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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 26.3.1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

* Shmera to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos eixe synergasia me ton Ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Oikonomias k. Papantwnioy kai to Dioikhth ths Trapezas ths Ellados k. Papadhmo, enocei kai ths ayrianhs synedriashs toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy.

* Argotera, dexqhke ton Ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Amynas k. Tsoxatzopoylo kai synergasthkan gia qemata toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynas, enocei kai ths epikeimenhs synedriashs toy KYSEA.

* To meshmeri, stis 14.00, qa dexqei to Grammatea ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs toy PASOK k. Skandalidh.

* Ayrio, synedriazei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Sth synedriash ayth qa ginei mia episkophsh, mia ejetash ths politikhs poy akoloyqoyme meta thn prosarmogh ths isotimias toy nomismatos mas. Qa syzhthsoyme gia thn poreia ekteleshs toy Proypologismoy kai qa epibebaiwsoyme thn prospaqeia mas, h efarmogh ayth na einai apolytws pisth. Epishs, qa ejetasoyme th dynatothta perikopwn se dapanes oi opoies den einai koinwnikes, den einai anaptyjiakes, einai leitoyrgikes, aforoyn epidothseis kai m' ayth thn ennoia mporei na antimetwpistoyn. Ayth einai mia prospaqeia thn opoia kanoyme gia na petyxoyme toys stoxoys poy exoyme qesei. Epishs, qa syzhthsoyme thn poreia toy programmatos apokratikopoihsewn me bash ta osa exei anakoinwsei h Kybernhsh. Gia to qema ths Olympiakhs Aeroporias, idiaiterws, alla kai genikotera ths ejygianshs twn Dhmosiwn Epixeirhsewn, qa ginei mia anafora gia to pws ejelissetai h politikh mas ston tomea ayto.

* Epishs ayrio to meshmeri, o Prwqypoyrgos qa dexqei to Geniko Grammatea toy Symboylioy ths Eyrwphs k. Starskis kai sth synexeia. stis 15.30, qa dexqei ton Ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Oikonomias ths Gallias k. Stros Kan, o opoios episkeptetai thn Ellada.

* Ayth thn wra, einai se ejelijh syskech sth Nomarxia ths Aqhnas, ypo ton Ypoyrgo Eswterikwn k. Papadopoylo, me th symmetoxh Genikwn Grammatewn, Nomarxwn kai Dhmarxwn apo perioxes kai dhmoys poy exoyn plhgei apo ta fainomena ths kakokairias. H paroysia twn Yphresiwn toy Dhmosioy einai eparkhs, opoy xreiazetai, gia na antimetwpistoyn oi synepeies poy prokyptoyn apo ta kairika ayta fainomena. Eytyxws den exoyme qymata. Oi ylikes zhmies einai sxetika periorismenes. Ginetai o,ti to kalytero apo thn Astynomia, apo tis dynameis toy Stratoy, apo tis dhmosies yphresies, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistoyn ta problhmata ta opoia exoyn prokycei.

* Dhmosieythke h Ekqesh ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs gia thn katastash ths ellhnikhs oikonomias. H Ekqesh ayth einai ikanopoihtikh. Anagnwrizei thn proodo poy exei syntelestei ta teleytaia xronia sthn patrida mas me thn askoymenh oikonomikh politikh. Epibebaiwnetai pws h tash ths ellhnikhs oikonomias einai tash sygklishs. Gi' ayto, akribws, prosypografetai h prospaqeia thn opoia kanei h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh gia thn epiteyjh toy stoxoy mas, poy einai h entajh ths Elladas sthn ONE, thn 1.1.2001. Qewroyme pws o stoxos aytos einai efiktos. H poreia poy akoloyqoyme einai poreia sygklishs, arkei me thn idia synepeia, paramenontas proshlwmenoi stoys stoxoys poy exoyme qesei, na synexisoyme ayth thn prospaqeia.

* Qa moy epitrecete na kanw ena sxolio gia fainomena h syzhthseis poy exoyn sxesh me thn egklhmatikothta poy ekdhlwnetai thn teleytaia periodo. Prepei na pw oti h ellhnikh koinwnia einai mia koinwnia poy, apo thn paradosh ths, thn istoria ths kai ton politismo ths, paramenei anoikth kai dhmokratikh kai den prokeitai na ginei "mikromesaiwnas". Ayto den qa to epitrecoyme.

Epishs, me thn politikh poy akoloyqoyme, toso gia thn patajh ths egklhmatikothtas, oso kai gia thn omalopoihsh ths agoras ergasias, pisteyoyme oti exoyme dhmioyrghsei ena plaisio gia thn antimetwpish twn fainomenwn egklhmatikothtas kai thn ejaleich olwn ekeinwn twn anhsyxiwn poy prepei na pw oti, kat' epektash, dhmioyrgoyn kai problhmata sthn omalh leitoyrgia ths ellhnikhs koinwnias. Den prepei na rixnoyme nero sto mylo ths jenofobias kai toy ratsismoy. Lypoymai na pw oti, polles fores -meta ta sxolia poy ekana th Deytera, epanerxomai shmera- den antimetwpizetai to problhma ayto me th deoysa eyqynh. Akomh kai sta Mesa Enhmerwshs, exoyme fainomena opoy, en onomati mias eykolhs alla aqemiths kerdoforias, polloi probainoyn se diaboykolhsh ths koinhs gnwmhs, proseggizontas ayta ta qemata m' enan tropo, o opoios den exei kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta, me thn ennoia oti h apodosh toy syllogikoy doloy kai ths syllogikhs eyqynhs, einai fainomena toy mesaiwna. Den prepei na epanalambanontai shmera. Ta peristasiaka fainomena paranomwn h egklhmatikwn prajewn prepei na antimetwpizontai apofasistika. H Politeia einai isxyrh kai ta antimetwpizei, alla kai h genikh stash mas qa prepei, pagiws, na einai stash poy qa th diakrinei h cyxraimia, h logikh kai h eyqynh. M' ayth thn ennoia, qewrw pws exoyn parathrhqei yperboles. Qa prepei na mhn jexnoyme tis istorikes analogies. Oi Ellhnes breqhkan se jenes xwres kai synebalan, me thn ekei diamonh toys, sthn anasygkrothsh twn xwrwn kai sthn anaptyjh twn oikonomiwn twn jenwn xwrwn kai ayto to epixeirhma -to opoio kat' epanalhch exoyme xrhsimopoihsei- einai isxyro epixeirhma. Pisteyw oti h ellhnikh koinwnia exei oles tis dynatothtes na epibalei toys kanones ekeinoys, basei twn opoiwn qa zoyn, edw sth xwra mas, polites proerxomenoi apo alles xwres, oi opoioi qa sebontai toys nomoys toy kratoys, qa einai dhmioyrgikoi, h paroysia toys qa einai qetikh kai bebaiws den qa apomonwnontai logw ths katagwghs toys, alla qa krinontai, opws oloi oi polites s' ayth th xwra, analogws ths symperiforas toys h twn prajewn toys. Sto plaisio ths politikhs ayths -ginomai pio sygkekrimenos- o Prwqypoyrgos, meta apo syskeceis poy eixe, exei dwsei sygkekrimenes entoles: Edwse entolh stis dynameis ths Astynomias na enteinoyn thn prospaqeia toys, me peripolies kai alloys tropoys, gia ton elegxo paranomwn kai egklhmatikwn prajewn. Exei dwsei entolh gia thn kataqesh sth Boylh -entos ths epomenhs ebdomadas- kai thn taxytath prowqhsh gia syzhthsh, toy nomosxedioy poy problepei thn idrysh kai leitoyrgia toy Swmatos ths Synoriakhs Froyras. To Swma ayto, qa stelexwqei -se prwth fash- me 1.000 andres oi opoioi, me antikeimenikes diadikasies, qa proslhfqoyn gia na apartisoyn th Synoriakh Froyra. Epishs, o Prwqypoyrgos exei dwsei safh entolh gia entatikopoihsh twn diadikasiwn epanaprowqhshs allodapwn poy briskontai sthn Ellada, allodapwn oi opoioi den mporoyn na apodeijoyn oti exoyn eiselqei sth xwra mas prin tis 31.12.1997 h den exoyn promhqeytei th Leykh Karta, me bash ta osa problepei to Proedriko Diatagma poy isxyei apo tis 28.11.1997. Pisteyoyme oti oi prwtoboylies poy exei analabei h Kybernhsh einai plhreis. Dinoyn apanthsh sta problhmata kai tis anhsyxies, oi opoies prokaloyntai apo fainomena egklhmatikothtas, ta opoia -en pash periptwsei- einai sporadika. Den exoyn thn ektash kai to baqmo, wste na prokaleitai anhsyxia sthn ellhnikh koinwnia, apo ena tetoio fainomeno, opws symbainei se alles xwres. H Ellada, epanalambanw, einai mia koinwnia opoy h tajh kai h asfaleia twn politwn briskontai se ychlo epipedo. Prepei na kanoyme ola ekeina ta beltiwtika bhmata kai tis prospaqeies, prokeimenoy na mhn yparxoyn oi anhsyxies poy kai shmera yparxoyn se kapoio baqmo. S' ayth thn kateyqynsh kinoymeqa kai pisteyw oti qa epityxoyme to kalytero apotelesma.

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

LAKOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, me bash to teleytaio poy eipate: Kat' arxhn, qelw na sas rwthsw ean h Kybernhsh protiqetai, dia toy Ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn, na ereynhsei tis nomikes synqhkes, ypo tis opoies h Koinothta elabe th gnwsth apofash kai na epidiwjei thn akyrwsh ths, giati peran toy sxoliasmoy h apofash yfistatai.

REPPAS: Antilambaneste oti mia tetoia apofash den mporei na exei thn isxy ths efarmoghs enos nomoy, fer' eipein, h mias apofashs ths Kybernhshs. Den einai dynaton na pairnoyn kapoioi -opws koinws leme- to nomo sta xera toys, poly perissotero otan aytoi oi opoioi probainoyn se tetoies prwtoboylies exoyn kai oi idioi mia empeiria, h opoia den dikaiologei ayth thn antidrash toys. Giati gnwrizw oti s' ayth thn Koinothta apasxoloyntai Albanoi, s' ayth thn Koinothta exoyn anaptyxqei tetoies kales sxeseis me jenoys oi opoioi ergazontai ekei, den exoyn parathrhqei fainomena tetoia poy na dikaiologoyn ayth thn ekrhjh. Ennow oti mexri shmera, apo ta stoixeia poy exw syllejei, sth sygkekrimenh Koinothta, nomizw oti exoyn anaferqei tesseris klopes, symfwna me to astynomiko deltio. Gi' ayto qewrw oti h antidrash einai yperbolikh. Isws politikoi h alloi logoi ypagoreyoyn mia tetoia stash. Den qa prepei omws, prokeimenoy na yperaspistoyme to meizon, poy einai h asfaleia twn politwn, na probainoyme se tetoies energeies, oi opoies telika oxi mono den lynoyn to problhma, alla dhmioyrgoyn akomh megalytera problhmata, poly perissotero giati exoyn to sperma enos khrygmatos misoys, enos khrygmatos jenofobias kai ratsismoy. Ayta ta fainomena einai apolytws apodokimastea. Kai h apofash poy elabe to Koinotiko Symboylio einai apodokimastea, einai aparadekth. Me ayth thn ennoia, apotelei antikeimeno endiaferontos ths Politeias kai na eiste sigoyroi oti h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh, h ellhnikh koinwnia einai isxyrh kai mporei na antimetwpizei tetoia fainomena, mhn epitrepontas se opoiondhpote, gia dikoys toy logoys, na analambanei prwtoboylies, dhqen gia na prosferei koinwniko ergo, alla sthn oysia gia na ejyphrethsei kapoioys dikoys toy akoma kai idioteleis skopoys.

LAKOPOYLOS: Kai kati akomh, an moy epitrepete. Milhsate gia epanaprowqhsh oswn ek twn metanastwn den exoyn Leykh Karta. Apo ta stoixeia poy exoyme ypoch mas, yparxei mia megalh apoklish, anamesa s' aytoys poy den exoyn Karta kai s' aytoys poy kat' ektimhsh briskontai paranoma sthn Ellada. Merikoi miloyn gia 400.000 kai perissoteroys, poy den exoyn parei Leykh Karta. Erwtw an h Politeia protiqetai, giati, an den kanw laqos, h proqesmia lhgei telos Maioy, na epimhkynei ayth thn proqesmia h an qa anazhthsei alloys tropoys na paroyn ayth thn Karta osoi den thn phran, giati den fantazomai na milate gia epanaprowqhsh 400.000 atomwn.

REPPAS: H enhmerwsh einai plhrhs, o xronos einai arketos. Pisteyw oti mexri to telos Maioy oi allodapoi poy zoyn sthn Ellada, prepei na epidiwjoyn proserxomenoi stis kata topoys Yphresies, na paroysiasoyn ta stoixeia toys, wste na diekdikhsoyn sth synexeia kai na laboyn thn Prasinh Karta. Prepei na pw oti aytoi poy den diaqetoyn nomimopoihtika eggrafa, ayth thn periodo, sthn Ellada, to bebaio einai oti, efoson entopizontai, qa epanaprowqoyntai sth xwra toys. Den yparxei allos tropos gia na antimetwpisoyme ayto to fainomeno.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, efoson den yparxei ejarsh ths egklhmatikothtas, giati phre ayta ta metra o Prwqypoyrgos;

REPPAS: Giati, k. Stamatopoyle, ta metra ayta den einai tipota allo para h synexeia sthn politikh poy exoyme ejaggeilei, edw kai para poly kairo, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyme mia nea pragmatikothta, ena neo fainomeno. To neo ayto fainomeno den einai allo, para h eisodos sthn Ellada ekatontadwn xiliadwn allodapwn, oi opoioi afenos xrhsimopoioyntai se diafores ergasies, poy me perifronhsh antimetwpizoyn se polles perioxes oi Ellhnes polites, enw afeteroy yparxoyn kai stoixeia anamesa toys ta opoia exoyn anaptyjei mia antikoinwnikh kai egklhmatikh stash kai symperifora. H anakoinwsh gia thn idrysh ths Synoriakhs Astynomias exei ginei edw kai para poly kairo. Ayto to opoio sas lew egw shmera, einai oti entos ths epomenhs ebdomadas katatiqetai to nomosxedio sth Boylh. Den sas lew kati kainoyrgio. Apla sas enhmerwnw gia thn proodo efarmoghs aytoy toy metroy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati tote edwse entoles gia peripolies;

REPPAS: Ma, gnwrizete poly kala oti oloklhrwqhke h ekpaideysh oswn eixan eiselqei stis Astynomikes Sxoles, edw kai arketes hmeres. Kai gi' ayto, akribws, employtismenh me to neo anqrwpino dynamiko h Ellhnikh Astynomia, mporei na diaqesei tis aparaithtes dynameis gia peripolies -epoxoymenes kai pezh peripolies- prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyme kai di' aytoy toy tropoy fainomena diasaleyshs ths dhmosias tajhs kai asfaleias. H epanaprowqhsh allodapwn poy zoyn sthn Ellada, einai mia politikh h opoia pagiws akoloyqeitai. Me diaforetikoys ryqmoys, alla akoloyqeitai pagiws.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H entatikopoihsh poy eipate, milhsate gia peripolies ...

REPPAS: Entatikopoihsh, asfalws entatikopoihsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Efqase na dinei tis entoles o Prwqypoyrgos. Paei na pei oti yparxei kapoio problhma.

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos, k. Stamatopoyle, pros megalh lyph para pollwn, einai parwn, asxoleitai me ola ta qemata ths xwras. Kai prepei na sas pw oti, epeidh exei gnwsh twn problhmatwn poy antimetwpizei h ellhnikh koinwnia kai o ellhnikos laos, einai se qesh na dinei kateyqynseis gia ola ayta ta qemata, prokeimenoy na exoyme kalytera apotelesmata. Giati sas kanei entypwsh ayto;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai kati allo na rwthsw: Einai to idio oi Ellhnes metanastes; Den einai kapws periergo, na sygkrinete toys Ellhnes metanastes me toys allodapoys poy exoyn erqei twra sthn Ellada;

REPPAS: Den kanw kamia sygkrish.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pws den kanete;

REPPAS: Gia istorikes analogies milhsa. Kai gnwrizete oti yparxoyn para polla stoixeia ta opoia exoyn dhmosieyqei, gia th stash Ellhnwn allodapwn se jenes xwres, stis HPA p.x., kapoia orismenh periodo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eixan anaptyjei egklhmatikothta;

REPPAS: Qelw na zhthsw, na blepoyme ta pragmata ap' oles tis pleyres, giati alliws, qa zoyme me fantasiwseis kai monomanies kai ayto den einai kalos symboylos gia mia koinwnia h opoia epidiwkei na sygxronizetai me tis alles koinwnies ths Eyrwphs kai na epitygxanei koinoys stoxoys. Loipon, qelw na eimaste eyaisqhtoi, alla cyxraimoi kai logikoi taytoxronws.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eixan anaptyjei egklhmatikothta oi Ellhnes poy phgan stis HPA;

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, egw den qa kanw istorikh katagrafh ths paroysias...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti kanete;

REPPAS: ... Ellhnwn se jenes xwres.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To eipate.

REPPAS: Prepei na pw oti polles jenes kybernhseis kata kairoys, palaiotera, exoyn apodwsei eyqynes se Ellhnes metanastes. Mh meinoyme, loipon, agnowntas aytes tis istorikes analogies, se proseggish enos problhmatos me tropo monodiastato. Den epitrepetai.

MIXAHL: Qelw na kanete ena sxolio gia thn anakoinwsh poy ejedwse xqes o Proedros ths ESHEA, opoy leei oti kai Mesa Enhmerwshs exoyn kallierghsei ayto to klima. Kai peripoy, analogoy periexomenoy sxolio ekane shmera kai o Proedros toy Radiothleoptikoy Symboylioy k. Kasimaths. H Kybernhsh, loipon, ti leei gia ola ayta; REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti ekana ena sxolio gi' ayto to qema, gia ta Mesa Enhmerwshs. Einai apolytws qetikh h anakoinwsh ths ESHEA kai poly swsta ta sxolia ta opoia ekane o Proedros toy Symboylioy Radiothleorashs. Se mia eleyqerh koinwnia ta MME einai eleyqera. Prepei na throyn kanones deontologias. Kai bebaiws, ayta ta qemata na ta proseggizoyn me th deoysa eyqynh, wste na anadeiknyoyn ta qemata gia na prosferoyn yphresies sth xwra kai ston ellhniko lao. Oxi gia logoys ekmetalleyshs enocei ths agwnias gia ychlh thleqeash h akroamatikothta, enocei telikws ths prospaqeias gia mia eykolh, alla aqemith kerdoforia. Mono etsi, pisteyw, oi leitoyrgoi twn Meswn Enhmerwshs timoyn to leitoyrghma toys.

TOYMASHS: Epeidh yparxei mia anamfisbhthth epibarynsh toy astynomikoy deltioy me kroysmata egklhmatikothtas -eite to qeloyme, eite oxi- eseis apodidete se aneparkeia kai anapotelesmatikothta toy Ypoyrgeioy Dhmosias Tajhs thn ayjhsh ayth h se kati allo poy qa mporoysate na prosdiorisete;

REPPAS: Prepei na pw kai pali oti ta fainomena ayta sthn Ellada einai periorismena. An katanohsoyme poies allages exoyn ginei ta teleytaia xronia -yparxei ayth h megalh kinhtikothta twn plhqysmwn- gnwrizete para poly kala oti kai pali h Ellada paramenei mia koinwnia, opoy h hremia kai h asfaleia diasfalizontai. M' ayth thn ennoia den qa prepei ayta ta peristasiaka fainomena na ta antimetwpizoyme san na einai h genikh katastash sthn opoia exei perielqei h ellhnikh koinwnia. Ayto den einai alhqes kai mas odhgei para polles fores se khrygmata misoys, ratsismoy kai jenofobias. Ayto prepei na to apofygoyme, giati einai para poly epikindynos o dromos aytos. An kapoioi mas kaloyn na ton akoloyqhsoyme emeis antidroyme apotelesmatika, pisteyontas oti oi yphresies toy Dhmosioy kai oi Arxes Diwjhs einai ikanes na diasfalisoyn thn hremia, thn tajh kai thn asfaleia, apomonwnontas aytoys poy epideiknyoyn antikoinwnikh kai egklhmatikh symperifora. Kai ayto, xwris genikeyseis, dioti kati tetoio odhgei se Mesaiwna.

KAMPOYRGIANNH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh me osa mas eipate peri jenofobias kai ratsismoy apodidete eyqynes se merida twn M.M.E., qa hqela na sas rwthsw eyqews: Mhpws yparxei adynamia kai oligwria toy Kratoys na prostateysei toys polites;

REPPAS: Pisteyoyme oti oi polites prostateyontai. Epanalambanw oti ta fainomena ayta einai mikra se ektash kai ariqmo kai den dikaiologoyn ayto ton tono fwnhs o opoios ycwnetai otan syzhtoyme ayta ta qemata. Den dikaiologeitai aytos o tonos fwnhs. Apo thn allh, exoyme pei edw kai para poly kairo -kai epanalambanw- oti h prospaqeia poy kanoyme employtizetai me nea metra, me nees drasthriothtes. Kai anaferomai sto Synoriako Swma, to opoio syntoma idryetai, sthn enisxysh ths dynamhs ths ELAS kai sthn anaptyjh newn morfwn drasthriothtas apo thn pleyra ths Astynomias gia thn antimetwpish twn fainomenwn. Den einai ta fainomena ayta tosa kai tetoia wste na dikaiologeitai ayth h qewrhtikh proseggish, dioti pleon exoyme jefygei apo th syzhthsh peri twn sygkekrimenwn prajewn kai ginontai qewrhtikes syzhthseis gia to poioi exoyn eyqynes. Kai malista oi eyqynes aytes apodidontai akrita kai apodidontai se eqnothtes, me ena tetoio tropo o opoios den einai tekmhriwmenos. Kai ayto den prepei na ginetai.

SOYRMELIDHS: H Kybernhsh mila, kyrie Ypoyrge, gia epanaprowqhsh, gia ...

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh panta akoloyqei kai efarmozei ayth thn politikh -mias kai milhsate gia thn epanaprowqhsh- kai bebaiws enteinoyme thn prospaqeia mas, wste na einai, oson to dynaton megalyteros o ariqmos ekeinwn poy den exoyn ta nomimopoihtika eggrafa kai briskontai sthn Ellada, toys opoioys qa epanaprowqhsoyme sth xwra toys. Exoyme katalhjei se ena sygkekrimeno plaisio. Kai to qesmiko ayto plaisio dinei th dynatothta se oloys ekeinoys poy qeloyn na parameinoyn sthn Ellada kai na entaxqoyn nomimws kai omala sthn ellhnikh koinwnia, na ajiopoihsoyn aytes tis diadikasies, ayto to plaisio. Opoioi den to kanoyn, bebaiws, qa exoyn mia allh antimetwpish. Ayto prepei na einai anamenomeno.

KAMPOYRGIANNH: H erwthsh den exei na kanei me ta metra poy pairnete h qa parete kai th sygkrothsh poy qa ginei. Rwtw an yphrje oligwria kai fqasame ws edw.

REPPAS: To oti yparxoyn egklhmatikes prajeis ofeiletai se polloys paragontes. Mporei na pei kapoios oti kai oi arxes toy Kratoys, poy einai armodies na antimetwpizoyn to egklhma, isws den deixnoyn thn analogh epimeleia. Kai mia egklhmatikh prajh na yparxei, pera apo ton egklhmatia, shmainei oti den yparxoyn kai oles ekeines oi leitoyrgies, oi opoies qa antimetwpisoyn thn proqesh toy kai thn egklhmatikh toy prajh. Alla einai logos aytos na genikeyoyme kai na ejagoyme symperasmata peri anikanothtas ths Politeias na proaspisei thn asfaleia twn politwn; Kaqe allo. Pisteyw, me bash toys ariqmoys -na milhsoyme me sygkekrimena pleon stoixeia- oti h ellhnikh koinwnia brisketai se poly kalytero epipedo, se sxesh me tis koinwnies allwn dytikwn xwrwn, oson afora ayto to qema.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Mporeite na mas peite kyrie Ypoyrge, poioi htan oi logoi ekeinoi poy anagkasan ton Ypoyrgo Dhmosias Tajhs na pei stoys polites oti prepei na aytoprostateyontai; Kai qelw na parathrhsw oti ayto symbainei prwth fora.

REPPAS: Kaqe poliths exei meridio eyqynhs. H askhsh ths proswpikhs eyqynhs, kaqws eimaste polites mias koinwnias, den prepei na paraleipetai. Ayto anefere o Ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs. Kai o Ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs exei ena plhres programma gia thn antimetwpish aytwn twn egklhmatikwn fainomenwn kai qewrhse skopimo, metajy olwn twn allwn, na milhsei gia thn eyqynh poy exei kaqe poliths pia, kaqws entassetai s' aytes tis koinwnikes leitoyrgies, na pairnei kai ekeinos sygkekrimena metra. Ayto panta ginetai. Kai nomizw oti kaqoloy den meiwnei thn prospaqeia poy kanei to Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs, h ELAS, gia thn antimetwpish aytwn twn fainomenwn. Einai -qa elega- ena symplhrwmatiko stoixeio h proswpikh eyqynh toy kaqena. Alla ayto den shmainei oti apoidiopoioymeqa twn ypoxrewsewn poy exoyme kai anaqetoyme stoys polites, ekeinoi kai monon ekeinoi na antimetwpizoyn ayta ta fainomena. Kati tetoio qa mas odhgoyse se mia koinwnia-zoygkla. M' ayth thn ennoia prepei na staqmisete tis apofaseis poy exoyme parei kai na ejetasete ta apotelesmata twn prospaqeiwn mas, ta opoia den einai amelhtea. Bebaiws, yparxoyn pantote periqwria beltiwshs. Kai ayto epidiwkoyme.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Mhpws einai omologia adynamias toy Ypoyrgeioy na prostateysei toys polites kai gi' ayto toys synista aytoprostasia;

REPPAS: Isa - isa.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Kai poios einai o logos poy kati tetoio to akoyme prwth fora apo ton kaq' ylhn armodio Ypoyrgo gia qemata asfaleias;

REPPAS: Nomizw oti einai mia genikh arxh oti h proswpikh eyqynh toy kaqena mas yparxei kai prepei na askeitai, den prepei na paraleipetai. Ayth h aytonohth arxh, otan epanalambanetai, den prepei na projenei entypwsh. Poly perissotero otan syndyazetai me seira prwtoboyliwn kai metrwn poy exei labei h Kybernhsh, ta opoia qa elega den exoyn isws kai prohgoymeno. Proxwroyme sthn idrysh neoy Swmatos Synoriakhs Froyras, katartizoyme plhres qesmiko plaisio, prokeimenoy na omalopoihqei h agora ergasias kai etsi emmesws na apokomisoyme kai ofelh sthn antimetwpish twn fainomenwn egklhmatikothtas. Ola ayta einai stoixeia ta opoia bebaiws exoyn to baros toys, to opoio den prepei na agnoei kaneis.

SOYRMELH: Otan anaferqhkate sthn apofash sto Palaio Keramidi tonisate oti den htan toso sobares oi energeies wste na dikaiologoyntai tetoies prajeis. An htan sobaroteres, qa dikaiologoyntan oi prajeis aytes; Kai deyteron otan o k. Rwmaios milaei gia aytoprostasia ti ennoei; Eipate bebaia oti prokyptei proswpikh eyqynh. Ti dhladh; Na paroyn to tsekoyri, na mantalwsoyn ta paraqyra toys;

REPPAS: Tipota apo ola ayta. Apanthsa gia to prwto qema kai eipa poly perissotero den yparxei opoiodhpote stoixeio apo to opoio na tekmairetai oti dikaiologeitai h yperbolikh anhsyxia thn opoia ekdhlwnoyn kapoioi sto Palaio Keramidi. Oson afora thn perifhmh "aytoprostasia", apo tote poy exete katalabei ton eayto sas, gnwrizete ki eseis ki egw oti stoixeiwdws prostateyoyme ton eayto mas. Ayto einai kati poy panta ginotan kai panta prepei na ginetai. Ayto den shmainei oti h Politeia den pairnei metra gia na antimetwpisei ayta ta fainomena.

G.KAMPOYRAKHS: Epeidh synexws akoyw na epikaleiste stoixeia oti eimaste poly katw, se sxesh me alles xwres, exete ypoch sas, kyrie Ypoyrge, oti yparxei ena megalo meros egklhmatikothtas poy den katagrafetai;

REPPAS: Ara, proteinete na katagrafetai kai ayto. Symfwnoyme apolyta.

G.KAMPOYRAKHS: Den katalabate. Yparxei ena megalo meros poy den kataggelletai, den katagrafetai kai symfwna me martyries katoikwn, kyriws ths eparxias....

REPPAS: Yparxoyn, asfalws, kapoia egklhmata poy den kataggellontai, gia polloys logoys. Ayto den ginetai mono sthn Ellada. Bebaiws, ayto exei na kanei me to epipedo xeirafethshs h to epipedo agwghs, an qelete, poy yparxei se mia koinwnia. Yparxoyn kapoia egklhmata -kai se jenes xwres parathreitai to fainomeno ayto- ta opoia den kataggellontai gia logoys timhs, gia logoys eyaisqhsias, gia logoys foboy. Qa prepei, einai qema kalliergeias pleon, otan yparxei paranomh prajh, otan entopizetai, panta na kataggelletai, prokeimenoy na akoloyqoyntai oi deoyses diadikasies, wste na ejaleifqoyn ayta ta fainomena. Koinws na mhn ta "koykoylwnoyme", alla na ta antimetwpizoyme sth riza toys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Exete diapistwsei skopimothta sta MME kai stoys katoikoys poy antidroyn s' ayto to fainomeno;

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, sta MME syxna mporei na pei kapoios, oti ekdhlwnontai fainomena, ta opoia stoxeyoyn sthn epiteyjh ychlhs akroamatikothtas h thleqeashs. Otan miloyme idiaitera gia ta hlektronika Mesa Enhmerwshs, gia ta "qerma" Mesa Enhmerwshs, twn opoiwn h dieisdytikothta einai para poly megalh, se sxesh me ta entypa Mesa. Ayto einai ena fainomeno, to opoio mporei na to parathrhsei kaneis para polles fores kai se polloys tomeis. Gnwrizete poly kala oti h deontologia gia thn opoia kai h Enwsh sas exei, kat' epanalhch, milhsei, alla kai oi kwdikes toys opoioys emeis exoyme katartisei, problepoyn, den threitai pantote. Ayto den einai kati kainoyrgio. Moy kanei entypwsh poy to agnoeite. Apo kei kai pera den einai dynaton ena qema to opoio apasxolei thn Kybernhsh kai malista to antimetwpizei me systhmatiko kai episthmoniko tropo, na afhnetai sth diaqesh kai sthn prwtoboylia kapoiwn topikwn paragontwn, poy, bebaiws, exoyn kai toys dikoys toys logoys na analambanoyn prwtoboylies, prokeimenoy na aytoanadeiknyontai se prwtagwnistes kai hrwes se mia perioxh h kai sto eqniko proskhnio. Ayto einai kati poy parakalw na to labete poly sobara ypoch sas, giati oyai ki alimono an tetoies proswpikes epidiwjeis dromologhsoyn genikoteres ejelijeis gia toso shmantika qemata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Otan den toys prostateyei h Politeia, ti qa kanoyn;

REPPAS: H Politeia toys prostateyei oloys, kai ekei, toylaxiston, h prostasia yparxei se ena tetoio baqmo, wste kaqe allo para na dikaiologeitai ayth h antidrash.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Oi HPA sthn oysia aperrican thn protash Pagkaloy gia to qema twn eggyhsewn kai miloyn twra gia diarkes moratorioym panw apo thn Kypro. O Ntenktas zhta apo ton Korntobez na onomazetai epanastathmenh perioxh. Agkyra kai Ntenktas anakoinwsan Symboylio Syndeshs kai h Toyrkia kanei twra logo gia dyo krath sthn Kypro. Qa hqela na dwsete apanthseis se ayta ta basanistika erwthmata.

REPPAS: Oi qeseis aytes ths Toyrkias, oson afora ta qemata poy qesate, den diatypwnontai gia prwth fora. Ayth einai h politikh ths Toyrkias, thn opoia exei apodokimasei h Dieqnhs Koinothta. O k. Ntenktas alla kai h Agkyra zhtoyn apo ton OHE na dhmioyrghqei ena neo plaisio ws bash gia tis diakoinotikes synomilies. Ayto den ginetai dekto. Kai gnwrizete oti h epidiwjh epilyshs toy Kypriakoy prepei na ginetai -to anagnwrizei o OHE- sth bash twn chfismatwn toy Organismoy kai twn Symfwniwn Koryfhs 1977 kai 1979. Ayth einai h kalyterh apanthsh stoys isxyrismoys h tis epidiwjeis toy Ntenktas kai ths Agkyras. Oson afora twra tis syzhthseis poy eixe o k. Pagkalos stis HPA, ena prepei na einai safes: Exw pei kat' epanalhch oti efoson yparjei shmantikh proodos sto qema ths apostratikopoihshs sthn Kypro mporei na syzhthqei ypo ayto to neo prisma to qema ths egkatastashs twn S-300 sth Megalonhso. Alla, h protash ayth, h opoia entassetai sto programma apostratikopoihshs -protash gia thn apagoreysh twn yperpthsewn panw apo thn Kypro- den ginetai dekth doqentos oti oydeis, oi HPA en prokeimenw dexetai na symbalei, wste na yparjei mia sxetikh apofash toy OHE. Kai oi HPA ws mia megalh dynamh, mesw toy NATO, na eggyhqei thn efarmogh ayths ths apofashs poy mporei na prokycei apo ton OHE. Ara, den yparxei kamia ejelijh sthn kateyqynsh ths apostratikopoihshs, afoy den ginetai dekth ayth h idea, ayth h protash, den syzhteitai peraiterw. Paramenei h protash gia ena moratorioym to opoio kata thn apoch mas den apotelei ena bhma s' ayth thn kateyqynsh ths apostratikopoihshs, gi ayto akribws den qewroyme oti prokyptei kapoio neo dedomeno. To opoio neo dedomeno na odhgei kai se allagh ths stashs ths Kypriakhs Kybernhshs, oson afora thn egkatastash twn pyraylwn sthn Kypro.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Pantws oi synomilies metajy twn dyo pleyrwn odhgoyntai se plhrh adiejodo, meta apo ayta;

REPPAS: Me eyqynh toy k. Ntenktas, o opoios qa prepei na analabei to diplwmatiko, to politiko kostos gi ayth th stash toy.

KAKABAS: Yparxei diastash apocewn metajy toy k. Pagkaloy kai Kranidiwth gia toys S-300, opws grafetai shmera se mia efhmerida, kyrie Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: Den yparxei kamia diastash apocewn. O k. Pagkalos kai Kranidiwths epanelaban thn idia qesh gia thn anagkh na prowqhqei h apostratikopoihsh, prokeimenoy na ejetastei h anabolh h h akyrwsh ths egkatastashs twn S-300 sthn Kypro. To qema ayto to xeirizetai h Kypriakh Kybernhsh, opws exoyme pei kat' epanalhch. Emeis eimaste apolyta eyqygrammismenoi me tis epiloges ths Kypriakhs Kybernhshs. Bebaiws, to Kypriako einai meizon qema gia th xwra mas. Kai sto plaisio ths ejwterikhs politikhs mas exoyme ki emeis tis dikes mas dynatothtes na proballoyme kai na prowqoyme tis qeseis ths Kypriakhs Kybernhshs kai tis dikes mas gia thn antimetwpish toy qematos. Ayto ekane kai o k. Pagkalos. Yparxei apolyth eyqygrammish.

POYLIDOY: Pagiws, h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh ejefraze th qesh oti den symmetexei stis prwtoboylies poy anaptyssontai gia thn antimetwpish entasewn, poy anaptyssontai sthn perioxh. Pote allaje ayth h qesh kai proteinoyme th sygkrothsh Balkanikhs Polyeqnikhs Dynamhs;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti peri ta mesa Febroyarioy, o Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas esteile sxetikh epistolh stoys omologoys, sthn opoia aneptysse ayth thn idea, gia th dhmioyrgia mias eyelikths polyeqnikhs stratiwtikhs dynamhs. Opws, epishs, gnwrizete stratiwtika apospasmata exoyn labei meros sthn antimetwpish ths krishs sth Bosnia kai sthn Albania. Gnwrizete, loipon, poia einai h politikh mas s' ayto to qema. Tipota den exei allajei. Epiqymoyme th staqerothta kai thn eirhnh sthn perioxh. Prwtagwnistoyme stis prospaqeies poy ginontai gia na epityxoyme aytoys toys stoxoys. Kai to idio qa synexisoyme na kanoyme kai sto mellon.

POYLIDOY: Dieqneis dynameis, oxi se Balkanikes, kyrie Ekproswpe...

REPPAS: Milhsa gia polyeqnikes dynameis.

POYLIDOY: Mexri twra h logikh ths Kybernhshs htan oti h Ellada den mporei na meros toy balkanikoy problhmatos. Twra, jafnika, pws proteinoyme thn emplokh mas sto balkaniko problhma;

REPPAS: Den proteinoyme kamia emplokh. Apla epiqymoyme na symballoyme qetika, ajiopoiwntas ta pleonekthmata kai tis dynatothtes poy exoyme, ws xwra toy NATO kai ths E.E. sth N.A. Eyrwph, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistei h krish, sthn eyryterh perioxh. Kai, bebaiws, h polyeqnikh ayth dynamh mporei na symperilabei kai alles dynameis. Einai kati to opoio exei diatypwqei ws idea xwris -epanalambanw- na apokleioyme opoiadhpote allh idea poy qa employtisei ayth th basikh protash mas. Me ayth thn ennoia, loipon, den exei allajei tipote sth politikh mas. Epiqymoyme s' ayth thn eyelikth polyeqnikh dynamh na laboyn meros oso ginetai perissoteroi. Den exoyme mia kleisth protash. Diatypwsame mia idea, h opoia mporei na karpoforhsei an oloi deijoyn kalh diaqesh kai pisth, efoson bebaia epiqymoyn na yparxei staqerothta kai hremia sth perioxh.

Eyxaristw poly.

* Meta to telos ths ayrianhs synedriashs toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy o Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Oikonomias Giannos Papantwnioy kai o Ypoyrgos Typoy & M.M.E Dhmhtrhs Reppas qa proboyn se dhlwseis sth Boylh.

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