh ths Dikaiosynhs.

O N.2844/2000, poy isxyei apo ton perasmeno Oktwbrh, yphrje mia shmantikh tomh. Anaferetai, opws gnwrizete, se symbaseis epi kinhtwn h apaithsewn me thn eisagwgh toy qesmoy toy plasmatikoy enexyroy. Einai ena qema to opoio exei pragmateyqei o Prwqypoyrgos, edw kai dekaeties, se episthmonikh monografia toy. Isxyei se alles xwres kai eisagetai twra kai sthn Ellada.

Yparxei, pleon, h dynatothta -kai ayto einai shmantiko- enexyrashs kinhtwn, xwris paradosh ths katoxhs toys, alla me eggrafh se dhmosia biblia. To enexyro, mexri twra, analoga me tis apofaseis poy ekdidontan -eite ayto htan mhxanhma, ejoplismos, eite allo kinhto, pragma- eprepe na paradidetai sto daneisth, me synepeia o ofeileths na stereitai ths dynatothtas na to xrhsimopoiei, na to ekmetalleyetai. Twra, loipon, me th nea diadikasia enexyrashs, oi apaithseis eggrafontai se dhmosia biblia kai parexontai sto metajy oles oi asfaleies se ayton poy exei egeirei tis apaithseis.

Shmantiko, epishs, einai to qema poy afora thn ejwdikastikh epilysh diaforwn metajy twn diadikwn. To metro ayto exei qespistei edw kai poly kairo. Isxyei shmera, mono gia ta politika dikasthria. Exei apodwsei shmantika. Qa prepei na epektaqei kai se alloys tomeis aponomhs ths Dikaiosynhs.

Oson afora to programma toy ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs, gia thn ktiriakh ypodomh, ton ejoplismo twn yphresiwn toy kai th stelexwsh toys apo anqrwpoys diaforwn eidikothtwn, den qa sas koyrasw me leptomereies. Ola ayta anaferontai, me leptomereies kai me sygkekrimena stoixeia, sto keimeno to opoio dianemei o ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs.

Kleinw thn anafora ayth, ypogrammizontas oti epiqymoyme thn taxeia kai oysiastikh aponomh ths Dikaiosynhs. Se ayth thn prospaqeia twn dikastwn kai twn allwn ergazomenwn sto xwro ths Dikaiosynhs, h kybernhsh prosferei ameristh symparastash. Exoyme ejasfalisei kai qa synexisoyme na ejasfalizoyme oles tis eggyhseis kai tis alles qesmikes kai ylikes proypoqeseis, prokeimenoy oi dikastikoi leitoyrgoi na antapokriqoyn sto poly shmantiko ergo toys, makria apo syntexniakes symperifores, makria apo symperifores poy mporei na dhmioyrghsoyn thn entypwsh allwn epidiwjewn. Qewroyme oti h poly krisimh apostolh toys epiballei se oloys mas -kai kyriws sthn kybernhsh- na staqei arwgos, prosferontas ola ta mesa kai tis diasfaliseis, gia na feroyn se peras to ergo toys.

Oson afora to deytero qema, gnwrizete oti exei analhfqei, edw kai peripoy dyo xronia, analogh nomoqetikh prwtoboylia gia polites poy zoyn sthn Ellada, proerxomenoi apo alles xwres. H diadikasia poy eixe qespistei tote, ths eggrafhs allodapwn poy zoyn sthn Ellada se katalogoys toy OAED, oloklhrwqhke kai apedwse sto metro twn yfistamenwn dynatothtwn. Prepei na antimetwpisoyme mia pragmatikothta. H prwtoboylia poy analambanei h kybernhsh, afora thn taktopoihsh mias ekkremothtas. Blepoyme katamata thn pragmatikothta kai taytoxrona, dhmioyrgoyme oles tis proypoqeseis, wste to fainomeno ayto na mhn epanalhfqei. Apo th mia, loipon, me sygkekrimenoys oroys kai proypoqeseis, taktopoioyme ayth thn ekkremothta toy parelqontos proxwrwntas se nomimopoihsh politwn apo alles xwres poy zoyn sthn Ellada, prokeimenoy na parameinoyn kai na ergastoyn edw, kai apo thn allh, dhmioyrgoyme tis asfalistikes dikleides, wste na teqei fragmos sta synora ths xwras mas kai na mhn prokycei neo kyma laqrometanasteyshs thn epomenh periodo. Akoloyqoyme politikh apotrophs, politikh elegxoy kai epanaprowqhshs sth mia periptwsh, alla kai politikh sygkekrimenwn kanonwn gia th nomimopoihsh ekeinwn poy dikaioyntai kai mporoyn na parameinoyn kai na ergastoyn sthn Ellada. Aytes tis dyo oceis, tis dyo ptyxes ths politikhs mas, syzhthsame shmera.

Oi pio shmantikes ryqmiseis -stis opoies, allwste, qa anaferqei leptomerws h ka Papandreoy, alla exoyn endiaferon, giati gia prwth fora syzhtoyntai ta qemata ayta me ayto ton tropo kai lambanontai sygkekrimenes apofaseis- einai:

Aytoi poy exoyn hdh efodiastei me th legomenh "prasinh karta", efoson lhgei h isxys ths, apoktoyn aytomatws to dikaiwma na parameinoyn me ananewsh ths kartas gia ena akomh xrono poy mporei na epimhkynqei, analoga me tis proypoqeseis poy ejasfalizoyn oi katoxoi ths. Ayto isxyei gia aytoys poy hdh exoyn labei meros sth diadikasia poy arxise, symfwna me thn prwtoboylia poy phrame prin apo peripoy dyo xronia.

Gia toys allodapoys polites poy den exoyn symmetasxei se ayth th diadikasia, katalhgoyme se ena sygkekrimeno plaisio, se mia desmh proypoqesewn, basei twn opoiwn qa elegxqoyn, qa kriqoyn kai qa toys doqei h dynatothta na parameinoyn kai na ergastoyn nomima sthn Ellada. Tetoia krithria mporei na einai:

-H paramonh toys sthn Ellada, toylaxiston dyo xronia, mexri shmera.

-H apodeijh aytoy toy gegonotos me diafora eggrafa, ta opoia anaferontai rhta stis diatajeis toy nomosxedioy.

-H dynatothta poy prosferetai stis oikogeneies na epanenwqoyn.

-H dynatothta poy prosferetai se aytoys, oi opoioi qa ejasfalisoyn kat` arxas thn paramonh toys sthn Ellada, na anazhthsoyn entos eji mhnwn ergasia, prokeimenoy etsi, afoy asfalistoyn sto antistoixo Tameio, na exoyn dikaiwma paratashs ths paramonhs toys sth xwra mas ws ergazomenoi polites.

Pisteyoyme oti ayth einai mia realistikh kai ypeyqynh politikh, gia logoys politikoys kai anqrwpistikoys, alla kai koinwnikoys kai pragmatikoys.

Qa prepei aytoi oi opoioi paramenoyn sthn Ellada nomimopoioymenoi, na anhkoyn pleon se sygkekrimena asfalistika Tameia, na eisferoyn sta Tameia ayta, na einai forologoymenoi analogws toy epaggelmatos toys, na exoyn ta dikaiwmata twn politwn poy mporoyn na anaptyssoyn edw kaqe epaggelmatikh drasthriothta.

Aparaithth proypoqesh einai na exoyn leyko poiniko mhtrwo apo tis ellhnikes dikastikes Arxes.

Ekeinoi oi opoioi, eite toys apasxoloyn, eite toys enoikiazoyn spitia gia na diamenoyn, qa exoyn aysthres kyrwseis, an den to dhlwnoyn ayto me tetoio tropo, wste kai mesw ths diastayrwshs aytwn twn stoixeiwn na gnwrizoyme poioi allodapoi polites einai shmera sthn Ellada, gia poso kairo einai, me ti asxoloyntai, poy diamenoyn kai ola ta synafh stoixeia.

Katalhgontas, qelw na sas enhmerwsw oti to Sabbato, stis 10.30, o Prwqypoyrgos qa dexqei ton Polwno omologo toy k. Mpoyzek poy episkeptetai thn Ellada. Qa exoyn synomilies gia qemata dimeroys endiaferontos.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

KALARITHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw ean yparxei ektimhsh gia ton ariqmo twn allodapwn poy hdh exoyn nomimopoihqei kai ean, makroproqesma, yparxei meleth gia qetikes h arnhtikes epiptwseis sthn oikonomia, sto dhmografiko, sta koinwnika qemata;

REPPAS: Exw ariqmhtika stoixeia poy mporw na anaferw, einai kati poy den ekana gia na mh sas koyrasw. Qa ta anaferei me kaqe leptomereia h ka Papandreoy poy dinei synenteyjh ayth thn wra. Prepei na sas pw oti 338.000 einai aytoi poy shmera fainetai oti me ton enan h ton allo tropo, exoyn ejasfalisei nomima thn paramonh toys sthn Ellada. Ypologizetai oti panw apo 350.000 allodapoi einai sthn Ellada, ektos nomimwn diadikasiwn. Ta stoixeia ayta prokyptoyn, kyriws, apo tis Epitropes poy exei sygkrothsei o OAED. Apo ta stoixeia ayta poy den apodidoyn apolytws thn pragmatikothta, proerxetai kyriws h katagrafh, giati miloyn gia enan mikrotero ariqmo, alla h ektimhsh mas odhgei se ayto to symperasma, dhladh ston ariqmo ton opoio anefera. Fainetai oti apo toys peripoy 200.000 polites poy symmeteixan arxikws sth diadikasia gia na apokthsoyn ``prasinh karta'' thn exoyn apokthsei peripoy 160.000. Einai akomh 40.000 polites gia toys opoioys den oloklhrwqhke h diadikasia. Einai mia diadikasia poy synexizetai mexri to telos toy xronoy, opws, allwste arxikws eixe problefqei. Prepei na sas pw -kai edw fainetai pws symbainoyn diafora paradoja- oti polloi apo aytoys einai asfalismenoi sto IKA, plhrwnoyn asfalistikh eisfora, alloi exoyn ta paidia toys se sxoleia, alloi exoyn ypogracei symbolaia me toys idiokthtes twn spitiwn poy menoyn. Prepei na yparjei mia taktopoihsh ayths ths ekkremothtas. Oi synepeies poy qa prokycoyn -milhsa prin synoptika me titloys- einai mono qetikes. Antilambaneste pws antimetwpizoyme to problhma toy legomenoy aqemitoy antagwnismoy, afoy oi allodapoi polites entassontai, nomimopoioymenoi pleon, sthn paragwgikh diadikasia. Asfalizontai. Einai kati poy kai oi idioi to epiqymoyn. Alla, aytomatws antilambaneste pws odhgei se ejygiansh sthn agora ergasias. Qa enisxyqei etsi to asfalistiko systhma me th nomimopoihsh allodapwn poy ergazontai nomima sthn Ellada. Qa antimetwpisoyme, epishs, kai to problhma ths egklhmatikothtas, se megalo baqmo. Kati to opoio, mporoyme abiasta na poyme epiteyxqhke se orismenes perioxes ths xwras, idiaiterws sthn eparxia, me thn katagrafh kai nomimopoihsh, me thn apokthsh ``prasinhs kartas'' apo polloys allodapoys poy diamenoyn se aytes tis perioxes. Otan kapoios, malista, entassetai nomimws sthn ellhnikh koinwnia, stoys mhxanismoys, stis diadikasies ths exei pleon poiniko mhtrwo, poy prepei na einai ``leyko'' kai gnwrizei oti oi Yphresies mporoyn, ana pasa stigmh, na ton elegjoyn, aytos akribws exei mia diaforetikh symperifora. Exei alles proypoqeseis, poly kalyteres. Bebaiws, olh ayth h diadikasia, ths paroxhs mias deyterhs eykairias stoys polites poy zoyn sthn Ellada, qa synodeyetai apo idiaitera aysthrh efarmogh twn nomwn. Ayto poy eipame oti einai shmantiko kai prepei na to prowqhsoyme einai h synennohsh kyriws me thn Albania, apo thn opoia eiserxontai kata to megalytero pososto jenoi polites. Gia programmata epoxikhs apasxolhshs, shmera, polloi erxontai sthn Ellada gia na ergastoyn mia orismenh periodo kai epistrefoyn otan den exoyn apasxolhsh edw. Aytos einai, isws, gia kapoioys, ej arxhs, o stoxos. Yparxei, exei ypografei sxetikh symfwnia kai h efarmogh ths qa bohqhsei se ayth thn kateyqynsh.

ARGYROS: Yparxei problech sto nomosxedio, pws otan qa lhjei h paramonh aytwn twn anqrwpwn den qa epistrecoyn sto shmerino kaqestws, dhladh, den qa parameinoyn edw. Kai ean jeroyme tis epiptwseis poy qa exei, oson afora tis oikogeneies, otan qa yparjei nomimopoihsh megalhs omadas metanastwn, den fobaste oti ayto qa ginei ena enaysma gia na erqei kai mia deyterh genia metanastwn;

REPPAS: Hmoyn aysthros otan eipa oti de milame, para mono gi aytoys poy hdh, zoyn sthn Ellada. Me rwtate, ean fobomaste to endexomeno na erqoyn kapoioi. Aytes oi ryqmiseis den aforoyn aytoys poy qa epidiwjoyn na erqoyn ayrio. Eipa oti sta synora tiqetai fragmos. Ta synora kleinoyn. Antimetwpizoyme to problhma poy yparxei sth xwra mas ayth thn wra kai pisteyoyme oti qa to antimetwpisoyme me ton kalytero tropo. H politikh ayth den afora aytoys poy qa epidiwjoyn na eiselqoyn sth xwra mas, apo twra kai sto ejhs. Kai milhsa gia politikh apotrophs, elegxoy kai epanaprowqhshs. Einai politikh poy akoloyqeitai sthn periptwsh twn politwn stoys opoioys anafereste. To nomosxedio ayto den anaferetai se qemata apodoshs ths ellhnikhs iqageneias se allodapoys polites. Ayto einai qema allhs politikhs. Alla, to pws politografeitai kapoios Ellhnas, to gnwrizetai, einai dedomeno to nomiko plaisio poy efarmozetai. Prepei na zei, na paramenei, p.x. sthn Ellada ta deka apo ta teleytaia dwdeka xronia. Nomizw oti o stoxos pollwn, apo toys perissoteroys poy hrqan sthn Ellada gia na ergastoyn, einai isws na parameinoyn dia bioy sthn Ellada kai na epidiwjoyn na politografhqoyn apoktwntas thn ellhnikh iqageneia, ws Ellhnes polites. Nomizw oti ayto einai poly shmantiko qema, giati kapoios o opoios erxetai gia mia periodo kai nomimws paramenei ergazomenos sthn Ellada, qelei na gnwrizei poia einai h prooptikh poy mporei na exei. Einai ena qema, loipon, to opoio syzhtoyme. Isxyoyn ayta poy isxyoyn shmera gia oles tis periptwseis. Ayth thn wra den exoyme na poyme kati diaforetiko.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Eipate oti me ayto to nomosxedio ``kleinoyn ta synora''. Mexri twra htan anoikta ta synora;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti thn teleytaia periodo me prwtoboylia ths kybernhshs mas, me diaforoys tropoys -opws einai h sygkrothsh Tmhmatos Eidikwn Fylakwn sta synora- exoyme meiwsei kata poly ayth thn tash eisodoy sthn Ellada laqrometanastwn. Asfalws, ta synora kaqe xwras kai ths dikhs mas einai kleista, alliws den qa eixe nohma na yparxoyn. Oi elegxoi einai aysthroi. Omws, shmera yparxei mia pragmatikothta, thn opoia kaloymaste na antimetwpisoyme kai stelnoyme ena mhnyma oti h politikh ayth afora osoys zoyn sthn Ellada. Den prokeitai na antimetwpisoyme, me analogo tropo, ekeines tis omades twn politwn poy qa epixeirhsoyn na eiselqoyn ef ejhs sthn Ellada. Malista, gia polloys poy zoyn shmera sthn Ellada, alla den sygkentrwnoyn aytes tis stoixeiwdeis proypoqeseis paramonhs toys, mexri shmera, paramonh p.x. epi dyo eth sthn Ellada, den einai dynato na efarmostoyn ta metra ta opoia apofasizoyme. Aytoi qa epanaprowqhqoyn stis xwres proeleyshs toys.

KARGOYDH: Eipate gia dyo xronia@

REPPAS: Ayto einai ena krithrio sto opoio anaferqhka.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Qa dhmioyrghqoyn, dhladh, mhxanismoi apotrophs eisodoy; Qa exoyme dieyrynsh twn Swmatwn Asfaleias@;

REPPAS: Eipame oti oi entoles poy exoyn oi armodies yphresies, einai pantote na elegxoyn ta synora kai na mhn epitrepoyn thn eisodo se opoiondhpote poy den exei nomima eggrafa. Gnwrizete oti kata kairoys antimetwpizoyme tetoia kroysmata laqrometanasteyshs. Polites poy anazhtoyn mia kalyterh tyxh sth zwh toys, peftoyn qymata doylemporwn kyriws se qalassies perioxes ths xwras. Prosfata eixame malista sxetiko kroysma. Gnwrizete oti me thn Toyrkia, metajy twn allwn qematwn, egine syzhthsh kai gia to sygkekrimeno qema, gia thn apo koinoy antimetwpish toy problhmatos ths laqrometanasteyshs pros th xwra mas. H Toyrkia exei symfwnhsei se mia politikh epanaprowqhshs twn laqrometanasteytwn pros thn Toyrkia. Yparxei, loipon, desmh metrwn gia thn antimetwpish aytwn twn problhmatwn. Den milame gia mia allh politikh. Ayto gia to opoio milame einai oti ta metra nomimopoihshs aforoyn aytoys poy exoyn tis stoixeiwdeis proypoqeseis kai zoyn shmera sthn Ellada. Den aforoyn aytoys, oi opoioi efejhs qa epidiwjoyn na erqoyn sth xwra mas.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Ta paidia oswn ayth th stigmh briskontai paranomws sth xwra mas qa mporoyn na foitoyn se ellhnika sxoleia;

REPPAS: Einai ena apo ta krithria poy syzhthsame. H foithsh enos paidioy se sxoleio ths xwras mas einai ena stoixeio poy prepei na synektimhqei, kaqws qa krinetai, qa elegxetai o goneas gia to an qa toy paraxwrhqei h oxi ayto to kaqestws nomimhs paramonhs sth xwra mas. Giati antilambaneste pws h kybernhsh mas den einai dynato na proxwrhsei se metra, ta opoia metajy twn allwn synepagontai thn plhrh apoxwrhsh h apomakrynsh twn maqhtwn apo to sxoleio poy foitoyn kai gia alloys logoys kai thn anagkastikh epistrofh twn paidiwn aytwn sthn patrida toys.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Ta paidia poy den foitoyn kai qeloyn na foithsoyn, qa mporoyn na foithsoyn;

REPPAS: Eipate oti qa yparxoyn krithria kai anefera orismena. Qa moy epitrecete na mhn epektaqw. Ayto to sxedio nomoy, allwste, qa syzhthqei thn epomenh periodo me perissoteres leptomereies. Sas eipa poia einai ta krithria, basei twn opoiwn qa mporoyn kapoioi na parameinoyn edw.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Eipate oti gi aytoys poy qa menoyn se spitia. Poios exei ypoxrewsh na to dhlwsei ayto, o idiokthths;

REPPAS: Asfalws. O idiokthths qa prepei na synaptei symbolaio me ton enoikiasth, afoy prwta ejetasei kai diapistwsei oti o enoikiasths exei ta nomima eggrafa, wste na mporei na paramenei kai na ergazetai sthn Ellada. Na mporei, dhladh, opws kai oi alloi polites, na synaptei symbolaia enoikiashs akinhtwn. Se ayth thn periptwsh o idiokthths -kai milhsa gia aysthres kyrwseis, efoson den threitai ayth h diadikasia- ypoxreoytai na elegxei thn yparjh h mh aytwn twn proypoqesewn toy polith me ton opoio proxwra se synach enos symbolaioy gia na enoikiasei to akinhto.

I. KAMPOYRAKHS: Qa hqela na moy peite ean se ayth th basikh kateyqynsh ths metanasteytikhs politikhs symfwnhsan ola ta melh toy Y.S. kai ean o Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke se kapoio allo qema ths politikhs epikairothtas.

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos den anaferqhke se opoiodhpote allo qema. Edwse to logo apeyqeias ston k. Staqopoylo, prokeimenoy na eishghqei ta qemata toy ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs. Kai sto deytero qema, edwse apeyqeias to logo sthn ka Papandreoy. Elaban to logo polloi synadelfoi kai anaferqhkan eite sto ena qema, eite sto allo me tetoio tropo poy moy dinei th dynatothta na pw oti katalhjame omofwnws se aytes tis protaseis, se aytes tis epiloges.

SOYRMELIDHS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw ean sto Y.S. egine opoiadhpote nyjh gia ta anoikta metwpa poy fainontai ayth th stigmh metajy kybernhshs kai dikaiosynhs. Yparxoyn dhlwseis twn kyriwn. Peponh, Matqia k.l.p.

REPPAS: Den egine kamia anafora, epanalambanw, se qemata ta opoia, mporei na pei kaneis, aforoyn thn politikh h thn kaqara politikh epikairothta, giati etsi opws qetete eseis to sygkekrimeno qema, para to oti aptetai toy tomea ths Dikaiosynhs, to qetete ws politiko zhthma. Lete gia to an yparxei antiparaqesh. Den yparxei kamia antiparaqesh. Gnwrizete oti exoyn kanei sxetikes dhlwseis o ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs, o Proedros toy Areioy Pagoy. O k. Matqias apesteile sxetikh egkyklio, einai dikaiwma toy. Ayto egine xqes, enw shmera htan gnwsto oti synedriazei to Y.S. kai eprokeito na asxolhqei me qemata toy ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs. Paramenoyme sth qesh thn opoia ejefrasa kai thn perasmenh Paraskeyh. Oydeis einai yperanw toy nomoy, eite einai politikos, eite einai dikasths. Kai oydeis einai yperanw kritikhs. Kai oi krinontes, krinontai. Oi dikastes, oi opoioi exoyn anejarthsia syneidhshs kai gnwmhs sta kaqhkonta toys, opws eipe xqes kai o ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs, den foboyntai th dhmosia kritikh. Bebaiws, h Dikaiosynh leitoyrgei me oles tis syntagmatikes eggyhseis ths anejarthsias, wste na mhn yparxei to paramikro periqwrio se opoiondhpote na skefqei oti einai dynato, mia dhlwsh poy enexei stoixeia krhtikhs na epidiwkei ton ephreasmo enos dikasth sto ergo toy. Kaqe allo. Tetoio qema, loipon, den yfistatai. H kybernhsh einai sto pleyro twn dikastikwn leitoyrgwn kai prosferei ameristh yposthrijh, prokeimenoy na antapokriqoyn sthn poly shmantikh apostolh toys.

EYSTAQIOY: Me bash tis arxaioellhnikes ajies ths filojenias, alla kai ta eyrwpaika idewdh peri anoiktwn synorwn, allazei tipota me thn paroxh asyloy se oloys toys politikoys fygades poy proerxontai@

REPPAS: Ayto einai qema diaforetiko apo ayto poy syzhtoyme kai antimetwpizetai me ejairetikes diadikasies. H politikh, se o,ti afora th xorhghsh asyloy, paramenei ayth poy gnwrizete. Syzhtoyme ena allo qema poy afora thn antimetwpish ths ekkremothtas, poy den einai allh apo thn paramonh sthn Ellada, me tropo poy den einai synnomos, ekatontadwn xiliadwn politwn proerxomenwn apo alles xwres. H kybernhsh antimetwpizei to problhma ayto oristika kai me ton kalytero tropo, pros ofelos toso ths xwras mas kai ths ellhnikhs koinwnias, oso kai pros to symferon aytwn twn idiwn twn allodapwn politwn.

EYSTAQIOY: Qa yparjoyn eyqynes kai katalogismos eyqynwn se osoys eyqynontai gia to stoibagma pollwn anqrwpwn se dwmatia dyo epi dyo@

REPPAS: Ayto einai to ligotero. Antilambaneste oti yparxei ena problhma. Moy dinete, omws, thn eykairia na anaferqw se ena paraplhsio qema poy syzhthqhke, shmera, sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Einai poly shmantiko to programma anegershs newn fylakwn, to opoio einai se ejelijh. Milhse gi` ayto o ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs. Gnwrizete oti stis ellhnikes fylakes oi kratoymenoi einai poly perissoteroi apo aytoys poy mporoyn, symfwna me ta sxedia, na dexqoyn. Dhmioyrgeitai etsi ena terastio problhma. H ejaggelia ths kybernhshs gia thn apomakrynsh twn fylakwn Korydalloy, mexri to 2004, einai desmeysh mas kai syzhthqhke shmera. H oloklhrwsh toy programmatos anegershs newn fylakwn se diafores perioxes, qa kanei efikth ayth th lysh. Yparxei, omws, kai to qema me toys doylemporoys h oloys ekeinoys poy ekmetalleyontai ton pono aytwn twn anqrwpwn. Asfalws dikazontai, symfwna me toys nomoys ths xwras mas. Se kapoies ejairetikes periptwseis, otan oi armodies yphresies breqoyn apenanti se arketes ekatontades laqrometanastwn, mporei kapoia stigmh aytos o megalos ariqmos laqrometanastwn na filojenhqei se xwroys, opoy mporei na pei kaneis oti den yparxoyn oi kalyteres dynates synqhkes. Ayto, omws, den prepei na odhgei se ena geniko symperasma, giati etsi adikoyme th xwra mas, poy opws swsta eipate, einai mia xwra filojenh, mia xwra megalhs anoxhs, mia xwra sthn opoia h jenofobia kai o ratsismos den anqisan kai den qa epitrecoyme na anqisoyn.

EYSTAQIOY: O Prwqypoyrgos qa kataqesei stefani sto Polytexneio;

REPPAS: Sto programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy den problepetai kati tetoio. Oyte perysi egine. H timh sth mnhmh twn agwnistwn toy Polytexneioy, ekdhlwnetai apo ton Prwqypoyrgo kai thn kybernhsh pio oysiastika kai me diaforoys tropoys.

KAPPOS: Arketes efhmerides epishmainoyn arketes diafores anamesa sthn arxikh kai thn trexoysa domh toy nomosxedioy. Gia th metanasteytikh politikh ths kybernhshs, poies pronoies yparxoyn gia thn katoxyrwsh syntagmatikwn dikaiwmatwn twn metanastwn, toy dikaiwmatos toy synerxesqai, toy dikaiwmatos toy syndikalizesqai. Kai deyteron, epeidh anaferqhkate stoys metanastes poy prokeitai na erqoyn sto mellon kai th diadikasia toy politikoy asyloy@

REPPAS: Apanthsa prin gia to qema toy asyloy. Isxyoyn oi ejairetikes diadikasies poy einai gnwstes. Den mas apasxolhse to qema ayto. To nomosxedio poy syzhtoyme den afora synolika qemata metanasteytikhs politikhs. Einai nomosxedio poy afora qema metanasteytikhs politikhs, alla gi` aytoys poy briskontai shmera sthn Ellada kai den exoyn ejasfalisei nomimh paramonh kai ergasia sth xwra mas. Efoson nomimopoihsoyn thn edw paramonh toys, qa exoyn th dynatothta na anaptyssoyn, sto plaisio syllogwn, drasthriothtes, opws oloi oi alloi polites. Den yparxei kanenas periorismos. Den qa einai polites periorismenwn dikaiwmatwn. Syzhtoyme gia tis diadikasies, toys mhxanismoys, ta organa, prokeimenoy h nomimopoihsh aytwn poy briskontai shmera sthn Ellada na ginei me tetoio tropo, wste h entajh toys sthn ellhnikh koinwnia na mhn prokalei kradasmoys.

ARGYROS: Poies alles kathgories yphresiwn qa prepei na elegxoyn an exoyn ta nomima xartia;

REPPAS: Ta analambanoyn oi organismoi Aytodioikhshs, oi Nomarxies kyriws, kai h Genikh Grammateia ths kaqe Perifereias.

Sas eyxaristw.

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