Greek Government Press Briefing, 99-11-09

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 9 Noembrioy 1999

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Qa hqela eisagwgikws na anaferqw se shmerino dhmosieyma efhmeridas, poy anaferetai sthn ekdosh plastwn diabathriwn, ta opoia diaqetoyn Rwsoi polites.

Apo thn prwth ereyna poy egine diapistwnetai oti ta eggrafa ayta einai plasta, den einai gnhsia. Exoyn ekdoqei -etsi anaferetai- apo Nomarxies. Einai xarakthristiko to gegonos oti to onoma toy ypallhloy poy anagrafetai sto ena eggrafo den yparxei -oydepote yphrxe ypallhlos me ayto to onoma- h sfragida einai poly palaia, einai sfragida poy den xrhsimopoieitai edw kai arketo kairo. En pash periptwsei h Ypoyrgos Eswterikwn ka Papandreoy exei diatajei amesws elegxo, o opoios dienergeitai gia na gnwrizoyme pws akribws exei to qema se oles tis leptomereies toy. Epanalambanw, omws, oti apo thn prwth ereyna prokyptei to symperasma pws ta eggrafa ayta einai plasta.

Akoyw tis erwthseis.

MOYRTHS: To gegonos oti katexetai apo ajiwmatoyxo allhs xwras plasto ellhniko eggrafo, den to sxoliazei h kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Prepei na gnwrizei h kybernhsh poies diadikasies akoloyqhqhkan, poioi anqrwpoi, poia proswpa mesolabhsan, prokeimenoy na ftasoyme se ayto to apotelesma. To oti exoyn, profanws, ginei paranomes prajeis gia na exoyme ayto to apotelesma einai kati to opoio mono toy prokyptei. Apo ekei kai pera, sas eipa oti prepei na ginei o elegxos aytos gia na gnwrizoyme pws egine dynato kapoioi na diaqetoyn diabathria, dhqen, ellhnika me ayton ton tropo.

GYPARH: Pote qa oloklhrwqei h ereyna;

REPPAS: To syntomotero dynaton. Kai qa exete -ki eseis, epeidh to "Eqnos" einai h efhmerida poy filojenei ayto to dhmosieyma- ola ta stoixeia sth diaqesh sas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, se liges hmeres erxetai edw o k. Klinton kai h amerikanikh kybernhsh bgazei tajidiwtikh odhgia. Pws to xarakthrizete ayto;

REPPAS: Den exei ekdwsei tajidiwtikh odhgia h amerikanikh kybernhsh. Exei ekdoqei mia dhmosia anakoinwsh. Den einai to idio pragma. H diadikasia ayth einai yphresiakh kai akoloyqeitai apo thn kybernhsh twn HPA gia projenikes anagkes. Qa deite to periexomeno ths anakoinwshs. Anaferetai se diadhlwseis oi opoies ginontai ayth thn periodo, me aformh thn apodosh timhs gia to Polytexneio. H dhmosia, ayth, anakoinwsh ekdidetai ws ypoxrewsh ths kybernhshs twn HPA pros toys Amerikanoys yphkooys poy zoyn h metakinoyntai se alles xwres, prokeimenoy na einai enhmeroi gia to poy mporei na dhmioyrghqei kindynos gi aytoys, wste na pairnoyn prolhptika metra.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Oxi se alles xwres, sthn Ellada leei.

REPPAS: Ma, einai mia diadikasia, eipa, poy akoloyqeitai gia oles tis xwres toy kosmoy, afoy oi HPA qewroyn pws oi Amerikanoi yphkooi prepei na enhmerwqoyn gia gegonota ta opoia mporei na prokalesoyn kindynoys se aytoys. Qa deite oti to periexomeno ayths ths dhmosias anakoinwshs anaferetai sygkekrimena sto oti ayth thn periodo ginontai aytes oi diadhlwseis, epiqeseis poy prokaloyn zhmies se epixeirhseis, oi opoies syndeontai me kapoio tropo me tis HPA, kaloyntai de oi Amerikanoi yphkooi ayto na to laboyn ypoch toys. Qa htan paraleich apo thn pleyra twn HPA an den proebainan se ayth thn enhmerwsh. Den exei, loipon, kamia sxesh ayto to pragma me tajidiwtikh odhgia. Einai allh h diadikasia, allo to nohma kai to periexomeno ths tajidiwtikhs odhgias kai allo to baros ths. Ayto na einai safes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Einai synexeia ths prohgoymenhs, omws, tajidiwtikhs odhgias poy eixan bgalei.

REPPAS: Den miloyme gia tajidiwtikh odhgia. Ayto prepei na einai safes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mhpws qa exoyme to programma toy k. Klinton; Mhpws bghke, mhpws dhmosiopoihqei;

REPPAS: Exw pei arketes fores, apantwntas, se sxetikes erwthseis, oti den exei katartistei to programma ths episkechs. Otan labei thn telikh morfh toy qa to exete ki eseis ypoch sas.

PARIS: Yparxei periptwsh, exei enhmerwqei h ellhnikh kybernhsh apo thn amerikanikh gia periptwsh mataiwshs ths episkechs h gia smikrynsh ths paramonhs toy k. Klinton sthn Ellada;

REPPAS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh ergazetai kai synergazetai me thn kybernhsh twn HPA gia thn omalh pragmatopoihsh ayths ths episkechs.

FILHS: Sxetika me to erwthmatologio poy exei steilei o k. Klhridhs stoys politikoys arxhgoys ths Kyproy, exei enhmerwqei h ellhnikh kybernhsh gia tis apanthseis twn politikwn arxhgwn;

REPPAS: Einai eswterikh diadikasia kai afora thn politikh zwh ths Kyproy. H diakybernhsh ths Kyproy -opws askeitai apo ton Proedro Klhridh- gnwrizete poly kala oti, toylaxiston, oson afora to megalo eqniko zhthma, askeitai se ena plaisio sto opoio exoyn symfwnhsei oi dyo kybernhseis, ths Kyproy kai ths Elladas. Kanena allo sxolio gi ayto to qema. Den einai dynaton na ypeiselqoyme se tetoia eswterika, organwtika h politika zhthmata, basei twn opoiwn leitoyrgei h kypriakh dhmokratia h o politikos kosmos sthn Kypro.

FILHS: Isxyoyn kai shmera oi apanthseis poy dwsate, tis prohgoymenes hmeres, me eykairia thn episkech toy Amerikanoy Proedroy sth Ellada;

REPPAS: Oi qeseis poy exw ekfrasei einai qeseis arxhs kai aytes den allazoyn apo mera se mera. Asfalws, oi apanthseis poy exw dwsei isxyoyn apolytws.

MOYRTHS: Qelw na rwthsw ean telika gnwrizoyme to xrono paramonhs toy k. Klinton sthn Ellada;

REPPAS: Apanthsa prin. Emeis ergazomaste gia thn episkech etsi opws, kat arxas, exei symfwnhqei.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw ean h kybernhsh exei ginei dekths aithmatos toy Amerikanoy presbh na mhn yparjoyn diadhlwseis ejw apo thn amerikanikh presbeia,

REPPAS: Einai fysiko na dhmioyrghqei problhmatismos se oloys kai sthn amerikanikh kybernhsh gia thn paroysia diadhlwtwn sthn amerikanikh presbeia, kata tis hmeres kai tis wres poy qa episkefqei thn Aqhna o Amerikanos proedros. Ayto einai kati, to opoio mporei kaqenas na to symperanei, kanontas mia poly logikh ypoqesh. Den einai kati poy kapoios epidiwkei. Einai kati to opoio kapoios qa hqele na apofygei. Na diadhlwnoyn, dhladh, ekfrazontas thn antiqesh toys se ayton polites, thn idia wra poy episkeptetai h einai parwn se enan orismeno xwro, se mia polh.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: O problhmatismos aytos diatypwqhke apo ton k. Mperns kai kata th synanthsh poy eixe me ton Prwqypoyrgo;

REPPAS: O k. Mperns, ekfrazontas th qesh ths amerikanikhs kybernhshs, qa hqele ayth h episkech na oloklhrwqei me omalo tropo. Epishs, ekfrazei problhmatismoys gia to an tetoioy eidoys ekdhlwseis mporei na skiasoyn to periexomeno ths episkechs kai isws-isws na traymatisoyn kai tis ellhnoamerikanikes sxeseis.

FILHS: H ellhnikh pleyra symfwnei me ton problhmatismo toy k. Mperns;

REPPAS: Efoson oi ekdhlwseis diejaxqoyn me nomimo kai eirhniko tropo, qewroyme oti den yparxei opoiodhpote problhma. Alla, an ypoqesoyme, oti se tetoies periptwseis panta yparxoyn dynameis, proswpa, foreis, oi opoioi parekklinoyn apo ayto to plaisio, dhmioyrgoyn epeisodia, askoyn bia, odhgoyn se ektropa -kai ara dhmioyrgoyntai ek twn pragmatwn problhmata- asfalws, mia tetoia ejelijh thn apodokimazoyme. Den thn qeloyme kai ergazomaste gia na thn apotrecoyme.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Giati panta. Xqes eixame diadhlwsh, h opoia den nomizw oti empiptei sthn kathgoria, oti panta kati ginetai. REPPAS: Anaferqhkate kai eseis me thn erwthsh sas ki egw me thn apanthsh moy se periptwseis poy exoyme diadhlwseis megaloy ogkoy, ejw apo ktiria h xwroys, opws to ktirio kai o xwros ths amerikanikhs presbeias.

MIXAHL: Apo th mia meria exoyme toys problhmatismoys toy k. Mperns kai tis proeidopoihseis toy pros thn ellhnikh kybernhsh. Exoyme thn anakoinwsh -opws eipate- gia toys Amerikanoys polites gia to ti ginetai sthn Ellada, ayth thn periodo, logw twn diadhlwsewn gia to Polytexneio. Exoyme thn "adynamia" dyo hmeres prin thn episkech na mhn exoyn anakoinwsei....

REPPAS: Omws, na exoyme kai thn erwthsh sas!

MIXAHL:... kai apo thn allh, exoyme ton k. Klinton na leei oti qa erqei edw na syzhthsei tis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis kai malista qa deijei kai poios einai o dromos ths sygxronhs Dhmokratias sth xwra poy th gennhse kai sta Balkania. H kybernhsh, olo ayto to paketo twn amerikanikwn dhlwsewn, pws to ektima;

REPPAS: Opws qa ektimoyse tis apoceis opoioydhpote alloy jenoy hgeth otan anaferetai sta dika mas qemata. O Proedros twn HPA ekfrazei tis apoceis ths kybernhshs toy, ekfrazei tis dikes toy qeseis. Pisteyoyme oti me ton tropo me ton opoio anadeiknyei tis qeseis toy, apo th dikh toy pleyra prospaqei kai epixeirei na symbalei sthn parapera beltiwsh twn ellhnoamerikanikwn sxesewn kai thn parembash twn HPA, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistoyn kai na lyqoyn problhmata poy mas apasxoloyn. Oi dhlwseis aytes, oi opoies eginan kata thn omilia toy se Panepisthmio twn HPA, einai mia ekfrash kalhs diaqeshs apo th dikh toy pleyra.

MIXAHL: Thn idia wra exoyme thn anakoinwsh kai problhmatismoys, to programma poy kaqysterei na bgei. Den einai antifatika ola ayta;

REPPAS: Giati na einai antifatika; Apo th mia, o Proedros twn HPA ekfrazei tis apoceis toy gia thn ellhnikh dhmokratia -kai sto shmeio ayto, pisteyw, oti oloi symfwneite- kai apo thn allh, oi yphresies twn HPA antidroyn se pragmatika gegonota, giati ayth einai h alhqeia, me thn ekdosh mias dhmosias anakoinwshs. Kai to ena kai to allo antapokrinontai se poly logikes paradoxes. Den nomizw oti prepei na ta qesete se antiparaqesh, san na apokleiei to ena to allo.

BITALHS: Dhladh htan antanaklastikh h kinhsh toy Steht Nthpartment gia ayth thn anakoinwsh h yphrxan kai apo edw kapoies protropes oti koitajte qa ginoyn ayta...

REPPAS: H anakoinwsh eixe poly sygkekrimeno periexomeno, thn exete diabasei. Anaferetai se gegonota ta opoia eginan thn teleytaia periodo. Ara, loipon, h dhmosia anakoinwsh akoloyqei kapoia sygkekrimena peristatika.

BITALHS: Moy epitrepete na dieykrinisw kati; Kata thn ektimhsh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, ayth h dhmosia anakoinwsh poy bgainei einai apo ta antanaklastika toy Steit Ntipartment, apo kekthmenh taxythta h yphrxan kai kapoies sygkekrimenes politikes eishghseis poy bgalane ayth thn anakoinwsh;

REPPAS: Den qa anagoreytw se pagkosmio dikasth. Jerw oti yparxei mia anakoinwsh h opoia anaferetai se peristatika ta opoia eginan thn teleytaia periodo. To periexomeno ths anakoinwshs anaferetai se ayta ta peristatika. Antapokrinetai, dhladh, se pragmatika gegonota. Exei ekdoqei ayth h dhmosia anakoinwsh, h opoia einai se armonia me thn praktikh poy akoloyqoyn oi yphresies twn HPA se analoges periptwseis kai den apotelei, epanalambanw, tajidiwtikh odhgia. Ayto prepei na einai safes.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Lete oti ayta ta opoia anaferoyn oi Amerikanoi aforoyn pragmatika peristatika. Pragmatika peristatika einai kai ola ekeina gia ta opoia mas kaloysate, proxqes na mhn eimaste prokateilhmmenoi se oti afora to rolo twn Amerikanwn sthn Ellada. Apo th mia meria dhladh emeis...

REPPAS: Poy anafereste; Ginete pio sygkekrimenos giati mporei na dhmioyrghqei ceydhs entypwsh, etsi opws qetete thn erwthsh sas.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Anaferomai sth syggnwmh toy Mperns gia th diktatoria sthn Ellada, anaferomai sthn Kypro, anaferomai...

REPPAS: Syzhthsame tetoia qemata edw, proxqes, emeis;

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Eseis proxtes eixate pei, oti bebaiws prepei h stash mas apenanti twn Amerikanwn na ektima thn istorikh diadromh twn sxesewn, alla den prepei na eimaste prokateilhmmenoi logw ayths ths istorikhs diadromhs kai toy roloy twn Amerikanwn.

REPPAS: Eipa oti bebaiws yparxei h poly sygkekrimenh istoria sthn politikh twn HPA h tis ellhnoamerikanikes sxeseis. Apo kei kai pera, kaqe fora poy ginetai mia synanthsh h einai se ejelijh h synergasia mas, den mporei na qewreitai ek twn proterwn poio qa einai to apotelesma ayths ths synergasias. Den mporei na eimaste oyte qetika, oyte arnhtika topoqethmenoi, prokateilhmmenoi. Ayto eipa.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: To erwthma moy einai, pws to gegonos oti h dikh sas kybernhsh den dexetai kamia prokatalhch gia to rolo twn Amerikanwn, parola ayta oi Amerikanoi fainetai na deixnoyn prokatalhch, me bash pragmatika peristatika, opws eseis anaferete. Sas enoxlei h den sas enoxlei;

REPPAS: Emeis den akoloyqoyme politikh prokatalhcewn. Mia tetoia politikh, fainetai, akoloyqoyn alla politika kommata sthn Ellada, ta opoia exoyn mia staqerh qesh se kapoia zhthmata, h opoia (qesh) mporei istorika na exei xreokophsei, alla den exei apoqarrynei ta kommata ayta na menoyn sterea proshlwmena se aythn. Emeis akoloyqoyme mia politikh yper toy eqnikoy symferontos. To eqniko symferon yperaspizomaste - giati einai o monadikos gnwmonas mas- kai me bash ayto sxediazoyme kai askoyme thn ejwterikh politikh ths xwras. Ayto qa kanoyme kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Stis syzhthseis toy k. Mperns me ton k. Shmith exei teqei qema gia ayta ta kommata ta prokateilhmmena sthn Ellada;

REPPAS: H politikh zwh sthn Ellada den afora thn kybernhsh twn HPA h ton presbh twn HPA sth xwra mas. Einai diko mas qema. Einai stoixeio ths dhmokratikhs leitoyrgias toy politeymatos mas, gia to opoio oloi miloyn me poly kolakeytika logia kai eimaste yperhfanoi gia ayto.

MOYRTHS: Skopeyei h kybernhsh na akoloyqhsei thn protroph toy Proedroy ths N. D. na milhsei me kaqarh kai dynath fwnh ston Proedro twn HPA;

REPPAS: O k. Karamanlhs den einai arketa enhmerwmenos. Qa mporoyse na zhthsei enhmerwsh apo ton Prwqypoyrgo gia qemata ejwterikhs politikhs, wste na einai apolytws plhroforhmenos gia th safhneia ths politikhs mas kai gia ton poly qetiko, emfantiko tropo me ton opoio qetoyme tis protaseis kai tis apoceis mas, se tetoies synanthseis kai syzhthseis me jenoys hgetes. To idio qa kanoyme kai enocei ths epikeimenhs episkechs. Den perimenoyme thn "odhgia" toy k. Karamanlh gia na askhsoyme ta kaqhkonta mas me ton pio endedeigmeno tropo. Ayto einai kati to opoio apotelei gia mas kanona sthn politikh mas. Ayton efarmozoyme.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, den sas apasxolei oti prin apo deka hmeres eginan fobera epeisodia sth Norbhgia kata thn episkech toy k. Klinton kai den bghke kamia, opws th lete, dhmosia anakoinwsh. Edw giati bgazoyn;

REPPAS: Osa aforoyn tis sxeseis ths Norbhgias me tis HPA, den qa apasxolhsoyn emas. Apo kei kai pera ta epeisodia sta opoia anafereste, ta opoia oloi gnwrizoyme giati ta plhroforhqhkame, bebaiws, exoyn to diko toys megeqos, alla apoteloyn ena stoixeio pros ejetash apo tis dyo kybernhseis. Oxi diko mas. Emeis qa ejetasoyme kai qa elegjoyme thn politikh twn HPA apenanti sth xwra mas kai qa akoloyqhsoyme mia politikh me bash to eqniko mas symferon kai oxi to ti ginetai se alles xwres.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai, alla ekei eginan epeisodia. Edw den exei ginei tipota kai bgazoyn dhmosia anakoinwsh kai ekei den exoyn bgalei tipota. Giati; Den sas problhmatizei ayto;

REPPAS: Molis proxtes eginan dyo epeisodia. Gnwrizete oti yphrjan dyo stoxoi, h Ellhnoamerikanikh Enwsh kai mia emporikh etaireia. Pws lete oti den egine tipote; Den einai pragmatika peristatika ayta;

Eyxaristw poly.

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