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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS 30/01/1996

KOINH SYNENTEYJH TYPOY TWN YPOYRGWN EQNIKHS AMYNAS k. GERASIMOY ARSENH KAI EJWTERIKWN k. QEODWROY PAGKALOY PROS TOYS POLITIKOYS, DIPLWMATIKOYS KAI STRATIWTIKOYS SYNTAKTES KAQWS KAI PROS TOYS ANTAPOKRITES JENOY TYPOY STO YPOYRGEIO TYPOY PAROYSIA TOY YPOYRGOY TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS k. DHMHTRH REPPA

REPPAS: Geia sas! Opws gnwrizete, prin apo ligo, oloklhrwqhke h syskech poy egine sto Politiko Grafeio sth Boylh ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai sthn opoia symmeteixan oi Ypoyrgoi kyrioi Tsoxatzopoylos, Arsenhs, Pagkalos, Papantwnioy, o omilwn kai o Arxhgos GEEQA Nayarxos Lymperhs.

H syskech ayth asxolhqhke me to gnwsto qema poy exei prokycei metajy Elladas kai Toyrkias, gia to opoio eyqys amesws qa exete enhmerwsh apo toys kyrioys Ypoyrgoys. Kai amesws meta qa exoyme th dynatothta me dyo - treis erwthseis ston kaqena, na oloklhrwsoy- me th syzhthsh mas.

Parakalw kai gia logoys politikoys logw ths idiaiterhs sobarothtas toy qematos, alla kai gia logoys praktikoys logw toy synwstismoy poy yparxei se ayto to xwro, na yparjei mia tajh wste me ton kalytero tropo na diejaxqei h syzhthsh mas.

O Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas k. Gerasimos Arsenhs exei to logo.

ARSENHS: Opws jerete, h katastash poy exei dhmioyrghqei, xreiazetai leptoys xeirismoys, cyxraimia kai ypeyqynothta. Kai qa zhthsoyme kai apo sas na bohqhsete sto ergo, sthn prospaqeia apoklimakwshs ayths ths krishs.

Shmera h katastash exei ws ejhs: Gyrw apo th braxonhsida Imia yparxei ayjhmenh paroysia toy polemikoy stoloy ths Toyrkias. Yparxei fysika kai analogh paroysia apo th dikh mas th meria.

Shmera ploio toy toyrkikoy stoloy parabiase ta xwrika mas ydata. Eidopoihqhke na apomakrynqei, den exei apomakrynqei mexri stigmhs. Epishs elikoptero toy Polemikoy Naytikoy ths Toyrkias parabiase ton enaerio xwro mas kai ekane mia pthsh panw apo th braxonhsida. Ayth th stigmh den yparxei stoixeio idiaiterhs kinhtopoihshs, pera apo tis dynameis poy exoyn emfanisqei shmera to prwi.

Oi toyrkikes dynameis apoteloyntai apo mia fregata typoy MEKO, dyo pyraylakatoys, dyo peripolika. Yparxei kai mia allh fregata se megalh sxetika apostash.

H dikh mas paroysia einai analogh kai kapws pio entonh.

Emeis den klimakwnoyme s' ayth thn krish, den ayjanoyme thn paroysia mas sthn perioxh, para monon otan ayjanetai kai h polemikh paroysia apo thn allh meria.

H braxonhsida Imia einai ellhnikh. Kai opws qa sas ejhghsei kai o Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, yparxei kai istoriko gi' ayto.

Einai kaqhkon twn Enoplwn Dynamewn ths Elladas na yperaspisoyn to edafos ths patridas, ta xwrika ydata kai ton enaerio xwro, otan yparxei apeilh. Yparxei plhrhs etoimothta apo th dikh mas th meria kai eimaste etoimoi na antimetwpisoyme opoiadhpote apeilh. Den epiqymoyme thn klimakwsh ths krishs. Ean h allh meria einai eilikrinhs kai epiqymei thn apoklimakwsh ths krishs, ayto poy exei na kanei einai na apomakrynei tis dynameis ths apo thn perioxh, apo ta xwrika mas ydata, apo ton enaerio xwro. H apoklimakwsh ayth qa epiferei mia diaforetikh katastash sthn olh perioxh.

Twra oson afora th braxonhsida: h braxonhsida ayth froyreitai apo dynameis eswterikhs asfaleias, akribws dioti eixame to symban edw kai dyo meres, opoy dyo "dhmosiografoi" me egnwsmeno parelqon se eqnikistikes kinhseis eis baros ths Ellados, phgan paranoma sto nhsi kai ypesteilan thn ellhnikh shmaia.

Kai elpizw ayto to mhnyma na exei perasei kai sthn allh meria, sth meria ths Toyrkias.

Emeis den epiqymoyme thn entash. Epiqymoyme synqhkes kalhs geitonias. Kai elpizw na apomakrynqoyn oi dynameis toy Polemikoy Naytikoy apo thn perioxh kai h katastash na epanelqei se mia omalothta.

Ayta exw na sas pw.

REPPAS: Parakalw ton k. Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn na labei to logo.

PAGKALOS: Kyries kai kyrioi, opws einai safes twra, meta tis xqesinobradynes dhlwseis ths Prwqypoyrgoy ths Toyrkias kas Tsiler kai toy Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn k. Mpaykal kai tis epixeirhsiakes kinhseis poy sas periegrace o Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynhs, h Toyrkia epidiwkei mesa apo ayto to epeisodio na ypoxrewsei thn Ellada se mia diapragmateysh gyrw apo ta kyriarxika mas dikaiwmata sto Aigaio, enw taytoxrona arneitai Symfwnies kai Synqhkes poy isxysan xwris kammia amfisbhthsh mexri twra, xwris h idia h Toyrkia pote na tis exei amfisbhthsei. Symfwnies kai Synqhkes mesa sta plaisia twn opoiwn ezhsan oi ntopioi plhqysmoi kai dienerghqhkan apo kratika organa kai apo idiwtes plhqos prajewn, apeiro plhqos prajewn kyriarxias.

Otan synebh to epeisodio ths 25hs Dekembrioy, para thn enoxlhsh poy yposthkame tote apo tis toyrkikes arxes, prospaqhsame na mhn klimakwsoyme to qema, dioti den epiqymoyme thn entash kai th dhmioyrgia prosqetwn problhmatwn stis sxeseis twn dyo xwrwn. Ayto kaq'eayto to epeisodio memonwmeno, den eixe megalh shmasia. Kai epimenw ep' aytoy, par' olo oti prosfata ayth h frash moy eqewrhqh kalo na ginei antikeimeno epiqeshs apo to komma ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs. Kai etsi eprepe na antimetwpisqei apo thn Ellada.

Eixa, omws, diatypwsei kai stis dyo prwtes synenteyjeis moy - polloi apo sas eisaste parontes sto Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn - thn apoch oti yparxei h ypocia kai o kindynos opws exei symbei kai me alla tetoia qemata sto parelqon, na einai aplws h prwth ekdhlwsh enos synolikoy sxedioy. Fainetai oti prokeitai gi' ayth th deyterh anhsyxhtikh kai dysaresth ekdoxh.

Opws eipe kai o Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynhs, h Ellada einai bebaih gia to dikio ths. Sthrizetai opws panta sto Dieqnes Dikaio kai stis Synqhkes. Kai qa kanei o,ti mporei, me ola ta mesa poy diaqetei, gia na mhn epitrecei prajeis kyriarxias se edafh poy ths anhkoyn.

Den epiqymoyme thn entash. H apoklimakwsh einai eyxerhs. H entash exei proklhqei apo thn paroysia twn stratiwtikwn monadwn ths Toyrkias. Me thn apomakrynsh toys, to klima qa beltiwqei kai to gegonos qa parei tis pragmatikes diastaseis toy.

Se o,ti afora ta epixeirhmata twn Toyrkwn, einai pragmatika tetoia poy den antexoyn se kammia sobarh kritikh.

Oi Toyrkoi isxyrizontai oti to Prwtokollo toy 1932 (metajy Italias kai Toyrkias, otan metabibasthke h kyriarxia twn Dwdekanhswn apo thn Toyrkia sthn Italia) poy problepei rhta kai perigrafei oti to qalassio synoro metajy twn dyo xwrwn einai sto meson ths apostashs metajy ths nhsidas KATO poy anhkei sthn Toyrkia kai ths nhsidas IMIA (poy perihlqe sthn Italia) den isxyei, dioti - opws legoyn - den kateteqh, den eprwtokollhqh pote ston Organismo ths Koinwnias twn Eqnwn, opoy eixe katateqei h kyria Symfwnia. Prokeitai gia ena anajio diaceysews kai geloio epixeirhma.

To Katastatiko ths Koinwnias twn Eqnwn orizei rhta oti h prwtokollhsh afora mono tis kyries Symfwnies kai oti prosqeta Prwtokolla, texnika keimena, xartes k.lp., den prwtokolloyntai.

Exw edw kai to sxetiko arqro toy Organismoy ths Koinwnias twn Eqnwn, einai to arqro 18 toy Katastatikoy ths, poy problepei ayto akribws poy sas lew. Den einai dynaton oi Toyrkoi na mhn gnwrizoyn poia einai h nomoqesia ths Koinwnias twn Eqnwn, oyte poia htan h praktikh tote gia oles tis Symfwnies poy exoyn prwtokollhqei.

O deyteros isxyrismos oti dhladh oi Symfwnies eginan mesa sto politiko klima ths epoxhs prin apo ton polemo (ton B' Pagkosmio Polemo) kai oti h Toyrkia den symmeteixe sth Symfwnia twn Parisiwn toy 1947 (dynamei ths opoias metebibasqh h kyriarxia twn Dwdekanhswn apo thn Italia sthn Ellada) einai akomh pio katafronhteos. Dioti allimono an oi xwres dieqnws anagnwrizan mono tis Symfwnies stis opoies symmetexoyn kai malista an mporoysan ek twn ysterwn na amfisbhtoyn oles tis Symfwnies stis opoies den symmeteixan h den edwsan th gnwmh toys. S' aytes tis Symfwnies, h Toyrkia den exei ekfrasei apoch, dioti den dienohqh na to kanei, opws den dienohqh na to kanei epi seira etwn dioti oydemia ajiwsh exei egeirei epi twn nhsidwn aytwn kai epishs giati o plhqysmos ayths ths perioxhs zoyse safws - kai oi Toyrkoi kai oi Ellhnes - me empedwmenh th syneidhsh oti h nhsida Imia einai tmhma toy ellhnikoy edafoys.

Alla an xreiasqoyn kai epixeirhmata alla - einai monon h arxh kai qa symboyleya to Toyrkiko Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn na mhn proxwrhsei peraiterw sto dromo ths geloiopoihshs me tetoioy eidoys nomikistika epixeirhmata - exw edw (kai sas exw kanei kai merikes fwtotypies, gia na tis xrhsimopoihsete h na tis anaparagete meta) ayto to entypo toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn ths Toyrkias, poy exei ekdoqei sthn Agkyra ton Ianoyario toy 1954. Einai h ethsia ekqesh gia thn kinhsh twn ploiwn sta stena ths Toyrkias. Ekei yparxei kai epixeirhmatologia kai yparxei kai xarths (o k. Ypoyrgos deixnei to xarth stoys dhmosiografoys) opoy bebaiws den yparxei h nhsida Imia, alla opoy edw akribws opoy einai h Kalymnos (o k. Ypoyrgos deixnei stoys dhmosiografoys to shmeio) h synoriakh grammh einai akoma kontytera sthn akth ths Toyrkias, ap' o,ti synhqws stoys dikoys mas xartes. Akoloyqoyn akribws th grammh poy emeis dexomaste tosa xronia oti yparxei kai oi Toyrkoi epishs, xwris na thn amfisbhthsoyn. Oi idioi, loipon, oi Toyrkoi se diko toys xarth, opoy ola ta topwnymia einai toyrkika, exoyn xarajei th synoriakh grammh symfwna me to Dieqnes Dikaio, opws emeis isxyrizomaste shmera oti isxyei.

Kai bebaiws sas eipa oti einai to prwto keimeno poy emfanizoyme, exoyme mia seira allwn keimenwn. Kai qa symboyleyame thn Toyrkia na sobareyqei, na afhsei ayta ta epixeirhmata, na stamathsei th diekdikhsh toy edafikoy mas xwroy kai thn apeilh twn kyriarxikwn mas dikaiwmatwn kai na symbalei mazi mas sthn eirhneysh ths perioxhs gia thn apotroph lyphrwn gegonotwn.

Exoyme proqesh na enisxysoyme me kaqe tropo oles tis prospaqeies gia thn eirhnikh diabiwsh olwn twn Balkanikwn lawn. Den qeloyme thn entash. Alla den qa ypoxwrhsoyme oyte ena bhma sta dikaiwmata poy qewroyme oti mas anhkoyn, qewroyme oti anhkoyn ston ellhniko lao.

Sas eyxaristw.

REPPAS: Parakalw, qa hqela na ypoblhqoyn dyo - treis erwthseis se kaqe Ypoyrgo se hremo tono kai me tajh, wste h syzhthsh mas na einai oysiastikh.

MELETHS: H erwthsh apeyqynetai kai stoys dyo Ypoyrgoys. An yparjei apoklimakwsh ths entashs kai h Toyrkia pragmati aposyrei tis stratiwtikes dynameis, poso anhsyxhtiko einai gia thn Kybernhsh, to oti to STATE DEPARTMENT xqes espeyse na qesei peripoy se ish moira Ellada kai Toyrkia kai na yioqethsei th qesh gia epilysh toy qematos mesw diapragmateysewn;

ARSENHS: To zhtoymeno einai h apoklimakwsh. H eyqynh einai sth meria ths Toyrkias. Den yparxei zhthma dialogoy se qemata poy aforoyn kyriarxika mas dikaiwmata kai ellhniko edafos.

MOYRTZHS: O Andreas Papandreoy, se anypopto xrono, eixe kanei mia profhtikh dhlwsh, stis 10 Septembrioy toy 1995. Eixe kathgorhsei Amerikanoys kai Eyrwpaioys oti mas sprwxnoyn sto trapezi twn diapragmateysewn gia na syzhthsoyme "paketo" to Aigaio. Ektimate oti ton epibebaiwnoyn ta gegonota kai ti ypoch toy eixe o k. Papandreoy, dedomenoy oti o k. Pagkalos shmera milhse gia ekdhlwsh synolikoy sxedioy;

PAGKALOS: Se o,ti afora toys Amerikanoys kai toys Eyrwpaioys me rwtate, giati ta alla ta eipate monos sas. Den mporw na ta diaceysw. Oi Amerikanoi, pragmati, exoyn th qesh poy kai o synadelfos sas periegrace, sto erwthma poy apanthse o k. Arsenhs.

Se o,ti afora toys Eyrwpaioys synadelfoys moy, toys opoioys enhmerwsa xqes, se kat'idian syzhthseis kai synolika toys enhmerwse to Ypoyrgeio kai proxqes kai shmera, gia deyterh fora, kalwntas oloys toys presbeis sto Ypoyrgeio, den exw diapistwsei oti yparxei katanohsh kai anoxh toy klimatos sthn Eyrwph gia tis toyrkikes energeies kai prwtoboylies.

Antiqeta, nomizw oti ta pragmata qa dyskolecoyn poly gia thn Toyrkia sthn Eyrwph kai bebaiws mporoyn na ypologizoyn se drastikh allagh ths ellhnikhs symperiforas se o,ti afora tis sxeseis toys me thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh.

Opws gnwrizete, prosfata, kaname mia shmantikh xeironomia pros thn pleyra ths Toyrkias gia na dieykolynoyme, lambanomenwn ypoch kai twn eswterikwn ejelijewn kai katastasewn poy yparxoyn sthn Toyrkia, thn poreia ths pros thn eyrwpaikh enopoihsh.

Diapistwnoyme twra oti antimetwpizoyme mia katastash poy den mas epitrepei na exoyme elpides gia to mellon twn sxesewn ths Toyrkias me thn Eyrwph. Den mporoyn na sthrixqoyn sth bia kai thn apeilh bias.

LIAROS: Antimetwpizete twra, kyrie Ypoyrge twn Ejwterikwn, na askhqei twra to kyriarxiko dikaiwma epektashs twn xwrikwn ydatwn mas sta 12 milia;

PAGKALOS: To epeisodio poy antimetwpizoyme, den exei kammia apolytws sxesh me to kyriarxiko dikaiwma ths Elladas na epekteinei thn aigialitida zwnh ths sta 12 milia. Dikaiwma poy diathroyme kai qa askhsoyme, opws exoyme pagiws dhlwsei, otan krinoyme oti einai skopimo, gia ton aplo logo oti sthn perioxh ayth den yparxoyn 12 milia. H aigialitis zwnh twn 6 miliwn synantatai se olh thn ektash me ekeinh ths Toyrkias. Ara, den einai me kanena tropo, kati poy syndeetai me ayto to qema.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mia erwthsh gia ton Ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Amynas: Kyrie Ypoyrge, alhqeyei h plhroforia oti o stolos mas etoimazetai na katapleysei sta Dwdekanhsa;

ARSENHS: Kai to Polemiko Naytiko kai h Aeroporia kai o Stratos Jhras briskontai se ychlo epipedo etoimothtas. Kai pragmati, ena tmhma toy Polemikoy Naytikoy exei apopleysei apo to naystaqmo.

ELENOPOYLOS: Apo thn Ellhnikh Kybernhsh, kyrie Pagkale, zhthqhke diamesolabhsh tritwn paragontwn gia to sygkekrimeno qema;

PAGKALOS: Oxi, den exei zhthqei diamesolabhsh apo kanenan. Alla enhmerwsame toys Dieqneis Organismoys poy mporei na exoyn apoch, opws einai h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh (dhladh thn Proedria kai thn Epitroph), enhmerwsame ton Organismo Hnwmenwn Eqnwn kai to NATO. Kai enhmerwsame tis megales xwres, tis HPA kai th Rwsia, kaqws kai tis xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Qa proxwrhsoyme se mia enhmerwsh kai twn ypoloipwn balkanikwn xwrwn, amesws molis epistrecw sto Ypoyrgeio.

ADAM: H erwthsh apeyqynetai pros toys dyo Ypoyrgoys. Qa hqela an mporeite na ajiologhsete poiotika thn krish aytoy toy gegonotos se sxesh me thn krish toy Martioy 1987.

Ean, dhladh, einai omoia poiotika h o baqmos ths krishs htan megalyteros tote h twra. Ean h apanthsh sas einai katafatikh, oti ayto einai to pleon epikindyno gegonos, exete antimetwpi- sei apo twra to endexomeno na yparjei mprosta mas to fainomeno enos neoy Ntabos;

ARSENHS: Oi dyo kriseis den einai sygkrisimes apo polles pleyres. Elpizoyme oti ayth h krish qa mporesei na apoklimakwqei. Den yparxei periqwrio dialogoy gia to qema poy exei prokycei. Den mporei na syzhthqei me th geitona xwra qema poy afora sta kyriarxika mas dikaiwmata. H braxonhsida Imia einai ellhnikh. O xwros, o qalassios, gyrw apo th braxonhsida einai ellhnikos. Den mporoyn na syzhthqoyn ayta ta qemata se ena dialogo.

PAGKALOS: Qelw na pw kati sxetika me ayto. H posotikh ektimhsh ths poiothtas enos gegonotos einai disepilyto maqhmatiko problhma, sxedon toso oso kai o tetragwnismos toy kykloy. Alla, se o,ti afora to Ntabos, exw tis ejhs parathrhseis:

Prwton, to "Ntabos" diejagetai shmera kai ayrio, epomenws, to epomeno qa einai se ena xrono.

To deytero einai oti oles oi symfwnies poy jekinhsan apo to Ntabos, den thrhqhkan apo thn toyrkikh pleyra. Akoma kai h stoixeiwdhs - poy oloi nomisame, emoy perilambanomenoy - symfwnia gia thn katarghsh toy ratsistikoy kai xitlerikoy nomoy ths Toyrkias poy apagoreye thn telesh eqnikwn dikaioprajiwn stoys Ellhnes polites, stoys polites ellhnikhs katagwghs, enw katarghqhke typika, efarmozotan sthn prajh apo ta dikasthria, me bash mystikes odhgies toy Ypoyrgeioy Eqnikhs Amynhs kai toy Ypoyrgeioy Asfaleias. Kai ayto giati h Toyrkia den exei ola ta xarakthristika enos Kratoys Dikaioy.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, yphrje shmera synanthsh toy Ellhna presbh sthn Agkyra me thn toyrkikh hgesia;

PAGKALOS: O Presbhs k. Nezeriths eide ton Yfypoyrgo k. Oimen.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kai ti mas apanthsan;

PAGKALOS: Mas apanthsan tis gnwstes toys qeseis.

MEGGRELHS: Hqela na rwthsw ean olo ayto to epeisodio to syndyazete me thn epikeimenh episkech Xolmproyk. Ayto einai to prwto skelos ths erwthshs moy. Kai to deytero einai: pote arxise h kinhtopoihsh sta dyo Ypoyrgeia, Eqnikhs Amynas kai Ejwterikwn;

PAGKALOS: H shmerinh kinhtopoihsh, ennoeite;

MEGGRELHS: Nai.

PAGKALOS: Stis 4.30 to prwi. (Pros ton k. Arsenh): Etsi den einai;

ARSENHS: Nai, stis 4.30 p.m.

MEGGRELHS: Kai gia ton k. Xolmproyk;

ARSENHS: Den mporoyme na kanoyme sysxetismoys. Gnwrizoyme tis proqeseis orismenwn kyklwn na prowqhsoyn enan ellhnotoyrkiko dialogo. Einai gnwstes kai oi qeseis ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs.

PAGKALOS: Mporw na sas pw ti symbainei me ton k. Xolmproyk, gia na mhn anaptyjete to qema.

O k. Xolmproyk, kata pasa piqanothta, egkataleipei th diplwmatikh yphresia sto telos toy mhnos. Exei ekfrasei thn epiqymia toy na episkefqei tis treis prwteyoyses gia na mas perigracei tis idees toy gyrw apo to Kypriako zhthma, oxi synolika gia tis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis. Exei kapoy pei oti akomh kai an mexri tote den yparjei Kybernhsh sthn Toyrkia, endexomenws mporei na episkefqei mono thn Aqhna kai th Leykwsia gia na apoxairethsei toys filoys toy. Ayto einai to synolo twn plhroforiwn poy diaqetoyme peri toy k. Xolmproyk.

Kaqws epishs, kai oti qa proslhfqei se mia poly megalh qesh kai me poly megalo misqo!

ARSENHS - PAGKALOS: Kyries kai kyrioi, sas eyxaristoyme gia thn prosoxh sas.

REPPAS: Eyxaristoyme poly. Qa eimaste ayrio, pali, mazi.