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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 1 Oktwbrioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas kai kalo mhna.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Edw kai merikes hmeres oso paei kai xeirotereyei h katastash sta nosokomeia. Anqrwpoi abohqhtoi kai mporw na pw oti merikoi exoyn peqanei, xwris na to jeroyme. Mporeite na moy peite ti qa kanei h Kybernhsh me ayth thn katastash;

REPPAS: Epeidh einai poly sobarh h kinhtopoihsh twn giatrwn, xreiazetai na sxoliazoyme ta sxetika qemata me poly sobaro kai ypeyqyno tropo. Einai akraia h epishmansh poy kanate. Den exei symbei kati tetoio kai gia na mh dhmioyrgoyntai paranohseis qa prepei na to epishmanw twra. Oson afora thn apergia, einai pantelws adikaiologhth, giati ta oikonomika aithmata poy eqese o iatrikos kosmos exoyn ikanopoihqei sto megalytero pososto toys. Gnwrizete poly kala oti h Kybernhsh antimetwpise kai elyse ena xronio problhma. Kai milw gia to kaqestws twn plasmatikwn efhmeriwn. Ayjhqhkan oi amoibes twn giatrwn, se pososto poy se orismenes periptwseis fqanei kai jeperna to 30% kai, bebaiws, ikanopoioyntai ta oikonomika aithmata twn nosokomeiwn, oson afora thn plhrwmh twn giatrwn gia efhmeries poy kanoyn, me bash katalogo ton opoio exoyn proteinei oi Dioikhseis twn nosokomeiwn. To Ypoyrgeio Ygeias, epishs, exei anakoinwsei oti dhmioyrgeitai epitroph sthn opoia ekproswpoyntai oloi oi foreis, prokeimenoy h epitroph ayth na katartisei ton katalogo twn pragmatikwn efhmeriwn poy einai aparaithtes gia kaqe nosokomeio gia to 1999. Opoy yparxoyn mikres diafores qa prepei na antimetwpistoyn ws tetoies kai na mhn odhgoyn sth dhmioyrgia megalwn problhmatwn. Einai aparadekto, enw askei kapoios -opws en prokeimenw oi giatroi- to dikaiwma toy na apergei, taytoxrona na parempodizei thn proseleysh kai thn eisodo sta nosokomeia sympolitwn mas poy exoyn anagkh. To poly shmantiko agaqo ths ygeias den mporei na apotelei pedio tetoioy eidoys dienejewn gia oikonomikoys kai mono logoys. Pisteyoyme oti h lysh sto problhma qa prepei na epidiwxqei mesa apo synennohsh kai dialogo. To Ypoyrgeio Ygeias paramenei sth diaqesh twn giatrwn poy apergoyn. Ta nosokomeia se megalo pososto, symfwna me to neo systhma poy dhmioyrgeitai, leitoyrgoyn kai antapokrinontai stis apaithseis toy koinoy gia paroxh noshleytikwn yphresiwn. Yparxoyn problhmata se orismenes periptwseis, alloy perissotera, alloy ligotera. Pisteyoyme oti einai qema ligoy xronoy na antilhfqoyn kai oi giatroi th shmasia, thn idiaiterothta, thn krisimothta toy roloy toys kai na epanelqoyn sta kaqhkonta toys. O, ti problhma exei sxesh me oikonomika aithmata mporei na antimetwpistei mesa apo dialogo kai synennohsh kai, bebaia, me kalh pisth, dedomenoy oti oi ayjhseis stis apodoxes toys doqhkan kai h Kybernhsh antapokriqhke me synepeia sthn katartish toy eidikoy misqologioy gia toys giatroys. Den einai dynaton na dexqoyme mia diadikasia, h opoia qa epanaferei to kaqestws twn plasmatikwn efhmeriwn, thn amoibh dhladh gia ergasia poy pote den egine. Me ayth thn ennoia pisteyoyme oti prepei na syzhthsoyn oles oi pleyres. Se ayth th syzhthsh paramenei me kalh diaqesh h hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Ygeias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, oi giatroi den apergoyn gia tis amoibes toys. Apergoyn giati den ayjanontai ta kondylia gia thn ygeia, na dinontai sta nosokomeia kondylia. Den mporoyn na leitoyrghsoyn ta nosokomeia. Den exoyn farmaka, den exoyn mhxanhmata, den exoyn polla pragmata. Den apergoyn gia tis proswpikes amoibes toys. Bghkan kai eipan den mas endiaferoyn oi proswpikes amoibes. Eipan na enisxyqei to nosokomeio.

REPPAS: An, pragmatika, ayth einai h epishmh qesh twn giatrwn, na th qesoyn etsi se mia synanthsh me to Ypoyrgeio Ygeias kai tote h apergia, pisteyw, qa lyqei se ena lepto. An, pragmatika, oi giatroi dhlwnoyn oti to qema poy toys apasxolei den einai o ariqmos twn efhmeriwn kai oi amoibes toys gia tis efhmeries, alla genikws h enisxysh kai h xrhmatodothsh twn nosokomeiwn, tote pisteyw oti exoyme antimetwpisei to problhma, toylaxiston, se ayth th fash kai payei na yfistatai logos gia apergiakes kinhtopoihseis. Omws, qa moy epitrecete na pw oti den einai etsi. To megalo problhma exei dhmioyrghqei epeidh akribws oi giatroi, se kapoio pososto, den symfwnoyn me ton ariqmo twn efhmeriwn kai thn amoibh twn efhmeriwn aytwn, opws katartisthke apo to Ypoyrgeio Ygeias, meta apo protaseis twn Dioikhsewn twn nosokomeiwn. Pisteyw oti sthn prosklhsh toy Ypoyrgeioy Ygeias gia dialogo kai synennohsh prepei na proselqoyn me ayto to pneyma, me krithrio kai gnwmona thn idiaiterh apostolh toys kai, bebaiws, qa prepei na apodokimasoyn akraies symperifores, syxna ajiopoines, opws aytes ths parempodishs sympolitwn mas na eiselqoyn sta nosokomeia gia na dextoyn noshleytikes kai iatrikes yphresies.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ti na kanoyn na mpoyn sta nosokomeia otan den yparxoyn giatroi mesa;

REPPAS: Kanete laqos. Ta perissotera nosokomeia leitoyrgoyn ikanopoihtika kai prosferoyn yphresies stoys sympolites mas poy exoyn anagkh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Meta thn parembash toy eisaggelea lete;

REPPAS: Poia parembash;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den askhqhke, shmera;

REPPAS: Oi eisaggelikoi leitoyrgoi exoyn thn prwtoboylia twn kinhsewn gia ta qemata poy empiptoyn sta kaqhkonta toys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizete oti to prwi...

REPPAS: O eisaggeleas k. Kolliokwstas askhse diwjh kata pantos ypeyqynoy. Ayto den exei kamia sxesh me th synennohsh kai synergasia ths hgesias toy Ypoyrgeioy Ygeias me toys ekproswpoys twn apergoyntwn giatrwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayto einai apeilh.

REPPAS: Kamia sxesh. H Dikaiosynh leitoyrgei aytonoma. Oi epiloges twn eisaggelikwn leitoyrgwn qa prepei na ginontai sebastes.

KIAOS: Mia dieykrinish: Apo tis eidhseis to akoysa, oti o Eisaggeleys -poy anafereste ki eseis- kalese thn Astynomia na epilhfqei toy qematos, gia na leitoyrghsoyn ta nosokomeia. Ayta, epi lejei. Ti gnwrizete ep' aytoy eseis;

REPPAS: Egw gnwrizw oti askhse diwjh kata pantos ypeyqynoy, qewrwntas pws peristatika kata ta opoia kapoioi exoyn empodisei alloys na eiselqoyn sta nosokomeia, qa prepei oxi mono na apodokimastoyn, alla na antimetwpistoyn aytomatws kai akariaia. Kata thn eidhseografia eklhqhsan dynameis ths Astynomias na mhn epitrecoyn tetoia fainomena. Parempodishs, dhladh, politwn na eiselqoyn sta nosokomeia apo opoiondhpote allon, apo giatroys, en prokeimenw.

KIAOS: Dhladh, praktika shmainei oti qa parataxqoyn ta MAT, mprosta sta nosokomeia; Ti qa ginei;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh den exei kanei kamia tetoia epilogh. H Kybernhsh exei qesh thn opoia diatypwsa molis prin. Kalei toys ekproswpoys twn apergoyntwn giatrwn, na syzhthsoyn me thn hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Ygeias. Qa eimaste eytyxeis, h bash twn aithmatwn twn giatrwn na einai ayth poy eqese sthn erwthsh toy o k. Stamatopoylos. Elpizoyme oti, an ayth einai h bash, qa pacei na yfistatai logos gia synexish ths apergias. Elpizw oti qa antapokriqoyn se ayth th diarkh kai anoikth prosklhsh toy ypoyrgoy Ygeias oi apergoyntes giatroi, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistei apo koinoy ena qema to opoio, oso paramenei ekkremes, odhgei se talaipwria alla kai se kindynoys, gia thn ygeia para pollwn politwn ths Aqhnas, alla kai olhs ths xwras.

MIXAHL: Ti sxoliazei h Kybernhsh gia shmerino dhmosieyma basei toy opoioy o k. Abramopoylos ekane mia dwrea, h opoia einai antiqeth me thn isxyoysa eklogikh nomoqesia.

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh den asxoleitai me ayto to qema. An yparxoyn diadikasies, oi opoies qa prepei na antimetwpistoyn dia ths dikastikhs odoy, opoioi exoyn, amesws h emmesws, ennomo symferon mporoyn na anaqesoyn ta qemata ayta sta organa ths Dikaiosynhs, analambanontas kai tis sxetikes prwtoboylies. Den einai qema ths Kybernhshs ayto. O nomos yparxei kai prepei na ginetai sebastos. Panta prepei o nomos na ginetai sebastos kai o sebasmos kai h thrhsh twn nomwn einai diarkhs kai adiakoph ypoxrewsh olwn.

MIXAHL: Poios ton efarmozei to nomo k. Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: Oi polites prwta ap' ola.

MIXAHL: H Kybernhsh me ta organa ths den ton efarmozei;

REPPAS: Asfalws, alla exei anaqesei ton elegxo gia thn efarmogh twn nomwn sta organa ths Dikaiosynhs. Otan, loipon, diapistwnetai apo kapoioys to endexomeno h h bebaiothta kat' aytoys oti exoyme parabash toy nomoy, tote apeyqynontai sta organa ths Dikaiosynhs, ta opoia sto plaisio twn kaqhkontwn toys energoyn analogws.

MIXAHL: Nai, alla o nomos problepei kai dioikhtikoy typoy metra se periptwsh kata thn opoia apodeixqei h sxetikh parabash.

REPPAS: Asfalws. An apodeixqei kati tetoio, tote, bebaiws...

MIXAHL: Ereyna ginetai apo thn pleyra...

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti analhfqhke apo kapoioys sympolites mas ayth h prwtoboylia me thn opoia, pleon, kaloyntai na asxolhqoyn ta organa ths Dikaiosynhs. Qa anameinoyme tis dikes toys apofaseis. Den einai dynaton na ekdwsoyme emeis, ayth thn wra, apofash.

MIXAHL: Egw epimenw gia enan poly aplo logo. Giati o k. Papadopoylos, ws armodios Ypoyrgos, exei apo to nomo to dikaiwma na kanei ereyna kai an diapistwsei oti ontws ayta ta opoia shmera anaferontai sto dhmosieyma isxyoyn, na epiballei dioikhtikh poinh. Apo kei kai pera ean yparxoyn alloy typoy nomikes ekkremothtes, bebaiws apo to nomo einai qema poy aptetai twn armodiothtwn toy ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs. O k. Papadopoylos, loipon, kai ta armodia organa ths Kybernhshs, toy kratoys, qa epilhfqoyn toy qematos; Ayto rwthsa.

REPPAS: Hmoyn safhs. Polites poy qewroyn oti exoyn ginei parabaseis twn nomwn anelaban prwtoboylia. To ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn exei th dynatothta na probei se ereynes kai qa to kanei. Alla qa to kanei me enan tetoio tropo, wste na mh dwsei se opoiondhpote to dikaiwma na isxyrizetai oti kapoia skopimothta to wqei se mia tetoia ereyna. Ara, loipon, qa prepei, symfwna me thn prwtoboylia poy anelhfqh, na aposafhnistei pws exoyn ta pragmata, giati diatypwnontai para polles apoceis, kai akribws tote, otan exoyme safh kai dedomena ta apotelesmata ayths ths dikastikhs ereynas, qa prajoyme analogws.

SOYRMELH: Ara yparxei dikastikh ereyna.

REPPAS: Kapoioi apeyqynqhkan sth Dikaiosynh. Den einai kati to opoio parakoloyqoyme emeis. Eipa, den mas apasxolei ayto. Gnwrizete oti h Dikaiosynh leitoyrgei aytonoma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Mpehs esteile mia epistolh ston Prwqypoyrgo kai toy zhtaei sthn epomenh, otan exei perasei sto deytero gyro, na ton yposthrijei h ka Damanakh. O Prwqypoyrgos apanta; Ti apanta;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti yparxoyn texnasmata, ta opoia einai eyfyh, yparxoyn kai texnasmata ta opoia einai anepityxh. Sth deyterh kathgoria katatassetai kai to sygkekrimeno. O Prwqypoyrgos gnwrizete oti den asxoleitai me ayto to qema, poly perissotero otan den fainetai oti sto dhmotiko aqhnaiko orizonta, mporei na prokycei ena tetoio endexomeno.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati; Den qa apanthsei...

REPPAS: Den einai qema toy Prwqypoyrgoy ayto. Gi ayto akribws milhsa peri "texnasmatos".

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw ton eida ton Prwqypoyrgo mazi me toys Dhmarxoys sthn Hlioypolh, me toys Dhmarxoys apo dw kai me thn ka Damanakh. Pws den einai, pws den metexei;

REPPAS: Kai o k. Papadopoylos me ton k. Abramopoylo episkefqhkan ton k. Karamanlh. Asfalws, sto plaisio twn armodiothtwn kai twn kaqhkontwn toys, oloi oi foreis ths politikhs ejoysias h ths aytodioikhshs, qa prepei na synexisoyn na askoyn ta kaqhkonta toys. Den shmainei oti epeidh eishlqame se proeklogikh periodo qa prepei na odhghqoyme se plhrh adraneia, prokeimenoy na mhn kathgorhqoyme oti parembainoyme stis eklogikes diadikasies.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, den qa apanthsei, k. Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: Apanthsa hdh se esas.

FILHS: Symfwna me dhmosiografikes plhrofories, to NATO protiqetai na apofasisei syntomws -isws kai thn erxomenh ebdomada- an qa kanei stratiwtikh epembash sth Serbia. H Ellada einai melos toy NATO. Poia einai h qesh ths kai ti qa chfisei sto plaisio twn diaboyleysewn ths Symmaxias;

REPPAS: H qesh ths Elladas exei ekfrasqei me safhneia kai sas einai gnwsth. Pisteyoyme oti den einai dynaton na epidiwkontai apotelesmata me thn analhch stratiwtikhs drashs, prin ejantlhqoyn ta oria toy dialogoy kai ths synennohshs. Kai pisteyoyme oti den exoyn ejantlhqei. Pisteyoyme, epishs oti sta oria toy kratoys ths Neas Gioygkoslabias qa prepei na epiteyxqei h aytonomia poy exei problefqei edw kai arketa xronia gia to Kossyfopedio. S` ayth thn kateyqynsh prepei na kinhqoyn oles oi pleyres gia na jeperastei h krish. Sto plaisio ths diaboyleyshs twn melwn toy NATO qa diatypwsoyme ayth th qesh. Kai bebaiws, ektimwntas th qesh poy qa diatypwsoyn kai oi alles pleyres, qa staqmisoyme kai th dikh mas telikh qesh h chfo. Kai en pash periptwsei, qa kinhqoyme etsi, wste na symballoyme sthn antimetwpish ths krishs me tropo o opoios qa einai apotelesmatikos, xwris na odhgei se peraiterw ojynsh ths krishs.

FILHS: Dhladh h Kybernhsh ejetazei to endexomeno, analogws kai twn qesewn poy qa ekfrasoyn oi ypoloipoi, na kanei xrhsh toy dikaiwmatos toy beto;

REPPAS: Einai arketa nwris gia na milhsoyme me leptomereies, oson afora th qesh thn opoia qa anaptyjoyme sto plaisio aytwn twn diaboyleysewn. Den to kanei kaneis kai qa epitrecete kai se mas na exoyme th dynatothta kai thn eyxereia, to synolo twn qesewn mas na to anaptyjoyme ekeinh thn wra, sto plaisio twn diaboyleysewn. Alliws den exei nohma kai ajia mia tetoia diaboyleysh. Sas eipa poia einai h qesh mas. Sth qesh ayth paramenoyme.

KIAOS: Dhladh ws qesh arxhs, h Kybernhsh den mporei apo ta twra, o, ti ki an symbei, na apokleisei oti den metexei h einai anagkaio mias stratiwtikhs epembasews;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh, h xwra den mporei na apokleisei oti oi ypoxrewseis poy exei analabei ws melos toy NATO, einai ypoxrewseis stis opoies ofeilei na antapokrinetai, xwris na blaptontai ta eqnika mas symferonta.

KOLWTAS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa hqela to sxolio ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs se dhmosieyma toyrkikhs efhmeridas gia thn allagh stashs toy Raoyf Ntenktas, opoy apodexqhke na proselqei stis synomilies me ton Proedro Klhridh sto plaisio ths prwtoboylias twn Hnwmenwn Eqnwn.

REPPAS: An epibebaiwqei oti toyto apotelei thn epishmh qesh toy k. Ntenktas, mporoyme na milhsoyme gia qetikh ejelijh. Einai mia eyxaristh troph. Kai bebaiws, h Kypriakh Kybernhsh exei dhlwsei pws einai ana pasa stigmh etoimh na labei meros se mia tetoia diadikasia syzhthsewn, oi opoies sthrizontai sto plaisio twn apofasewn toy Symboylioy Asfaleias toy OHE kai twn Symfwniwn Koryfhs 1977 kai 1979. Apomenei, loipon, na aposafhnistei kai na dieykrinistei apolytws, poia einai h epishmh qesh toy k. Ntenktas.

FILHS: Sto prohgoymeno qema: H ellhnikh qesh gia to qema ths natoikhs epembashs sth Serbia den synartatai kai me to dedomeno an to Symboylio Asfaleias toy OHE qa dwsei to prasino fws h oxi sthn epembash; Qewroyme oti to NATO nomimopoieitai apo mono toy na labei tetoia apofash;

REPPAS: Kat` epanalhch exoyme milhsei, peran ths politikhs, kai gia th nomikh bash kai aitiologia, prokeimenoy na analhfqei mia tetoia drasthriothta. Paramenoyme s` ayth th qesh. Otan sas eipa oti paramenoyme s` ayth th qesh, metajy twn allwn, ennooysa oti symperilambanetai kai ayto to shmeio, to opoio kat` epanalhch exoyme diakhryjei.

FILHS: Pio sygkekrimena dhladh, qewroyme...

REPPAS: Poly safhs hmoyn.

FILHS: To NATO exei th nomikh kai politikh, bebaiws, dynatothta mono toy na apofasisei, xwris to Symboylio Asfaleias toy OHE tetoia epembash;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti qesame eyqys ej arxhs kai ayto to qema ths apofashs organwn toy Organismoy Hnwmenwn Eqnwn. H qesh ayth paramenei. To qema ayto loipon, to qetoyme. Den exoyme arei ayth thn epifylajh h ayth thn apaithsh, na ejasfalistei kai na diasfalistei h nomikh bash epi ths opoias ayth h stratiwtikh prwtoboylia qa anaptyxqei kai qa analhfqei.

FILHS: Synista proypoqesh gia thn Ellada, prokeimenoy na symmetasxei se mia tetoia epembash toy NATO;

REPPAS: Kyrie Filh, einai ena apo ta shmeia ta opoia exoyme qesei, prokeimenoy na proxwrhsoyme se analhch drashs. Paramenei ayth h qesh, den allazei. Qelete na xrhsimopoihsete th lejh "proypoqesh". Symmerizomai oti mporei na einai proypoqesh, giati exoyme pei kat` epanalhch, opws kai se alles periptwseis, pws pantote apaiteitai h analhch ths politikhs eyqynhs kai h dhmioyrgia mias nomikhs platformas, prokeimenoy na yparjei apo koinoy me alles xwres mia tetoia drash. Paramenoyme s` ayth th qesh, den allazei apolytws tipota. Eimai kathgorhmatikos.

FILHS: Yparxei kai h Diabalkanikh Synodos sthn Attaleia. H Kybernhsh qewrei oti dieykolynetai h ephreazetai h den ephreazetai h pragmatopoihsh kai h eyodwsh twn stoxwn ayths ths Syskechs apo to gegonos oti mporei na exei proyparjei natoikh epembash ths Serbias, dhladh se ena balkaniko kratos, se ena kratos poy o hgeths toy qa symmetasxei s` ayth th Synodo sthn Attaleia;

REPPAS: Gi` ayto einai xrhsimh h Balkanikh Diaskech. Gi` ayto h Ellada -poy eixe thn idea- proteine thn organwsh, se ethsia bash, ayths ths Balkanikhs Diaskechs, epeidh ta idiaitera qemata ths perioxhs prepei na ta syzhtoyn oi hgetes twn xwrwn ths Balkanikhs, prokeimenoy na anazhtoyn kai na briskoyn tis kalyteres lyseis. Apo kei kai pera, pisteyw oti ayth thn wra parelkei na kanoyme diafora senaria peri toy pws qa ejelixqoyn ta pragmata sth Gioygkoslabia, poly perissotero otan den exei kan synedriasei ena organo, prokeimenoy na labei apofash. Einai poly prowro loipon, na poyme o, tidhpote. Gnwrizete poly kala oti mia tetoia prwtoboylia, asfalws emperiexei kai kindynoys. To gnwrizoyme ki emeis poly kala, gi` ayto eyqys ej arxhs exoyme diatypwsei th qesh poy kat` epanalhch exoyme ekfrasei. Den einai kati kainoyrgio ayto. Kalo einai na apofeyxqei. Alla ayto to opoio einai zhtoymeno, den einai na mhn yparxei genikws stratiwtikh drash. Ayto to opoio einai zhtoymeno einai na pacoyn oi exqroprajies sthn perioxh, na pacei o polemos, na mhn exoyme qymata aqwoys polites apo ayth th diamaxh, na apokatastaqei h nomimothta, h asfaleia kai h tajh. Aytos einai o skopos kai s` ayth thn kateyqynsh prepei na kinoyntai oloi.

FILHS: H Kybernhsh epibebaiwnei thn plhroforia poy apodidetai sto neo Albano Prwqypoyrgo oti prokeitai na analhfqei mia prwtoboylia koinh apo tis HPA, thn Italia kai thn Ellada gia thn anaptyjh ths Albanias;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos epikoinwnhse thlefwnikws me to neo Albano Prwqypoyrgo. Ton kalese na episkefqei thn Ellada, ton diabebaiwse gia thn ameristh symparastash poy qa exei s` ayth thn prospaqeia toy gia thn anasygkrothsh ths xwras toy apo thn Ellhnikh Kybernhsh kai ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo k. Shmith, proswpika. Sto plaisio ayths ths epikoinwnias, me to diaylo poy anoije, h Ellada qa kanei, eite monh ths, eite se synergasia me alles xwres ta panta, prokeimenoy na enisxysei thn prospaqeia ths Albanias na anaptyxqei, na proodeysei kai bebaiws na diasfalisei thn eswterikh hremia kai tajh, ws aparaithth proypoqesh gia na epityxei toys stoxoys ths.

MIXAHL: Meres twra mas lete gia to gegonos poy synebh, na mh biastoyme na bgaloyme symperasmata kai na afhsoyme na oloklhrwqei h ereyna poy exei analhfqei gia thn ypoqesh Matei kai na perimenoyme ta porismata ths ereynas. Par` ola ayta, erxontai nea stoixeia sto fws. Qa hqela na sas rwthsw an gnwrizete to oti afhse kapoio oplostasio kai kapoia alla antikeimena o Matei sto spiti ths filhs toy. Ayto apokalyfqhke apo dhmosiografikh ereyna, h opoia dystyxws den mporei na perimenei.

REPPAS: Tis prohgoymenes hmeres, milwntas gia to idio qema, eipa oti polla pragmata den gnwrizw. Kai asfalws den gnwrizoyme para polla pragmata ta opoia exoyn sxesh me to bio kai thn politeia toy kakopoioy. Ayto einai logiko, einai fysiologiko. Ta organa ths Politeias poy exoyn analabei to ergo ayto, na ereynhsoyn oles tis ptyxes toy qematos, pisteyw oti qa ajiologhsoyn kai ayta ta stoixeia ta opoia erxontai sthn epifaneia, alla qa anazhthsoyn kai otidhpote allo einai xrhsimo, prokeimenoy na kanoyn th doyleia toys. Den einai qema diko mas.

FILHS: Eseis, stis epimones erwthseis gia thn metagwgh kai ta synafh qemata gia thn ypoqesh toy Matei Sorin, parapempate sth dienergoymenh dikastikh ereyna. Xqes, o k. Giannopoylos ebgale, kata kapoio tropo, ena apallaktiko boyleyma, den jeroyme omws me ti stoixeia, gia th symperifora ths Astynomias. Kai eipe, malista, oti ola orqws ginane, orqws edrase h Astynomia kata thn metagwgh toy kratoymenoy, opws epishs kai oti orqws eixe balei xeiropedes panw sto foreio. Exei kapoia stoixeia, poy den gnwrizete eseis, o k. Giannopoylos sta opoia sthrizontai aytes oi ektimhseis kai symfwnei me thn antilhch peri dikaiokratikhs kai eynomoymenhs Politeias gia thn opoia exei pei polles fores h Kybernhsh oti synadei me thn antilhch h apoch toy k. Giannopoyloy gia tis xeiropedes sto foreio;

REPPAS: Anaferomenos sto qema o k. Giannopoylos, pisteyw, oti ekane didaskalia ychloy epipedoy. Giati; Giati einai aytos o opoios me kathgorhmatiko tropo eipe oti akomh kai o pleon stygnos egklhmatias qa prepei na exei mia tetoia metaxeirish, wste na toy dinetai h dynatothta na askei ta dikaiwmata toy. Ayto einai kratos dikaioy. Kai s` ayto to pneyma milhsa kai egw. O k. Giannopoylos, o opoios einai Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs, milaei panta poly prosektika. Den nomizw oti exei dwsei labh gia na diatypwnontai kathgories peri ths merolhcias h opoia mporei na diakrinei kapoia apo ta organa ta opoia exoyn analabei ayto ton elegxo, ayth thn ereyna. O k. Giannopoylos, asfalws, den ebgale porisma. Asfalws, den apedwse eyqynes, oyte apallaje twn eyqynwn, an yparxoyn eyqynes tetoies, kapoioys. O k. Giannopoylos qelei na dhmioyrghsei mia aisqhsh sthn koinh gnwmh oti ola prepei na ginontai makria apo skopimothtes, makria apo ephreasmoys, makria apo fanatismo poy polles fores apoteloyn arnhtikoys paragontes kai ephreazoyn thn orqh kai dikaih krish. Ayth thn orqh kai dikaih krish twn organwn poy exoyn analabei thn ereyna, qelei na diasfalisei o k. Giannopoylos. Kai na eiste sigoyros oti pantote diasfalizetai. Qa prostateysei h Kybernhsh thn aytonomia twn armodiwn forewn na oloklhrwsoyn me epityxia thn ereyna toys.

FILHS: Dhladh, den yparxoyn pros to paron, porismata ths dikastikhs ereynas gi` ayto poy eipe o k. Giannopoylos, oti h Astynomia ekane kala th doyleia ths sto qema ths metagwghs;

REPPAS: Exoyme milhsei kat` epanalhch gi` ayto. Syzhthsame me leptomereies...

FILHS: Ti leptomereies;

REPPAS: Me leptomereies syzhthsame gia to pws ejelixqhkan ta gegonota, mexri thn wra poy diataxqhke h dikastikh ereyna. Qa oloklhrwqei h ereyna kai qa gnwrisoyme tis leptomereies olwn aytwn twn symbantwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Shmera, mia ebdomadiaia efhmerida grafei oti o Prwqypoyrgos gnwrize thn epembash. Kai enhmerwnotan kai gnwrize kai edwse, malista, thn entolh, opws afhnei na ennohqei. Exete na peite kati;

REPPAS: Exw na pw oti apla to "PONTIKI" anadhmosieyei to dialogo poy eixame edw. Gnwrizoyme eseis ti rwthsate kai egw ti apanthsa. Den prokyptei kati neo. Apo ekei kai pera -kai ayto den dhmosieyetai- exw apanthsei se sxetikh erwthsh kai eipa oti asfalws, mporoyn parallhla na yparxoyn, afenos h enhmerwsh poy prosferetai pros to Geniko Grammatea toy Ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs kai pros ton Prwqypoyrgo kai afeteroy h drasthriothta poy, me dikh toys apofash, exoyn analabei ta organa ths Astynomias. To ena den apokleiei to allo. Exw apanthsei, dhladh, s` ayto to qema, edw kai arketes hmeres, otan teqhke analogh erwthsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Thn entolh, leei, oti thn edwse o Prwqypoyrgos;

REPPAS: Exw apanthsei se ola ayta me poly megalh safhneia. Kai sas parapempw s` aytes tis apanthseis, tis opoies -an qelete- mporw na prosdiorisw poias hmeras syzhthsh aforoyn kai se poia selida toy briefing, periexontai.

KIAOS: Otan o Ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs bgainei kai kanei aytes tis dhlwseis, gia tis opoies erwthqhkate, eseis, pote qa mas dwsete thn apanthsh, poios dietaje thn metagwgh apo to ena nosokomeio sto allo;

REPPAS: Egw den dinw apanthseis poy ekfrazoyn emena. Den ekfrazw toys dikoys moy problhmatismoys. Egw mporw na sas enhmerwsw gia ta apotelesmata mias ereynas, efoson omws, yparjoyn apotelesmata, efoson oloklhrwqei h ereyna. Mexri tote, loipon, qa eiste ypomonetikoi kai sygkrathmenoi.

Eyxaristw poly.

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